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Rove admits to error on Iraq as Bush strategist
YahooNews ^ | 3/2/10 | BETH FOUHY/AP

Posted on 03/02/2010 3:54:57 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo

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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

“Oh really? Please enjoy this video of GW admitting that “the main reason we went into Iraq was WMD. Turns out they didn’t have any.”

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Look I can’t help it if the dolt can’t even get the history of his own Administration right.

He just stupidly helps further the anti-war propaganda of the Left. Those of us that were actually paying attention remember the litany of valid reasons given for the take-down of Saddam’s regime, of which the presence of WMDs was just one.


51 posted on 03/02/2010 10:36:16 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: EyeGuy
Look I can’t help it if the dolt can’t even get the history of his own Administration right.

LOL!! What a knee slapper...

Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

52 posted on 03/02/2010 10:52:47 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Rove you magnificent bastard!
53 posted on 03/03/2010 6:41:55 AM PST by meandog (OWEbummercare: "Arbeit Macht Frei!")
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Am I wrong to argue that Bush was concerned about the threat of imminent danger, and not actual imminent danger?


54 posted on 03/03/2010 6:44:24 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Bush made a mistake in not going into Iraq sooner before Saddam moved all of his WMD’s out of the country.
55 posted on 03/03/2010 6:45:18 AM PST by Ditter
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To: ohioWfan
Rove blames himself for not pushing back against claims that Bush had taken the country to war under false pretenses

The new tone approach was a disaster, leaving a void in political discourse the left drove several trucks through. Rove is finally getting around to accepting my criticism of W.

:-)

56 posted on 03/03/2010 6:47:13 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Ditter
Bush made a mistake in not going into Iraq sooner before Saddam moved all of his WMD’s out of the country.

Bingo.

The complicit dweebs at the UN fully bear the blame for letting those weapons vanish.

Bush should have at least yelled long and loud all over the news over that one, or just ignored the UN and gone after him, as you suggest.

57 posted on 03/03/2010 6:49:47 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Lakeshark
And if Rove and Bush had fought back, would that have stopped the left's truckloads of lying garbage from controlling public opinion?

There's where the debate is, Lakeshark.

President Bush defended his Iraq strategy in countless speeches and statements, but it was only heard by those of us who were looking and listening.

While it is definitely arguable that Bush should have fought back harder (I certainly wanted him to), I don't think that his doing so would have overcome the media-culture-political leftists' incessant, screaming lies.

Perhaps it really was best for him to just stay strong and WIN the war, and let history be the judge. I'm pretty sure that's what he still thinks.

58 posted on 03/03/2010 6:57:08 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ETL
Wow. That is a great compilation of the truth, ETL.

THANK you!

59 posted on 03/03/2010 6:59:17 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
This may be a moot point, because he simply didn't respond very well, and we'll never know.

But if we take Reagan as example, the left and the media did the same garbage truck dumping on him, and the Reagan approach worked a whole lot better than the new tone approach, wouldn't you agree?

60 posted on 03/03/2010 7:03:08 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark
Yeah. It's a moot point. ;)

But if you remember, public opinon of Reagan wasn't very good at the end of his 2nd term. It's taken time to correct that.

And the left has gotten much more rabid and open about their hatred for all things conservative.

Not really a fair parallel, methinks.

61 posted on 03/03/2010 7:20:06 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
As I recall his approval rating was close to 60% when he left, not too shabby. I do think it was partly due to his willingness to stand up for his policies the way he did.

The left may be a bit more rabid, but I remember the criticism of Reagan was non stop from the democrats and the media starting about 1982. It was pretty screechy, from "amiable dunce" to "he falls asleep in all the meetings", etc. ad nauseum.

62 posted on 03/03/2010 7:30:22 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark
No active war, Lakeshark. No young Americans being killed.

"Amiable dunce" is a heck of a lot different than "Hitler," "Baby killer," "Liar," "Village idiot."

I remember those days well, Lakeshark. It was not the same. The leftist media at least attempted to hide its ideology. There were no Keith Olbermanns and Chris Matthews. The NYTimes wasn't 100% anti-American.

It wasn't the same. The viciousness against President Bush was unprecendented and vile.

(The only thing perhaps worse was the treatment of Sarah Palin).

Bottom line - even if President Bush had done more to "defend himself" he couldn't have swayed public opinion against a media that lied about Iraq, that used our military deaths as a bludgeon against the President. Even if he had done what we wanted him to do, I don't think those poll numbers would have budged.

63 posted on 03/03/2010 7:39:16 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: pissant

The biggest ‘mistake’, if you wish to call it that, by Rove was pushing Grover Norquist to head up policy making in the Bush Administration, with amnesty and out reach to muslims as the ROP. Rove bringing Abramoff into the white house, especially as a transition leader in the Interior Dept. was not a good move.


64 posted on 03/03/2010 9:52:43 AM PST by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: ohioWfan
We had as real a war as you can have, a very difficult one against the Soviet empire. I remember the huge anti-nuke protests, the signs, and the ongoing propaganda of the media. All this stuff we see today was pretty much the same.

The rhetoric was the same as it is now, it's just that Reagan engaged the public and went over the heads of media rather than leaving the public square to the rhetoric. I'm not a Bush hater at all, but his idea not to engage because of "the new tone" should have been thrown out some time in 2002 when it was obvious it didn't work. No matter what he did, they were going to go to the garbage dump, not responding just left the public undefended from their lies.

As to the media, there was Walter Cronkite, about to be replaced by Dan Rather, and the other anchors were all libs, and there was no Fox yet. It wasn't a lack of bias, there was no Rush Limbaugh to point out the bias, no talk radio. It was hardly civil.

Bush never pushed back, and it was a mistake. McCain followed in his footsteps in 2008, and now that Sarah Palin is no longer in his shadow, she is pushing back, and it's working.

Bottom line - We'll never know cause Bush didn't try, but looking at what Reagan accomplished agsinst the same monsters of the left might show us a better way.

65 posted on 03/03/2010 10:18:27 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark
Of course the Cold War was real, but there were no deaths that the leftist media could splash on the front pages, and bombed vehicles to proudly display. The left was far more vicious against Bush than it was against Reagan.

The rhetoric was not the same. There were books and movies about assassinating President Bush.

I maintain that even without the "new tone" President Bush wouldn't have been effective.

I don't think McCain followed in Bush's footsteps at all. He campaigned very hard......against Bush. And that's why he lost.

I like Sarah's pushing, btw. I just don't think you can or should insist that someone do something he doesn't believe is the appropriate behavior. I would have been screaming in self-defense if I were President Bush, but that's not what he thought was the right thing to do.

66 posted on 03/03/2010 10:24:31 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
Okay, we'll disagree on the rhetoric level, I just don't see it being all that different. The difference was that W decided not to respond, not to defend himself, and that left a void in public discourse. I found that disconcerting some time around 2005, and still do.

I think you are admitting he didn't: I would have been screaming in self-defense if I were President Bush, but that's not what he thought was the right thing to do.

67 posted on 03/03/2010 10:31:27 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: ohioWfan

Btw, I thought McCain lost it for a whole host of reasons, mostly because he was a poor candidate.


68 posted on 03/03/2010 10:32:40 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark
Of course I'm saying he didn't respond hard enough to his critics. What I disagree on is what good it would have done.

I mean, how is one to respond to a play or book calling for your assassination? The rhetoric was far worse.

Oh.......and campaigning against Bush was only one reason McCain lost. Certainly not the only reason.

He was a horrible candidate. NO disagreement there.

69 posted on 03/03/2010 10:49:09 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
Well, you might want to re-think your conclusion on this one. His new tone policy was a mistake, it poisoned the waters because there was little response, making it seem there couldn't be a response because what they were saying about him was true. It doesn't mean he was a bad person, it just means it was a mistake, in my opinion, a pretty bad one.

I think Karl Rove is admitting it in the article.

Truce for now? I think we beat this very dead horse even more dead than it was.

:-)

70 posted on 03/03/2010 10:57:25 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

That horse is more than dead, Lakeshark. It’s mutilated! ;*)


71 posted on 03/03/2010 2:15:02 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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