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Mourning begins for SoCal teen after body is found (when will we learn)
Associated Press ^ | Mar 3, 3:57 AM (ET) | ELLIOT SPAGAT

Posted on 03/03/2010 7:31:02 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet

The Lake Elsinore man pleaded guilty in May 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old female neighbor and served five years of a six-year prison term. Prosecutors said he lured the victim to his home with an offer to watch "Patch Adams," a 1998 movie starring Robin Williams. The girl was beaten before escaping and running to a neighbor. Gardner "never expressed one scintilla of remorse for his attack upon the victim" despite overwhelming evidence, prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo.

He had faced a maximum of nearly 11 years in prison under terms of a plea agreement but prosecutors urged six years. A psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner, Dr. Matthew Carroll, wanted a stiffer punishment, saying in court documents that he was a "continued danger to underage girls in the community."

Gardner was on parole for three years, until September 2008, state records show.

San Diego police say Gardner is positively linked to an assault on a 22-year-old Colorado Springs, Colo., woman who managed to fend off her attacker on Dec. 27 in Rancho Bernardo Community Park on the northern edge of San Diego, where King's 1994 BMW was found with her belongings inside.

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Rehab can longer be considered an option. Rehab of this behavior is an intellectual psychosis industry that has to be stopped and not rewarded with public money to study these animals.

Life imprisonment, castration, and the death penalty for sex offenses should be allowed as punishment. What state lawmakers will take up this challenge? (crickets)

1 posted on 03/03/2010 7:31:03 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

“Rehab can longer be considered an option. Rehab of this behavior is an intellectual psychosis industry that has to be stopped and not rewarded with public money to study these animals.”

True for both sex offenders and progressives.


2 posted on 03/03/2010 7:33:10 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

“Rehab can longer be considered an option. Rehab of this behavior is an intellectual psychosis industry that has to be stopped and not rewarded with public money to study these animals.”

The shrink specifically called this sub-human a “threat to society” and they set him free...not even an ankle bracelet. The ACLU fears putting a “Scarlet Letter” on the poor guy...but seriously, how much good does it do, anyway, to register sex offenders with 30 million illegals roaming the streets? Are they all registered in Mexico City? Probably not. When Butch and Sundance couldn’t rob banks here anymore, they went to another country...who the hell else is roaming the streets of America?


3 posted on 03/03/2010 7:35:51 AM PST by jessduntno (They'll get my false teeth when they pry them from my sister's cold, dead mouth!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Louisiana under Bobby Jindal tried. It was struck down by the USSC.


4 posted on 03/03/2010 7:36:04 AM PST by Grunthor (Does The Name "Obama" Appear In any Hawaii Birth Database?)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

The problem started when we changed it from ‘punishment’ to ‘rehabilitation’.

There is no punishment. We are trying to ‘fix’ these people.... and it DOES NOT WORK.


5 posted on 03/03/2010 7:36:31 AM PST by envisio
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To: Grunthor

thoes voting on the USSC to strike it down should be castrated.


6 posted on 03/03/2010 7:37:22 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Does that include for serial rapists who target adults like Bill Clinton?


7 posted on 03/03/2010 7:38:51 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: jessduntno

“””””The ACLU fears putting a “Scarlet Letter” on the poor guy...””””””

Well, if he only rapes and kills a few of our daughters thats not as bad as us risking hurting his feeeeelings.

/extreme sarc


8 posted on 03/03/2010 7:39:03 AM PST by envisio
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To: envisio
We are trying to ‘fix’ these people

The only way to 'fix' them is with a scalpel.

9 posted on 03/03/2010 7:39:07 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: a fool in paradise

uh...of course. Especially elected officials. But you have to get them to trial first.


10 posted on 03/03/2010 7:40:00 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
We manage crime.
We do not fight crime.
We have institutionalized crime as a necessary component of society. It rises to a level of acceptance and even entertainment.
11 posted on 03/03/2010 7:40:17 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Da Coyote

REHAB DOESN’T WORK!!!! Castration will!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 03/03/2010 7:40:39 AM PST by rstark56
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

My heart broke watching her family at that candlelight service. Her young brother looked in total shock.

Evil people like this should not be allowed to mix in society.

We go from one case to the next and nothing is ever done about it.

In fact, all the understanding is afforded the monsters.


13 posted on 03/03/2010 7:40:57 AM PST by dforest
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To: jessduntno

We’ve even released rapists and drunk drivers from US prisons because we didn’t want the expense of lockup and released them because they were illegally in the country.

Essentially a get out of jail free card and what’s more, we’ve seen some come BACK to the states to offend again.

The states no longer want to keep prisoners locked up. Too much cost. They persue revenue ticket offenses because they collect money and rarely seek jailtime.


14 posted on 03/03/2010 7:41:07 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

We need to start arming our daughters when they reach 18, teach them to shoot and learn firearm safety. Kill the damn bastards in self-defense.


15 posted on 03/03/2010 7:41:27 AM PST by Qwackertoo (I'm really thrilled that Scott Brown WON Big Time Last Night)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

“Rehab” for sexual deviancy is a way for the psychiatric community to convince themselves and others that they actually DO something productive. While the medication for mental illness has grown leaps and bounds, the actual ‘treatment’ for sexual sadism and rape just doesn’t work. You cannot talk someone into stopping what is an uncontrollable urge. Therefore, removal from society is the only option. Either by prison or death.


16 posted on 03/03/2010 7:41:29 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
We have institutionalized crime as a necessary component of society. It rises to a level of acceptance and even entertainment.

There is a whole legal industry (public and private, including judges, court reporters, clerks, etc) who count on there being crime in society.

17 posted on 03/03/2010 7:42:04 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: thethirddegree
The only way to 'fix' them is with a scalpel.

Not the only way. I'd go with a .45.

18 posted on 03/03/2010 7:42:40 AM PST by phrogphlyer (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: thethirddegree

“The only way to ‘fix’ them is with a scalpel.”

Or a rusty bolt cutter.


19 posted on 03/03/2010 7:42:45 AM PST by jessduntno (They'll get my false teeth when they pry them from my sister's cold, dead mouth!)
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To: autumnraine
“Rehab” for sexual deviancy is a way for the psychiatric community to convince themselves and others that they actually DO something productive.

Closeted psychiatrists "rehabbed" homosexuality right out of the list of deviant behaviors.

20 posted on 03/03/2010 7:43:16 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: rstark56

Castration will not work...Lobotomy maybe....single shot through the heart...definitely.


21 posted on 03/03/2010 7:46:02 AM PST by celticfreedom ("Meekness Isn't Weakness... it is power under control")
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To: indylindy

Our society’s response to being tough on crime, is a plea bargain and a tight GPS ankle bracelet.

The uniqueness of a serial rapist/predator, is that they spread out their crimes in both time and location so that the public will never really get a chance to galvanize their anger,...and when they do,..Jersey Shore comes on and we laugh at Snookie’s antics. The ability to care is bankrupt without the coin to act.


22 posted on 03/03/2010 7:46:10 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

The death penalty for heinous crimes is the only answer.


23 posted on 03/03/2010 7:47:51 AM PST by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve. Is our government our traitor?)
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To: envisio

“The problem started when we changed it from ‘punishment’ to ‘rehabilitation’.”

I must disagree. In this case, the perp was clearly NOT rehabilitated, but he HAD SERVED his punishment.

The problem stems from two facts. One, we authorize our government to punish people for what they have done, not for what they might do in the future. Two, some or even most people cannot be rehabilitated.


24 posted on 03/03/2010 7:48:34 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: a fool in paradise
"The states no longer want to keep prisoners locked up. Too much cost."

Rope is cheap


25 posted on 03/03/2010 7:48:43 AM PST by fredhead (Liberals think globally, reason rectally, act idiotically.)
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To: thethirddegree

That doesn’t “fix” anything. If nothing else, it makes them more violent because there is no climatic conclusion to their sadistic tendencies.

The only “fix” is a needle and a coffin.


26 posted on 03/03/2010 7:49:04 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Qwackertoo

“We need to start arming our daughters when they reach 18, teach them to shoot and learn firearm safety. Kill the damn bastards in self-defense.”

I trained all of my children to use firearms at age 12. Prior to that, they all had several years of following me to the range to absorb the very serious lessons on safety. My daughter regularly beats me in target practice, and I have no problem with that. There is no remorse in our household for the termination of anyone posing a threat. I would be extremely angry at anyone that would endanger my family, and therefore require me to stop them by any means necessary, but I would do it without regret.


27 posted on 03/03/2010 7:49:58 AM PST by Pecos
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To: fredhead

That was the founding fathers’ opinion. It was an unreasonable expectation that the taxpayers should subsidize these people’s existence for life.

And it was considered cruel to keep a man locked up for the rest of his life in prison.


28 posted on 03/03/2010 7:54:11 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
I know someone who did a detailed study of these predators and the results were shocking. They did the study for a publication, but the topic was so overwhelmingly depressing and since there was NO evidence that any rehab worked the publication refused to publish the paper.
These perverts are not single-time abusers or murderers. They do it over and over and over.
29 posted on 03/03/2010 7:54:59 AM PST by madinmadtown
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To: rstark56
REHAB DOESN’T WORK!!!! Castration will!!!!!!!!!

Castration either doesn't mean what you think it means or it won't do what you think it will.

Snipping off the testicles will remove any chance of procreation but it won't stop the urges to rape and it won't prevent penetration because it won't stop an erection.

Even if you did pull a John Wayne BOBBIT, the urges to rape and maim will continue with inanimate objects. The only sure way to prevent this kind of sicko from ever again committing such an atrocity is a bullet to the brain.

30 posted on 03/03/2010 7:55:51 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: jessduntno
Or a DULL rusty bolt cutter.
31 posted on 03/03/2010 7:57:10 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Why protest fur and not leather? Ever try to hassle a motorcycle gang?)
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To: envisio
We are trying to ‘fix’ these people.... and it DOES NOT WORK.

I know a certain "fix" that would...permanently...................

32 posted on 03/03/2010 7:57:29 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Qwackertoo

I once saw a Brinks Home Security commercial. These young people are having a evening party,..some unknown guy hits on the young host,..and then everyone leaves. The girl is locking up the house and sets the alarm. Stranger dude comes back and kicks in the door. Alarm comes on and girl gets phone call that police are on the way.

I think the NRA ought to do a take on this commercial....but...when the door is kicked open, the alarm goes off,..and her .38 goes off...perp goes down. She then tells Onstar or whomever the hell that they need to also send a morgue van.


33 posted on 03/03/2010 7:58:04 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: a fool in paradise

Bill Clinton was targeted by a serial rapist? Do tell.


34 posted on 03/03/2010 7:58:46 AM PST by i_dont_chat (We have a cultural crisis–not a heath-care crisis.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

It is repulsive that America’s leaders target so-called “junk food” more fervently than they do these filthy sub-humans.

Which is more harmful to children?

If I were the father of the girl, this POS would be a dead man walking if he were ever released from prison. 20 years, 50 years, I would wait. His first breath of air outside the prison walls would be his last.


35 posted on 03/03/2010 7:59:26 AM PST by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

We’ve got a level III running around Duluth and nobody knows where he is. He can’t register the address where he is living because he is HOMELESS....

They knew he would be homeless, but they released him anyway.......


36 posted on 03/03/2010 7:59:35 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (I Got My Dollars Worth Today.)
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To: madinmadtown
These perverts are not single-time abusers or murderers. They do it over and over and over.

Worse, for each and everytime they've been caught, they have committed the crime at least 100 other times without being caught.

37 posted on 03/03/2010 8:00:02 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: i_dont_chat

Does that include for serial rapists, like Bill Clinton, who target adults?


38 posted on 03/03/2010 8:00:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: ExSoldier

well,..i mean removal of the prostate too,..and any other elements that assist the behavior... They can carry around a catheter tube. dress it up,..hide it under their tie or something.


39 posted on 03/03/2010 8:00:52 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
I can fix this creep for $0.25.

I'd make the donation, happily.

40 posted on 03/03/2010 8:01:50 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

“His first breath of air outside the prison walls would be his last.”

..yeah...the breath would come through his sternum.


41 posted on 03/03/2010 8:01:58 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: envisio

“There is no punishment. We are trying to ‘fix’ these people.... and it DOES NOT WORK.”

Yep! People have to WANT to be fixed in order for that to work. And since there is no “punishment” in prison anymore, they sit around, eat, drink, pass time and then get out with the same (if not worse) resentful feelings and thoughts that got them thrown into prison in the first place!

Making prison punishment, would encourage people to do better and WANT to do better. THEN you move them into the “rehab” phase. If that doesn’t work - back to the punishment phase; if it DOES work, then you give them probation and a chance at re-entering a normal life!

The punishment is missing from our system! It’s like grounding your kid to their room where they have a TV, stereo, video games, you take their food to them, they have a cell phone and a computer!

What exactly did you teach them? What did you do that will make them think twice about NOT doing it again? DUH!!!


42 posted on 03/03/2010 8:02:04 AM PST by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: madinmadtown

The media has a fascination with covering these violent offenders. Not just in the “news” but in docudramas and true crime shows.

It seems they like a certain level of chaos in the culture.


43 posted on 03/03/2010 8:02:35 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: i_dont_chat

i think what they were saying is that its been reported that Bill engaged in predator/serial rapist activities/tendencies and after his victims were re-victimized by the liberal press and campaign staff, he was never convicted and became an international statesman.


44 posted on 03/03/2010 8:03:45 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
I once saw a Brinks Home Security commercial. These young people are having a evening party,..some unknown guy hits on the young host,..and then everyone leaves. The girl is locking up the house and sets the alarm. Stranger dude comes back and kicks in the door. Alarm comes on and girl gets phone call that police are on the way.

I've seen that commercial many times and just shake my head. Who locks their house during the day and sets the alarm when they are home? Furthermore any intruder bold enough to break a glass door in the middle of the day while people are home wouldn't run because of an alarm, the women in the commercial would be abducted, raped, robbed or dead. Security companies are as useful as the police in that they arrive just in time to clean up the mess.
45 posted on 03/03/2010 8:03:46 AM PST by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“level III”...

Sounds like the title of a movie that needs to be made on this issue,...have the NRA give a public service announcement at the end urging citizens to arm and protect themselves.


46 posted on 03/03/2010 8:04:53 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Pecos
I trained all of my children to use firearms at age 12.

I taught my daughter to shoot when she was 10. When she turned 16 I taught her tactical shooting. When she was 21 I got her a 357 magnum and a carry permit. Then I taught her to kill using other weapons besides a firearm. Now it's all going down the tubes because she's moving to New York City this summer. She's a rising star in the fashion industry (management not model -- but she could) and that's where the action is and the money. So I'm sad and I'm worried.

47 posted on 03/03/2010 8:06:19 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Another wonderful rapist:

“During the Kimberly Leach trial, on February 9, 1980, Bundy took advantage of an old law still on the books in the state of Florida that allowed a “declaration” in court to constitute a legal marriage. Bundy proposed to former coworker Carole Ann Boone, who had moved to Florida to be near Bundy, in the courtroom while questioning her on the stand. She readily accepted and Bundy announced to the courtroom that they were married. Following numerous conjugal visits between Bundy and his new wife, Boone gave birth to a daughter in October 1982. However, in 1986 Boone moved back to Washington and never returned to Florida. The current whereabouts of Boone and her daughter are unknown

Interesting about the conjugal visits. I’m sure that didn’t continue to fuel anything.


48 posted on 03/03/2010 8:09:45 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Allow as many potential “victims” to arms themselves as possible. That would help weed out a lot of this as many potential perps would never make it to trial alive.


49 posted on 03/03/2010 8:12:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Bundy was one of the last high profile murderers to be actually executed. Too many die of “natural causes” in prison.

In some areas, they are looking at releasing prisoners who “don’t have long to live”.

There is some investigation now in the Lockerbie Bomber case since he reportedly had 3 months to live yet is still enjoying his freedom.


50 posted on 03/03/2010 8:14:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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