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Church stops hosting conservative group after blog complaint (from DailyKos)
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | March 04, 2010 | James O'Toole

Posted on 03/04/2010 3:19:05 AM PST by Brugmansian

The Pittsburgh 9.12 Project, a grass-roots conservative group, was forced to seek a new home after complaints about a North Hills church's decision to allow them to use their meeting room.

The group, an affiliate of the movement promoted by Fox commentator Glenn Beck, had staged a series of gatherings in St. John Lutheran Church of Highland. The church's meeting room was also to have been the site of a similar conservative group, the Pittsburgh Tea Party movement, last weekend, but that session was canceled due to weather . . .

The decision came after a blog post on the liberal website Daily Kos criticized the church's decision to hold the gatherings and suggested that the conservative group's views on issues such as global warming were at odds with the views of the Lutheran Church.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 912project; dailykos; glennbeck; kos; lutherans; pittsburghpa

1 posted on 03/04/2010 3:19:05 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Brugmansian

First and foremost so called global warming is a religious belief peculiar to the left. So is socialism.


2 posted on 03/04/2010 3:23:32 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Never squat with your spurs on.)
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To: Brugmansian
The decision came after a blog post on the liberal website Daily Kos criticized the church's decision to hold the gatherings and suggested that the conservative group's views on issues such as global warming were at odds with the views of the Lutheran Church.

If CO2 was a horrible pollutant, why did God put so much of it in the air. The Garden of Eden probably had more CO2 than we have today.

3 posted on 03/04/2010 3:25:30 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Brugmansian

suggested that the conservative group’s views on issues such as global warming were at odds with the views of the Lutheran Church.

The faithless belief that God is NOT the creator, controller, director, of anything and everything related to this planet created for the habitation of plant animal and man, is contrary to every Christian principle known to man, and by virtue of that fact alone, there is NO Christian religion known to man that could even harbor such belief that the planet is running away from the control of its creator.


4 posted on 03/04/2010 3:26:43 AM PST by wita
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To: wita

The Lutheran Church should put daily bird droppings in its place, in regards this issue. One might expect their be a tattletale within the particular church or community in question. Faithless little b..../b.......


5 posted on 03/04/2010 3:32:11 AM PST by wita
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To: Brugmansian

Children of the corn strike again.


6 posted on 03/04/2010 3:46:46 AM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: Brugmansian

Group should sue the church for discrimination.
Group may just get the whole place in any judgement.


7 posted on 03/04/2010 3:58:07 AM PST by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs.)
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To: Brugmansian

The county assessor should be there tomorrow morning.


8 posted on 03/04/2010 4:20:14 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Brugmansian

The church has every right as a private religious entity to host whoever they want on their property. This just demonstrates without doubt whose “side” they are on. I should think other meeting places — even churches — would be available to these groups. Of course, those that host them may get their IRS tax-exempt status revoked. Such is a possibility when dealing with an increasingly totalitarian styled regime such as is Washington DC.


9 posted on 03/04/2010 4:21:20 AM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: wita

Let’s not confuse the Lutheran Church with the ELCA. There are millions of Lutherans belonging to other denominations of the Lutheran Church who do not worship at the altar of man-made global warming. The ELCA is an apostate offshoot of the Lutheran Church...


10 posted on 03/04/2010 4:41:57 AM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Russ; lightman

Indeed!


11 posted on 03/04/2010 4:55:01 AM PST by aussiemom
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To: wita

The Lutheran Church is not at all conservative as a whole!


12 posted on 03/04/2010 5:00:54 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Brugmansian

Do the KOS kids complain when their fearless, feckless leaders all run for the speeches and photo ops at black churches prior to every election?

Perhaps they might see a problem with that, maybe.


13 posted on 03/04/2010 5:04:11 AM PST by dforest
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To: Joe Boucher

As the last days approach,

the Apostate Church “emerges”.


14 posted on 03/04/2010 5:06:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Joe Boucher
Group should sue the church for discrimination.

If the church had refused to let the local ACORN chapter use the room would you be recommending the same thing?

15 posted on 03/04/2010 5:11:27 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Brugmansian

http://www.stjohnslutheranchurch.com/main.asp?page={CA27FBA7-F3FB-42A8-840D-EF010B82B99D}


16 posted on 03/04/2010 5:13:57 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: PghBaldy
I wonder if that church knows just what kind of stuff Daily Kos endorses.

Aren't they the ones who wished Tony Snow to die of cancer and rejoiced after he did?

17 posted on 03/04/2010 5:16:10 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Brugmansian

They probably threatened them physically.


18 posted on 03/04/2010 5:16:29 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Russ
Russ, believe me I am not blaming all Lutherans for the actions of this one church. We unfortunately have Fr Phalager(sp) in the Catholic Church.

B16 really has to have a talk with that guy.

19 posted on 03/04/2010 5:20:58 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: mware

I grew up in the area of where the church is, and spend most of my time less than 5 mins away. Went to school across the street from that church, and the area is somewhat conservative. Jason Altmire is the Congresswoman (which is partially why I say somewhat conservative area). I’m not sure about the Tony Snow thing but wouldn’t surprise me.


20 posted on 03/04/2010 5:28:17 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Brugmansian

Conservatives need to get off their butts and do the same thing to black churches that rats use to get votes. Those churches are so political that most of them are just cover ops for rats, just like ACORN.

Meanwhile, any conservatives connected to the church at issue in the article should quit the congregation or, at the very least, voice their objections and never give them another dime.


21 posted on 03/04/2010 5:44:05 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Non-Sequitur

That is why I said what I said cause had acorn or some homosexual group been denied they’d certainly have gone to the courts. As they should.
Christian groups, conservative groups, pro gun groups etc need to push back a hard as the libs do.


22 posted on 03/04/2010 5:49:19 AM PST by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

suggested that the conservative group’s views on issues such as global warming were at odds with the views of the Lutheran Church.

Swampy, I’m going to have to plead ignorance here. My state is full of Lutherans, and by and large, my perception is, they are conservative, base on the overall perception that the state is a conservative state.

Russ, the article, unfortunately does not delineate factions, but just states more than once, Lutheran Church. We’ll chalk the confusion up to the author of the article.


23 posted on 03/04/2010 6:11:34 AM PST by wita
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To: Always Right

it was warm enough to run around naked


24 posted on 03/04/2010 6:24:30 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“The Lutheran Church is not at all conservative as a whole!”

It’s not a singular entity, either. LCMS shares nothing with ELCA but a word.


25 posted on 03/04/2010 6:47:49 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: MrB
Yes, it's scary to see these so-called 'churches' emerge--check out THIS scary one!

The New Church.

Words fail me! :-O
26 posted on 03/04/2010 8:25:59 AM PST by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: pillut48

Has some real whoppers e.g. “God does not judge us”.


27 posted on 03/04/2010 8:31:36 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: pillut48
Check this out:

OPRAH'S NEW SPIRITUALITY, THE EMERGENT CHURCH AND THE SEDUCTION OF CHRISTIANITY

28 posted on 03/04/2010 8:32:56 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: patriot preacher; Gilbo_3

“..Of course, those that host them may get their IRS tax-exempt status revoked...”

Can’t serve two masters - either Serve God or serve Mammon.
And that decision is being put before each of us daily...

Showdown coming. At lightspeed.


29 posted on 03/04/2010 8:52:00 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Brugmansian

enviroNutcasess are a bunch of petty little f***s, eh?


30 posted on 03/04/2010 8:54:55 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: Brugmansian

I probably feel different than most here; but churches shouldn’t hosting political groups of any kind, in my opinion.


31 posted on 03/04/2010 8:55:25 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
I probably feel different than most here; but churches shouldn’t hosting political groups of any kind, in my opinion

Churches were used by the Committees of Correspondence during the Revolution. The War of Independence was preached from the pulpit. Same with abolition, woman's suffrage, the fight against Jim Crow and opposition to the Viet Nam War. Except for some minor Christian groups which believe in a withdrawal from the public square, the idea that the church should keep out of politics is a post-WWII idea found mostly on the left and only when conservatives church goers are involved.

32 posted on 03/04/2010 9:23:00 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: NFHale
good answer haledude...

i highly respect a pastor who has the conviction of his faith to say 'bite me' when ANY entity crosses the Truth of scripture...

the whole homo promotion equality laws thing will soon separate the faithful from the collection plate junkies...

fortunately, the Lord already knows the hearts of us all, and will use all this to His Glory...

33 posted on 03/04/2010 9:30:35 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: MrB

I like that guy, naming names and kicking butt! :-)
Thanks for the link!


34 posted on 03/04/2010 9:32:29 AM PST by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: NormsRevenge

“...enviroNutcasess...”

Why anyone even bothers to listen to them is beyond me. Treat them with absolute contempt and disregard.


35 posted on 03/04/2010 9:32:45 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Gilbo_3

“...respect a pastor who has the conviction ...”

Too many have forgotten THEIR oath.

Sheep, wolves, and Sheepdogs. We all have t decide which of those we are. Pastors are DEFINITELY “supposed” to be Sheepdogs.

When they fall on their *sses, it’s up to us.


36 posted on 03/04/2010 9:34:44 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Brugmansian
I see corporate church political involvement mostly in the Reverend Wright style; or the left wing church groups who do everything but preach the gospel. (environmental activism, “social justice”; etc)
Preaching the gospel is what churches should do; Christians should not need a pastor to tell them how to think on political issues.
37 posted on 03/04/2010 9:55:36 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

This is type of political activism by churches I find unacceptable and see mostly:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464010/posts


38 posted on 03/04/2010 10:17:41 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Unilateral disarmament isn’t the answer. There were churches which preached against the American Revolution, against abolition and against ending Jim Crow. Had clergy not stood up, those sides would have prevailed.


39 posted on 03/04/2010 11:02:34 AM PST by Brugmansian
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