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The Supreme Court and the Truth About Chicago's Handgun Ban
Fox News ^ | March 1, 2010 | John R Lott Jr

Posted on 03/01/2010 3:34:23 PM PST by JohnRLott

In the 2008 “Heller” decision, the Supreme Court struck down Washington, D.C.’s handgun ban and gunlock requirements. Unsurprisingly, gun control advocates predicted disaster. They were wrong. What actually happened in our nation’s capital after the Heller decision ought to be remembered tomorrow as the Supreme Court hears a similar constitutional challenge to the Chicago handgun ban.

When the Heller case was decided, Washington’s Mayor Adrian Fenty warned: "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence." Knowing that Chicago's gun laws would soon face a similar legal challenge, Mayor Richard Daley was particularly vocal. The day that the Heller decision was handed down, Daley said that he and other mayors across the country were "outraged" by the decision and he predicted more deaths along with Wild West-style shootouts. Daley warned that people "are going to take a gun and they are going to end their lives in a family dispute."

But Armageddon never arrived. Quite the contrary, murders in Washington plummeted by an astounding 25 percent in 2009, dropping from 186 murders in 2008 to 140. That translates to a murder rate that is now down to 23.5 per 100,000 people, Washinton’s lowest since 1967. While other cities have also fared well over the last year, D.C.'s drop was several times greater than that for other similar sized cities. According to preliminary estimates by the FBI, nationwide murders fell by a relatively more modest 10 percent last year and by about 8 percent in other similarly sized cities of half a million to one million people (D.C.'s population count is at about 590,000).

This shouldn't be surprising to anyone who has followed how crime rates change after gun bans . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; crime; gunban; johnlott; mcdonaldvchicago; supremecourt

1 posted on 03/01/2010 3:34:24 PM PST by JohnRLott
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To: JohnRLott

Violent crime dropped to a 43 year low in response to the Supreme Court striking down the DC gun ban. Bad bounce for the liberal wackos.


2 posted on 03/01/2010 3:38:13 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: JohnRLott

The premise of this article, that DC got guns and the death rate went down is totally false.

Certainly Heller won his case, but the DC council passed so many regulations and fee’s that few guns have been registered, other than Hellers.

First you still cannot buy a gun inDC, you must buy it elsewhere and have it given to you by the only dealer allowed to do so. You must pay a fee that is usually more than th cost of the gun, go to a safety class that doesnt exist, and after all that you can only take it home.


3 posted on 03/01/2010 3:38:34 PM PST by Venturer
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To: JohnRLott
Gun control advocates don't care about the actuality of 'reduced crime' because of [dread] citizens owning guns. It really isn't about that at all. Just like healthcare really isn't about - health. Both are about control. You speak rational logical thoughts to them and all they here is "you want to stop me from gaining control over you."
4 posted on 03/01/2010 3:39:59 PM PST by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Gaffer

“gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.”


5 posted on 03/01/2010 3:48:37 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Tarpon

Yea but having a total ban on gun sales is different from various restrictions as the latter still results in the possibility that even though guns may be hard to acquire, someone is STILL going to be packing, there isn’t a law against it like before.

In general, just the threat of guns seems to be pretty effective most of the time.


6 posted on 03/01/2010 3:54:34 PM PST by AZScreamingEagle
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To: AZScreamingEagle

Yes, but there is now enough evidence that citizens with guns lower crime rates. This has been proved by CCW laws in now over 40 states.

I do agree with your premise that the threat the victim will shoot back, is usually enough to discourage. If people don’t think it works, ask them to place a sign on their lawns “no guns in this house”.


7 posted on 03/01/2010 3:58:15 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: Venturer
"The premise of this article, that DC got guns and the death rate went down is totally false."

Not.

What you have to remember is that it is PERCEPTION on the part of criminals that changes things, and now the PERCEPTION is that things are less safe for crime commission. The criminals know that not everyone is going to jump through DC's bureaucratic hoops to get and keep a gun, and any prosecution for NOT jumping through those hoops will probably be thrown out of court.

8 posted on 03/01/2010 4:44:32 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel (NRA))
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To: JohnRLott

The gun control advocates want slavery of the public. That is the only reason they want gun control. If we are able to defend ourselves they can’t push us into slavery.


9 posted on 03/01/2010 5:00:01 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: JohnRLott; All

The wording of the 2A is about as UNAMBIGUOUS as it gets.

If the cities have the right to regulate the 2A, then why no the 1A and what people can say?

The issue is so clear cut it is painful.

.....One more thing, the left loves to point to the “right to privacy” they find in the Constitution to justify abortions. So why doesn’t this “right to privacy” apply to gun owners and what they can and cannot own?


10 posted on 03/01/2010 5:00:13 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Venturer

The perception remains. Criminals won’t be emboldened by obtuse complications of law; they just went from “no guns” to “guns could be anywhere” and picked safer targets.


11 posted on 03/01/2010 7:02:53 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Nothing like endless bloody theological cage matches to win new souls to Christ.)
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To: JohnRLott

Post and read comments from Chicago Police officers.

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/


12 posted on 03/02/2010 7:30:06 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: JohnRLott
BREAKING -- Current Chi Area Gun News
This morning a Family of Three was found MURDERED in a Village very close to me. There's no news if it was a Murder-suicide, OR if it was a Home Invasion/Burglary. This area of the murder has houses worth about 1/2 a Million dollars.

So right now, until more info is released on these murders, I have my Little 9mm Makarov by my side. And yep, no child lock is on it and the mag is full
(have a Mak attack today ;-) )

If I still lived in Chicago I couldn't do this. (we fled that cesspool in 75)

But I 'could' have a 'shotgun' or 'hunting rifle' IF they were on Chi's approved list of Long Guns. And IF I registered them annually (if you're a day late in renewing that's it, too bad, get rid of the gun - or 'else')

So Daley can kiss my asp. He thinks all of IL is HIS. And all of IL is a fricken zoo full of animals - like HIS city is.

13 posted on 03/02/2010 8:52:36 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: KeyLargo
*** Post and read comments from Chicago Police officers. http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/ ***

I read those. Something popped right out at me, someone called Daley 'Shortshanks'. Only one person does that publicly :-)

In any case the Chi Cops detest Daley. I listen to the CPD Scanner. The comments about Daley get pretty funny. And there's never a 'knock it off' from a Sgt or Dispatcher. Maybe because the CPD has been working without a contract like for three years has a bit to do with that.

And there's no love for Daley's hand picked Supt, Jody Weiss either. He's a career Feeb.

14 posted on 03/02/2010 9:05:08 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Condor51; KeyLargo

Today, I sent this letter to the Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun-Times, and Daily Herald:

“I hope that the Supreme Court will overturn Chicago’s handgun ban because gun bans don’t decrease crime rates. In Chicago, no one, except police officers and aldermen are allowed to own handguns. Chicago has a higher murder rate (number of murders per 100,000 people) than New York, Los Angeles, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Phoenix, and Miami. New York City has more than twice as many people as Chicago, but, during four of the last six years, Chicago had more murders than New York. Chicago criminals go to other towns, buy guns, and bring them to Chicago, knowing that the law-abiding people can’t defend themselves.

According to the Index of Leading Cultural Indicators, by William Bennett, in 1960, about 10% of American babies were born out of wedlock. In 1991, the percentages were 65%, for Blacks; 30%, for Hispanics; and 25%, for Whites. When only one parent raises a child, it’s harder to teach the kid good morals, especially since many single mothers work two or three jobs, to make ends meet. When parents aren’t with their kids, many of their teenagers become criminals, causing them to shoot others and/or become shooting victims. Government can’t do much to change this. Each American should be responsible and not conceive children until they’re married. Single fathers should show that care more about their kids by paying child support and spending more time with their kids.”

Almost two years ago, I sent a similar letter to the same papers, and it was printed by the Sun-Times.


15 posted on 03/02/2010 11:40:24 AM PST by PhilCollins
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To: Venturer
What you're saying is that the murder rate shouldn't have gone down. Nonetheless, it did.
16 posted on 03/02/2010 11:45:22 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Venturer

You can’t have a semi-automatic handgun, IIRC. Revolvers only, and I don’t think even one has been licensed.


17 posted on 03/02/2010 11:45:45 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (I'm Ellie Light!)
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To: ctdonath2

There’s something about the non-relationship between causality and correlation.


18 posted on 03/02/2010 11:49:12 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (I'm Ellie Light!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Correlation does not prove causality, but at times it sure indicates it warranting further analysis.


19 posted on 03/02/2010 11:53:28 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

I agree with that. Lott is a pretty decent researcher, so I’d hope he has some evidence to take us past the coincidence factor.


20 posted on 03/02/2010 12:02:01 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I'm Ellie Light!)
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To: ctdonath2

The population of DC is shifting. Many new Urban pioneers are moving in and the locals are being forced to move into PG County in Md. It has more to do with a town that more and more law abiding citizens are moving into than it does with any gun law.


21 posted on 03/02/2010 12:55:07 PM PST by Venturer
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To: PhilCollins
*** Single fathers should show that care more about their kids by paying child support and spending more time with their kids.” ***

I watch the TV program First 48. A week ago or so, in one episode there was a male Murder *victim* who had.... 13 Children. He got killed in a 'Drug Deal Gone Bad'.

LBJ's Great Society has really done a bang up job for the Black Community hasn't it.(1)

(1) There should be a law against being a 'Liberal and/or Progressive'. Everything they touch turns to sheet. And every Gubmint Program they enact to 'help' is a virtual Death Sentence.

22 posted on 03/02/2010 1:00:26 PM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Condor51

As to your point 1,

there IS a “law” against everything “liberal/progressive”,
it’s called the Constitution.

Actually, the Constitution only forbids the federal gov’t from trying socialist programs,

but at least the damage would be isolated to the state level, and you can escape that.


23 posted on 03/02/2010 1:03:50 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Condor51; MrB

“Liberal/progressive” is an oxymoron, since liberal ideas don’t cause progress.


24 posted on 03/02/2010 1:12:50 PM PST by PhilCollins
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To: MrB
*** As to your point 1, there IS a “law” against everything “liberal/progressive”, it’s called the Constitution. ***

I meant a real law, like in the good old days, when Sedition was outlawed (Alien and Sedition Act)

25 posted on 03/02/2010 2:00:25 PM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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