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John McCain: A Hero no more
Common Sense University ^ | March 01, 2010 | CCS Editors

Posted on 03/01/2010 8:25:58 PM PST by CutePuppy

Having read Sarah Palin’s book: Going Rogue, Common Sense University is absolutely baffled by what she describes happened during the ten-week Presidential campaign in 2008. As if it was not bad enough that the liberal media, the vast majority of our media, tried everything in the book to dishonor and discredit her with atrocious accusations and slander, her own campaign staff, the so called ‘B’ team did not at all support her and advise her properly. Instead, they treated her like some country hick and micro-managed her every day activities. They set up interviews with the likes of Charlie Gibson (ABC News) and Katie Couric (CBS News) that turned into disasters for Palin; not because of what she said but by how she was prepared for them and what she was asked by these two liberal ‘icons’. Why would the ‘B’ team campaign staffers think that those two liberals, Gibson and Couric, would treat Sarah Palin fairly. It was apparently Nicolle Wallace who pushed for the interview with Couric telling Palin that Couric liked her and so on. Anyway, we know how that all worked out.

McCain’s campaign manager Steve Schmidt was the big man in this campaign and he dictated what would happen during joint appearance campaign events up until the end when he had somebody tell Sarah Palin on Election night in Arizona that she Palin, was not to make a statement that evening and that her husband and children were not to be on stage with John McCain (as he gave his consolation speech). As it turned out, Todd Palin was on stage but not her children. Another issue was the billing by the McCain campaign of $50,000 to Sarah Palin for the ’vetting process’ expenses incurred during 2008 (prior to her nomination by McCain). Palin was told that she would not have had to pay this had they won the election (see page 363 of her book).

John McCain father and grandfather had been Admirals in the United States Navy and he chose to follow in their footsteps, his military career was excellent and he is mostly known for his heroic behavior during his six years of captivity in Vietnam as a POW. He will be forever a hero in this regard in America’s history! But in the early 1980’s, McCain began another career as a politician, first as U.S. Representative in Congress and then as U.S. Senator from Arizona, a title he still holds today. His political career was one of mixed results, he considered himself a maverick and he did things that were not always in accordance with party affiliation and conservative principles. We do not want to get into that here but instead just focus on his failed presidential bid.

We believe that he recognized in the summer of that year that his support among conservatives was weak and he could not totally count on their votes (due to his many flip-flops on conservative policies over the years). So he selected Sarah Palin as his running mate and it was an excellent choice because probably millions of conservative voters pulled the lever for his ticket because of her and not him. We here at Common Sense University are convinced that without Sarah Palin he would have lost the election to President Obama in a landslide similar to the gigantic loss that his Senatorial predecessor Barry Goldwater suffered in 1964 against Lyndon Johnson.

But his conduct during the campaign in connection with the way his running mate was ‘handled’ and treated by his paid campaign staffers makes us shudder. He, John McCain picked her and it was his duty to protect her from the shenanigans she had to suffer at the hands of his own team and then at the end to even allow the ‘campaign’ to collect the fifty thousand dollars from her for pre-nomination ‘vetting’ expenses is just incredulous and morally wrong. This is not the way a “hero” handles his affairs but it is shameful to the highest degree. We would call this ’wussy’ and cowardly by McCain! How could he let this happen? Or did he just walk away from his own campaign on November 6, 2008? In our opinion, John McCain was a hero a very long time ago and he is no longer a hero. Heros do not act this way and do not let things like this happen, period! In fact, John McCain should be ashamed of himself and enjoy his remaining years in retirement.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bookreview; commonsense; healthcare; hero; johnmccain; mccain; military; nevermind; nohero; obamaelections; palin; sarahpalin; senate
Since McCain doesn't have a common sense to retire, we have to help him come to his senses and help retire him.
1 posted on 03/01/2010 8:25:58 PM PST by CutePuppy
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To: CutePuppy

I agree. The citizens of the State of Arizona should make their voices heard.


2 posted on 03/01/2010 8:31:50 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: CutePuppy
About the creators of Common Sense University blog : http://www.considercommonsense.com/creators

Welcome to our ‘common-sense themed’ website. We are Kurt Poser, Klaus Kirchhoff, and other like-minded individuals that believe strongly in getting back to basics, i.e; applying common sense in a non-partisan or ideological way to issues in our world. Too many people do not take the time to think for themselves while getting news from today’s many media outlets...

3 posted on 03/01/2010 8:34:51 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy

Some GOP insiders and campaign managers, as described in the article above, are our own worst enemies.


4 posted on 03/01/2010 8:41:19 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: CutePuppy

Well, at least this got Sarah Palin national attention running as Vice President on the Republican ticket in the 2008 Presidential election. I hope she has big things in her future.


5 posted on 03/01/2010 8:49:03 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (I think we met before in a past life, and I was a witch back then, too!)
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To: All

I really think there is a possibility McCain was convinced to lose by the dems...


6 posted on 03/01/2010 8:51:28 PM PST by uncle fenders
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To: uncle fenders

The worse thing is that that scenario doesn’t look incredible.


7 posted on 03/01/2010 8:58:30 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: uncle fenders
McCain was programmed to lose by Schmidt and his campaign staff. I have wondered if Soros or the Chicago mafia paid them off.

vaudine

8 posted on 03/01/2010 9:00:22 PM PST by vaudine
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To: CutePuppy

McCain will be re-elected in Arizona. It won’t even be close. He’s good at winning elections. He runs as a conservative, legislates as a liberal, and has a real facility for attracting media interest even though most of his positions are dull re-hashes of center-left thinking (such as it is).

Also, the blogger here fails to note that McCain was easily able to distance himself personally from the petty resentment his own campaign staff had for Palin. Even his own daughter can take shots at Sarah and he still is able to coax her personal loyalty. People shouldn’t kid themselves about McCain. He’s very good at inside baseball in Washington.


9 posted on 03/01/2010 9:02:20 PM PST by PaleoBob
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To: CutePuppy

I’m on page 354 of Sarah’s book. The election is over and Sarah does describe in detail how McCain’s staff handled her ... (in my opinion, badly) ... without being judgemental.

In her book, Sarah reveals - again - that she is one terrifice class act.


10 posted on 03/01/2010 9:05:21 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: CutePuppy
"Another issue was the billing by the McCain campaign of $50,000 to Sarah Palin for the ’vetting process’ expenses incurred during 2008 (prior to her nomination by McCain)"

Seems that there is no limit to the depth of depravity, degeneracy, and immorality to which this son-of-a-bitch will aspire to attain.

11 posted on 03/01/2010 9:05:39 PM PST by matthew fuller (1962- Last year of intelligence- First year of television.)
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To: matthew fuller
Another issue was the billing by the McCain campaign of $50,000 to Sarah Palin for the ’vetting process’ expenses incurred during 2008 (prior to her nomination by McCain).

I have to say that just sounds bizarre. First, I doubt that is what is normally, or ever done, to bill someone for vetting expenses That's a campaign expense like any other campaign expense. And I'd definitely bet that it is not a legally enforceable debt.

That was a totally classless and sounds almost unbelievable.

12 posted on 03/01/2010 9:15:24 PM PST by Will88
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To: Will88; matthew fuller
It is worthwhile to note that McCain denies this allegation. Perhaps it is like when Sarah Palin said that she had made her son's Trig's birth certificate public - that is just the way she sees it, but is not in fact true.

Trevor Potter, general counsel for the McCain campaign, told the Associated Press that the campaign had never asked Palin to pay a legal bill.

"To my knowledge, the campaign never billed Gov. Palin for any legal expenses related to her vetting, and I am not aware of her ever asking the campaign to pay legal expenses that her own lawyers incurred for the vetting process," he said.

When The Atlantic magazine asked Palin's lawyer and her spokesperson to comment on this, they declined.

13 posted on 03/01/2010 9:55:07 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: CutePuppy
John McCain father and grandfather had been Admirals in the United States Navy and he chose to follow in their footsteps, his military career was excellent and he is mostly known for his heroic behavior during his six years of captivity in Vietnam as a POW. He will be forever a hero in this regard in America’s history!

I thought there were other POWs, and Vietnamese, who disputed McCain's hero status. Even if everything McCain says is true, I would not call his military career "excellent". He gave information to the enemy. I'm not saying I would not have under the same treatment. I just think he, to show respect to those who didn't, should not have led such a public life.

14 posted on 03/01/2010 10:13:36 PM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: BlackVeil; Will88; matthew fuller
"...I am not aware of her ever asking the campaign to pay legal expenses that her own lawyers incurred for the vetting process,"

This essentially confirms that she has incurred legal expenses for vetting process (which she personally should not have to have) and that McCain campaign didn't reimburse her expenses, whether she "asked" them to do so or not. Campaign should have covered this from the beginning, if not, they should have had enough decency and professionalism to ask her for all her expenses. Taking into account the well-publicized incident with McCain's staff role in Palin's "expensive clothes shopping" it would not be surprising to find that McCain's campaign staff never asked or cared about her "out-of-pocket" expenses.

"Billed" might mean essentially the same as "not reimbursed"?

15 posted on 03/01/2010 10:24:04 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Razz Barry
Not having been in the same situation, I would not begrudge him a "hero" status as POW in Vietnam - he did refuse the opportunity to leave Hanoi Hilton that was offered to him.

It's his life in what should have been a "public service" ever since I have problems with. It has been far less than exemplary and anything but a service to the "public". It's been all for McCain and his goal to become President, no matter who he has to stab in the back.

Beatles' George Harrison wrote a song perfectly befitting McCain :
I me me mine, I me me mine, I me me mine. All I can hear. I me mine, I me mine, I me mine...

16 posted on 03/01/2010 10:44:41 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy

McCain appears to have behaved honorably in Vietnam. But what actual good did his behavior do? I.e., what real benefit was there to the country?

He long ago undid any of it with his unprincipled, ego-driven “maverick” nonsense. He does not understand or respect the Constitution. He opposed the best thing Bush did (other than thwarting terrorists)—the Bush tax cuts.


17 posted on 03/02/2010 12:30:13 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: CutePuppy

My 2 cents, for whatever they are worth around here?

McCain ran one of the worst campaigns I’ve ever seen ( think Bob Dole! Bob Dole! ) except for two moments of tactical brilliance:

1)- Picking Sarah.
2)- Suspending his campaign for the financial bomb.

He squandered the first by sequestering her for two weeks with- For God’s Sake! former Bush advisors. He should have turned her loose and taken the chance.

He squandered the second by going along with The Good Ole Boys in DC— when the average Joe or Jane saw that, it was all over. Just another mongrel in the dogpack.

Sucks. For all of us, and America...


18 posted on 03/02/2010 1:48:06 AM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: CutePuppy
And MeCain's pal Steve Schmidt was and still is a major asshole!
19 posted on 03/02/2010 4:00:14 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: PaleoBob

...He’s very good at inside baseball in Washington....

right, and he always throws the important games.


20 posted on 03/02/2010 11:27:24 AM PST by Check6 (United States of Moronia: A nation of morons ruled by a gang of communist thugs.)
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To: rabscuttle385

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21 posted on 03/02/2010 11:28:00 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: PaleoBob
McCain will be re-elected in Arizona. He runs as a conservative, legislates as a liberal

No doubt elected by people who don't know what he stands for (who ARE these people!?).

I have a feeling there's a vast number of Republicans who are as dumb as a box of rocks.

22 posted on 03/02/2010 11:49:00 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Be strip-searched by scanners!! Buy ObamaCare or go to jail!! The Totalitarians are in charge!!)
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To: CutePuppy
Or did he just walk away from his own campaign on November 6, 2008?

Actually, he walked away from his campaign when he walked off stage at the convention. Once he had out maneuvered the Republicans he had no interest in fighting a Democrat friend from Washington.

23 posted on 03/02/2010 12:13:24 PM PST by Pan_Yan (Is the sarcasm tag really necessary?)
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To: CutePuppy
as he gave his consolation speech

Hmmm.

24 posted on 03/02/2010 12:48:59 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: backhoe
What is often the case is we have people elected that actually are not what they declare to be. Stealth Senators or House members. Then when the vital time comes they are ready to turn and pass whatever the core issues are. All the while saying they see the need for such poisonous legislation.

Cynical. Yes. With cause and many years of watching the process. It is incomprehensible to me how this can be, but it happens.

We must not be so gullible and accepting of what will destroy our nation, our way of life, and have us descend into oppression, slavery, no private property, killing off the elderly by denying medical care, not teaching history, and generally brainwashing the youth; and distributing our money world wide, to create the same level of surviving, living, working, taking the children from the parents and raising in state facilities, ... all belonging to the state! Which is where we are headed as other nations are already.

God help America, bind the enemy, confound the minions of satan, turn evil away from Your people, protect us with Your powerful arm. Forgive us our omissions, and our commissions, lead us in paths of righteousness, and bless the people with strength, sound minds, and purpose to serve You. Thank You, Father for Your mercy, loving kindness, love, and direction. We cry to You Father, we need help only You can provide, We humbly bow before You and worship You, in Jesus name, amen.

25 posted on 03/02/2010 1:06:41 PM PST by Countyline (God loves you ... He wants you to love Him back; to learn of Him and obey His commands.)
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To: CutePuppy
Another issue was the billing by the McCain campaign of $50,000 to Sarah Palin for the ’vetting process’ expenses incurred during 2008 (prior to her nomination by McCain). Palin was told that she would not have had to pay this had they won the election (see page 363 of her book).

Barack Obama was never vetted.

26 posted on 03/02/2010 2:04:44 PM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: CutePuppy

If Mclame’s people wanted to win, he would have had Ann Coulter prep Sarah Palin for the perky Katie . That would have been a great catfight!!!


27 posted on 03/02/2010 2:30:53 PM PST by Freak Flag
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To: CutePuppy

Does anybody know anything about the living first wife?


28 posted on 03/02/2010 2:32:24 PM PST by Theodore R. (...)
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To: Pan_Yan

Yes, and AZ people don’t understand what he did. They actually think he is a conservative senator who knows how to be in the limelight and gives the state attention.


29 posted on 03/02/2010 2:33:28 PM PST by Theodore R. (...)
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To: backhoe
Agreed. Bob "Where is the outrage? I am taking the gloves off!" Dole comes to mind as far as campaigns go, but Bob Dole was a more decent and honorable man, not mean and spiteful as McCain.

Picking Sarah may have been brilliant, but was pretty much the only choice - a forced, desperate move to hold onto the conservative base, which abandoned him for similar reasons he had abandoned them - they mistrusted him (with good reason) and he despised them for not accepting him as a leader. Even then, he managed to screw it up, by trying to overshadow her and his campaign staff sabotaged her every chance they had. At times it seemed he was running against her, not Obama. That's a false pride, not a leadership.

McCain thinks he is a "leader" and always wanted to be recognized as a leader. Media always touts him as a "leader" (media did the same for Bob Dole, and for the same reason). But you can't be a leader of the party where most want to go in a different direction (smaller, less-intrusive government) and you can't be and should not be a leader when you don't know where you are going.

Re "suspending" his campaign, it could have been a brilliant move - if he understood what was going on and knew what he wanted to do about it, i.e. if he had any clue and some plan. Instead, it was just a cheap political gimmick, attempt to show "leadership". When he came to the "financial crisis summit," La Corrida in DC, he played not the part of toreador, but of the bull led to be killed.

Hank Paulson in his book On the Brink described McCain the way he was - clueless.

Excerpt from the book: When Mr. McCain Came to Washington - WSJ (public), 2010 February 06
"Inside the White House meeting where Obama called McCain's bluff: 'I could see Obama chuckling'"

It was over when McCain won the primary. It was sooo over when he chose to undermine Palin instead of fighting Democrats and Obama.
30 posted on 03/02/2010 2:36:35 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Pan_Yan
Once he had out maneuvered the Republicans he had no interest in fighting a Democrat friend from Washington.

Very well put. You have nailed it!

31 posted on 03/02/2010 2:37:18 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: CutePuppy

Mighty good summary- thank you.


32 posted on 03/02/2010 2:46:36 PM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: vaudine

He was programmed all right. He got brainwashed during the five years he spent being tortured by the Chinese communists. I think he honestly believes he is an upstanding conservative, but he’s actually an agent of destruction.


33 posted on 03/02/2010 2:50:02 PM PST by TheOldLady (We'll remember in November.)
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To: CutePuppy

It is up to you, Zonies!

In August, you must send McShame home!

He is not fit to serve as your US Senator!


34 posted on 03/02/2010 4:18:55 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: CutePuppy
John McCain: A Hero no more

Not much respect left in this forum for Vietnam Vets.

35 posted on 03/02/2010 4:24:10 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

You statement is complete false. McCain has help to kill this country. It has NOTHING to do with Vietnam Vets.


36 posted on 03/02/2010 4:28:00 PM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: bmwcyle
McCain has help to kill this country. It has NOTHING to do with Vietnam Vets.

Would you spit on him?

37 posted on 03/02/2010 4:30:39 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

No I would vote against stupid. I am a submarine vet. Could you be more of an idiot?


38 posted on 03/02/2010 4:34:20 PM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: bmwcyle
No I would vote against stupid.

Is it possible to be a hero, and not have your political viewpoint?

39 posted on 03/02/2010 4:38:48 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

This has nothing to do with Vietnam veterans. If you read the article and the comments, his being a hero in Vietnam is not argued here.

What is questioned are his statements and actions in his political and public life since, and whether he has ever been or can be a political leader or a good Senator, and what can be done to misabuse him of the notion that he is.


40 posted on 03/02/2010 6:04:44 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
If you read the article and the comments, his being a hero in Vietnam is not argued here.

So you disagree with the title?

41 posted on 03/02/2010 6:15:49 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
John McCain: A Hero no more

Title says nothing about Vietnam. John Kerry was trying to convince us and himself that his qualifications to be CiC were that "he served in Vietnam".

If you are unwilling to look at anyone outside of and post-Vietnam, I can't help that.

42 posted on 03/02/2010 6:31:26 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
Title says nothing about Vietnam.

What else is John McCain considered a hero for?

43 posted on 03/02/2010 6:34:22 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
Thanks for making my point.

We would call this ’wussy’ and cowardly by McCain!

In our opinion, John McCain was a hero a very long time ago and he is no longer a hero. Heros do not act this way and do not let things like this happen, period!

44 posted on 03/02/2010 6:44:22 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
Interesting. It explains a few things. The "I could see Obama chuckling" quote reminded me of the moment in the health care summit where obama slapped McCain about the election being over and McCain's persona in response.

The Peter Principle has long ago overtaken and passed McCain by and here we are in obamaland. He's too dumb to retire, so Arizona is going to have to do it for him and for us.

45 posted on 03/02/2010 8:03:35 PM PST by GBA
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To: GBA

Well said.

There are quite a few in Washington (and elsewhere in government) who qualify for Peter Principle; McCain is certainly one of the better-known examples. They are embarrassing themselves but more importantly, the conservatives and the GOP.

Let’s wash out him and some other “Peter Principle Republicans” in this cycle and see how much better Washington sounds and works after that. Then rinse and repeat.


46 posted on 03/02/2010 10:07:12 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

I have a feeling there’s a vast number of Republicans who are as dumb as a box of rocks.


Oh, there’s no doubt. You also have to factor in McCain’s skill as a politician. He’s just very good at it. I really can’t see him losing to JD Hayworth. That’s a mis-match. I hope I’m wrong but...


47 posted on 03/03/2010 2:38:18 PM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Check6

...He’s very good at inside baseball in Washington....


right, and he always throws the important games.

LOL


48 posted on 03/03/2010 2:39:05 PM PST by PaleoBob
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