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Radovan Karadzic defends "just and holy" war against Muslims
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Posted on 03/01/2010 6:17:15 AM PST by IntolerantOfTreason

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I'm now fairly interested in what this guy has to say. I can see that America may go down this path sooner rather than later.
1 posted on 03/01/2010 6:17:15 AM PST by IntolerantOfTreason
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

I too will be listening to see what his defense happens to be. I participated in the air war over Bosnia and watched the smoke plumes rise from numerous villages where the ‘ethnic cleansing’ was happening. I support his efforts to rid his country of Moslem influence, if true, but genocide is indefensible.


2 posted on 03/01/2010 6:25:08 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

The only genocide is the one planned by the Koran.


3 posted on 03/01/2010 6:29:57 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

This may sound a little harsh but I think he was on the right track. In other places Muzzies are burning Churches and hacking up Christians and nobody says a word.


4 posted on 03/01/2010 6:31:09 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: rjsimmon
I support his efforts to rid his country of Moslem influence, if true, but genocide is indefensible.

It's one thing to want to keep muslims from attaining power and influence; it's another to intentionally commit genocide against anyone standing in their way. Karadzic and that red-faced psycho Ratko Mladic were reprehensible bastards and both should be put to death in short order. They and their subordinates targeted and murdered a lot of innocent people.

5 posted on 03/01/2010 6:33:28 AM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: massgopguy

Agreed. The sooner we can purge liberalism from our government, the sooner we too can act on the growing threat of Islam within our borders. I bet Karadzic didn’t have a Demoncrat congress to undermine his country at every step like we do.


6 posted on 03/01/2010 6:35:55 AM PST by IntolerantOfTreason (The AMERICAN President should be an AMERICAN, NOT an AFRICAN-American)
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To: ScottinVA

Stop it! You’re making sense!


7 posted on 03/01/2010 6:36:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ScottinVA

10-4. It’s one thing to stand up against what amounted to an invasion. It’s another to kill innocents.


8 posted on 03/01/2010 6:36:32 AM PST by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: jdsteel
10-4. It’s one thing to stand up against what amounted to an invasion. It’s another to kill innocents.

Thanks. People forget the Bosnian Serbs targeted not only muslims but Croats as well. I read a lot of intel reports about Karadzic and Mladic -- they were nothing more than leaders of a murderous gang.

9 posted on 03/01/2010 6:39:01 AM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

To this day, I still do not understand the US/NATO war on Serbia.

The country was disintegrating regardless, If Europeans felt their security was hurt, they should have taken the lead, the Cold War was long over and Russia was a basket-case, and we set up safe-havens for radical Muslims.

What did Clinton gain to make him do this?


10 posted on 03/01/2010 6:41:01 AM PST by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded, my brains fell out.)
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

BTTT


11 posted on 03/01/2010 6:42:27 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: ScottinVA

>> It’s one thing to want to keep muslims from attaining power and influence; it’s another to intentionally commit genocide against anyone standing in their way

That doesn’t make sense.


12 posted on 03/01/2010 6:42:45 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: IntolerantOfTreason
Christan Serbs were the early warning system to what lay in store for the West in the war against Islamic Terror. But the West chose to align itself with Islamic Terror groups like the KLA and bomb the Serbs in what amounted to a combined 5th Crusade against Orthodox Christians.

The West was sent a thank you card postmarked 9/11,sent via air mail delivery, ironically from followers of the religion of "peace" it sought to appease.

I made these comements way back when the U.S. air war against Christians began, and I stand by them today.

13 posted on 03/01/2010 6:43:15 AM PST by gitmogrunt (History 101. Asia Minor:The 1st Genocide of the 20th Century courtesy of Turks and Germans.)
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To: ScottinVA

I agree with Bismarck, “The Balkans are not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian Grenadier.”


14 posted on 03/01/2010 6:45:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

He would have a fairly compelling and interesting argument is he had not tried to commit genocide. Rewriting history is not going to help his cause. It wasn’t that long ago where everyone has forgotten the atrocities he committed. I think he’s now using the war on terror and the current takeover by Muslims in Europe to try to gain some sympathy.


15 posted on 03/01/2010 6:46:13 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Gene Eric

I think liberals are a threat to this country, but I have no intention of hopping in an APC, driving it to the University of Wisconsin, burning it down, and displacing the students and faculty to Canada.


16 posted on 03/01/2010 6:46:45 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

I find it amusing how often “my” side falls for enemy propaganda...in a propaganda war.

So lets say Radovan did get a little crazy...in defense of his family, faith, and country. I bet he didn’t firebomb Dresden. I bet he didn’t nuke Nagasaki.

So the descendants of a people who JUSTLY killed enemy civilians think this guy was out of line because he MAYBE killed a (comparatively) few civilians. You think our bombers were picking targets or do you think carpet bombing was to shock the populace into compliance?

And you sit here on your computer, in the safety provided by our ancestors, who WERE willing to use the required measures...and you criticize this man for doing what he felt was necessary. lol. lol at all of you tools who criticize him. Go join your Mohammedan brothers. May you see a table cloth wrapped with a fan belt outside your window one day, screaming for your land and family. Make sure your response is appropriate. We wouldn’t want to judge you harshly.

And if anyone takes it this way, this isn’t a criticism of Dresden or Nagasaki. It is a defense of our actions there. We should have carpet bombed Islam into submission years ago, just like we steamrolled the Nazis and the Nips.


17 posted on 03/01/2010 6:52:33 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: 1rudeboy

The logic in the statement doesn’t make sense to me - specifically, the subject of the second clause:

“it’s another to intentionally commit genocide against anyone standing in their way”


18 posted on 03/01/2010 6:55:25 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Spike Knotts

You’re confused. I am not criticising this man’s actions. I think they may well have been justified, and once we get a real conservative in power we might do well to follow suit to deal with the Mudslime threat before it’s too late.


19 posted on 03/01/2010 6:55:55 AM PST by IntolerantOfTreason (The AMERICAN President should be an AMERICAN, NOT an AFRICAN-American)
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To: Gene Eric

What’s illogical about it?


20 posted on 03/01/2010 6:56:33 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Spike Knotts
"We should have carpet bombed Islam into submission years ago, just like we steamrolled the Nazis and the Nips."

We "steamrolled" the Nazis and Nips to end a war. What exactly would be the goal of carpet bombing Iran? To kill Amanutjob who probably has a nice safe deep bunker or to kill all the thousands of civilians who are trying to overthrow their illegitimate government?
22 posted on 03/01/2010 6:57:02 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

That wasn’t directed at you. As I said, it was directed at the people who are criticizing him and his actions.

In case you haven’t realized this yet, in case you’re confused...people who want to reply to the thread in general...the thread you posted...reply to you, as the poster. It may or may not be directed at you, however, replying to “1” is a custom here for those who are addressing the thread in general.


23 posted on 03/01/2010 6:59:14 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

For starters you’re misreading ‘Islam’ as ‘Iran’ in the post you’re replying to. Islam is a clear and present danger to the existence of America, and we should take off the kid gloves. No more Muslims within our borders.


24 posted on 03/01/2010 7:00:07 AM PST by IntolerantOfTreason (The AMERICAN President should be an AMERICAN, NOT an AFRICAN-American)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

So there is no war between Islam and the West? Iran isn’t a militant Islamic country looking for nukes...as we speak? Saudi Arabia doesn’t fund terrorism? Yemen doesn’t harbor them?

Good to know, will all the heads magically reattach themselves or are we going to have to sew them on manually?


25 posted on 03/01/2010 7:00:45 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: IntolerantOfTreason
"For starters you’re misreading ‘Islam’ as ‘Iran’ in the post you’re replying to."

I'm not misreading anything. Read Spike Knott's reply to me in post 25 below yours. He definitely links 'Islam' to all the Islamic countries to include Iran and he wrote the post I replied to.

What is a clear and present danger to America is Islamo Fascism. This uses the legitimate religion of Islam as a pretense for imposing their own unique form of fascism on it's followers and conquered. Not all majority Islamic nations have Sharia law. Iraq is shaping into a democracy. Something I believe a lot of just people in these countries want.
26 posted on 03/01/2010 7:07:12 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: 1rudeboy

I haven’t had any coffee yet. Help me out. Distinguish ‘anyone’ from ‘their’.


27 posted on 03/01/2010 7:07:28 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Reading this again, I just have to LOL again.

Using your logic, we shouldn’t have bombed Dresden or really any German city/occupied territory, because would we be trying to kill Hitler or the members of the Valkyrie plot/thousands of partisans...(insert hand wring here).


28 posted on 03/01/2010 7:08:03 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Gene Eric
"Anyone" refers to the Muslim population. "Their" refers to Karadzic, et al.
29 posted on 03/01/2010 7:09:52 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

If only we had had you, to distinguish the “good” Germans and the “good” Japs from the bad ones. Think of all the bombs we could have saved.

“He definitely links ‘Islam’ to all the Islamic countries to include Iran and he wrote the post I replied to.”

Can you believe I link Islam to all the Islamic countries? What possible connection could they share? No wonder you got your dander up. This is a brilliant point.

“Not all majority Islamic nations have Sharia law. Iraq is shaping into a democracy. Something I believe a lot of just people in these countries want.”

Let me tell you something a real smart man said once, buddy. People get the gov they deserve. If Persians wanted democracy, they’d have had democracy at some point in their 2500 years of existence. But nope, their history is 2500 years of dictators. Now you make nice with them.


30 posted on 03/01/2010 7:12:04 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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"Iran isn’t a militant Islamic country looking for nukes...as we speak?"

So because Iran's illegitimate government is looking for Nukes we need to carpet bomb the people. No matter that they are trying to overthrow said illegitimate government? The vast majority of the people in Germany and Japan acquiesced to being governed by their rulers. Big difference. Sure, there were people in Germany who were against the Nazis (no resistance movement in Japan during this time) but it was a pretty small group. Both governments in Germany and Japan were legitimate.
31 posted on 03/01/2010 7:12:16 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

I have always thought that Serbia deserved a break for its aid and sacrifices in WWII.
And I’ve always had a sneaking suspicion that they were right or at least fighting the right enemy.


32 posted on 03/01/2010 7:15:12 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: PGR88

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What did Clinton gain?

Given his track record of dirty dealings with foreign powers — my guess is he gained a nice fat deposit into one of his Swiss bank accounts.


33 posted on 03/01/2010 7:17:10 AM PST by Touch Not the Cat
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To: PGR88

Under Clinton, Albania went from a terrorist state where our ships were ordered not to enter their port to our new best friends.

If there is something to understand it’s clearly beyond my ken.


34 posted on 03/01/2010 7:18:29 AM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: Spike Knotts

We happened to install one of those dictators you mentioned. I happen to think that the Shah was overall good for the people but again not all countries have been given the opportunity to choose their form of government. Right now, the people of Iran are attempting to assert their will and you think it might be a good idea to bomb them into the stone age? We should be assisting them to overthrow their illegitimate government not give them a good reason to hate us.

You yourself continued to link Islam to all these countries in post 25. I merely asked you a question. If you are not linking Islam to all of these Islamic countries, then pray tell who are we supposed to be carpet bombing? You know, the ones you refer to as “Islam”?


35 posted on 03/01/2010 7:19:07 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Carley

Albania is a bit different than Kosovo.

Like most ex-Communist states, Albanians who suffered under Communism are actually grateful for the US.

One of the silver linings to the 40+ years of Communist rule in Albania, is that the regime pretty much destroyed Islam in Albania, where today it is pretty much a non-factor.

In Kosovo, it’s a bit different, because the Tito regime did not crack down nearly as hard on religion.

And so now, you have a situation where the Kosovars believe they should be the rulers of all of the Greater Albania.

Whereas, people in Albania, want nothing to do with this.


36 posted on 03/01/2010 7:24:43 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Actually, the problem is REAL Islam.
Those countries that are “moderate”
where there is no Sharia are the inauthentic
“light” version of Islam. The real deal
is the one that you can actually read about
in the Koran.The one that follows " Mohammed or the sword" (bomb)
37 posted on 03/01/2010 7:38:05 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: 1rudeboy

Thanks. That makes sense.


38 posted on 03/01/2010 7:38:25 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Gene Eric

“It’s one thing to want to keep muslims from attaining power and influence; it’s another to intentionally commit genocide against anyone standing in their way”

I meant... in the Serbs’ way. I didn’t sufficiently clarify my point.


39 posted on 03/01/2010 7:44:05 AM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

“What did Clinton gain?

Given his track record of dirty dealings with foreign powers — my guess is he gained a nice fat deposit into one of his Swiss bank accounts.”

And a fresh intern to be named later.


40 posted on 03/01/2010 7:45:48 AM PST by ScottinVA (Glad to see Demonic Unhinged (DU) highlights and attacks my FR comments!)
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To: ScottinVA

That’s cool. BTW, I agree.


41 posted on 03/01/2010 7:52:25 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Bainbridge
"Actually, the problem is REAL Islam."

I think we are saying the same thing. Though I call it Islamo Fascism. With that said, I am still not going to advocate that we start carpet bombing any of these countries.

And back on point with this thread, I don't think that the Serbs were right in attempting genocide in Srebrenica. One last thing, one of the peoples the Serbs were fighting against in the 90's were Croats, who are Catholic. Kind of kills this whole idea of fighting the Islamo Fascists before 9/11 idea.
42 posted on 03/01/2010 8:00:57 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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I can see that America may go down this path sooner rather than later.

There is something of an ominous ring to your statement. For the attitude of the average Joe out there would be to say "just watch anyone try". However any actions that directly would arouse a general call to action, are not usually taken by those who seek to destroy the Constitution.

It is usually by suborning the public with political correctness. Then when bad things happen, little is done. Witness the forays of absolute outrage at airports and within the educational system. Years ago, drastic action would have been taken on the spot. Persons playing games told to depart from whence they came.

Two Canadian lawyers attempted to bring action with regard to Nato bombing in Kosovo 1999. Without success. The website still stands. Titled "Louise Arbour. Unindicted War Criminal". Arbour is some sort of UN Human Rights Commissioner. 200,000 Serbs were expelled in the Balkans at one time within the last 15 years.

The scary thing is and before anyone laughs, the bold statements being made by those cretins in Britain and Europe, are of arrests. Yes, true these statements are shrugged aside. The fact is that American former leaders have cancelled trips to Europe, over these "puny threats". I believe in France and Spain, possibly the UK.

I have never approved of "taking the law into one's own hands". What would happen if the UN people got enough clout to infringe on the rights of an American citizen, in America?

I hope it does not come to that.

43 posted on 03/01/2010 8:10:30 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: gitmogrunt

Our government had to redefine “terrorist” so that we could support the formerly blacklisted KLA.


44 posted on 03/01/2010 8:58:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Spike Knotts

I like your post. The only real rule of war is to win - no matter what. The rest is just idle chatter.

The Serbs lost the war and have paid a steep price.


45 posted on 03/01/2010 10:34:13 AM PST by ohioman
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To: IntolerantOfTreason

There are only two truths about war that I know of, neither or which judge it right or wrong.

War is hell, and the victors write it’s history (mostly).

I also believe there can be things that are worse than war, and (no judgments here either) among them are living under dictators, surrendering a people’s identity, and surrendering to invasion.

The problem in the former Yugoslavia was that the position of “surrendering a people’s identity” was relative, to each of the major ethnic groups throughout the former Yugoslavia, with each - Croat, Serb and Kosovar seeking to carve a “pure” enclave out of the whole, and to encapsulate - territorially - all “their own”, where ever they were.

The Kosovar Albanians were no less hopefully domineering in their aims, for “their” area, but being the militarily “weaker” of the groups, they were given the international public relations role of “underdog”. For the Serbs, one can almost wish THEY had been the weaker force, because my own beliefs are that if that had been the case, that the Kosovar Albanian leaders would have been the ones now on trial in the Hague.

The problem - “a people’s identity” - did not evaporate in the Soviet Union or in the former Yugoslavia (by socialist re-engineering), and it will not go away in the states drawn from the former Yugoslavia, simply by force of the current international brokered results.


46 posted on 03/01/2010 2:23:40 PM PST by Wuli
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To: 1rudeboy

Why not?


47 posted on 03/01/2010 3:42:58 PM PST by petertare (--.)
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To: IntolerantOfTreason
The corruption of the press both in America, Canada and the UK should be evident. George Orwell knew about the press. He had lent himself to the propaganda war against Hitler. His rationale was that anything was necessary to defeat the Fascists. Once the war was over, Orwell feared absolute control of the press by those who could use it.

Now consider the press today. We have literally a mass view of certain American politicians. These are the ones that the press decides to damn. Where are the rational and objective views of say, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin? No I am not talking of the internet. The press had their "Hitler" . He had no recourse as have the people mentione. How are we to know the absolute truth about the man?

Throughout the attack by Nato, the hiss of female news persons was evident. "Ethnic cleansing" repeated over and over again. How are we to know the true scope of what this man did? Does anyone think we are going to be told.

We were told of 100,000 dead in mass graves. Over and over.

The Spanish Red Cross has stated that the so-called mass graves unearth about 3000 bodies. This is bad enough. Both Clintons stand guilty. They will never be brought to book.

48 posted on 03/01/2010 3:46:55 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Spike Knotts

We buckled, and our weakness and lack of resolve was shown to the world when we failed to roll to Baghdad during the first Gulf War.(REMEMBER COLON BOWEL?)

The “mercy” signal we sent was received by the thug Arabs and all the worlds evil doers as weakness, as an inability to go for the throat.

That wrong message has translated into unrelenting attempted advances by mudlimes worldwide.


49 posted on 03/01/2010 3:51:12 PM PST by petertare (--.)
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To: Peter Libra

Trepca - the name will live alongside those of Belsen, Auschwitz and Treblinka”

The above is from an old article. It was completely a fake. Do you think anybody remembers it now? Did anybody retract it in headlines equal to the original accusation?

The Serbs are the designated guilty party. You have pointed out some of the press failings. There are literally hundreds like this and it continues today with the kangaroo court in the Hague and reporters looking up the ‘history’ of the whole Yugoslav mess in their own archives — written by sensationalists who already had their minds made up — Serbs in black hats, Muslims in white. The Serbs were not the Nazis in all this but we love to use the term. It’s never ending. Today the only ethnically mixed country from ALL the former Yugoslav republics as of today is Serbia. Genocide? Serbs did not want an ethnically pure country — they simply did not dare risk being a MINORITY in a Muslim or a Croatian country (Nazi allies in WW2 — look it up)where they had been murdered in the hundreds of thousands along with Jews and Gypsies. Am I carrying on too long? I hope this stirs somebody to think more deeply on the topic.


50 posted on 03/04/2010 8:12:08 PM PST by gershwin
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