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House Panel Approves Armenian Genocide Resolution (Turkey withdraws US Ambassador)
Associated Press ^ | 3/4/10 | AP

Posted on 03/04/2010 2:15:10 PM PST by Gabrial

A congressional panel approved a resolution Thursday declaring the Ottoman-era killing of Armenians genocide over protests by Turkey, a NATO ally that is crucial to U.S. interests in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Minutes after the vote, Turkey said it was recalling its ambassador from Washington.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armenian; islam; obama; turkey
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1 posted on 03/04/2010 2:15:10 PM PST by Gabrial
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To: Gabrial

Good. This is the recognition of the genocide of a Christian People by Muslims, nothing wrong with that, should have happened sooner.


2 posted on 03/04/2010 2:19:22 PM PST by ScottMerge
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To: Gabrial
Yes they are, which is why the Al Qaida sympathizers in our congress just can't help poking them in the eye over a meaningless resolution.

It would be nice if they would show half the enthusiasm about poking our real enemies in the eye.

3 posted on 03/04/2010 2:19:58 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Gabrial

“Turkey, a NATO ally”?
What, did I miss something?
Didn’t Turkey refuse to allow our troops to go into Iraq from Turkish terratory?
Didn’t that cost untold American military personnel lives.
That is an alley?
HOrse poop is what Turkey is.


4 posted on 03/04/2010 2:27:13 PM PST by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs.)
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To: Gabrial

I think Turkey did everything in their power to screw us before, during and after the Iraq War. If my memory is correct I believe Turkey demanded $32 billion from us for the use of their bases to launch an attack on Saddam.


5 posted on 03/04/2010 2:30:04 PM PST by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: Gabrial
"White House spokesman Mike Hammer . . . ."

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6 posted on 03/04/2010 2:31:26 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: ScottMerge
There is an issue behind the issue of the word genocide; to wit,

Recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is a secondary issue – interview with Harut Sassounian

Also, why just Turkey? To wit,

500,000 Armenians Said To Have Perished. Washington Asked to Stop Slaughter of Christians by Turks and Kurds. The New York Times September 24, 1915

Again, why just Turkey?
"'German Responsibility in the Armenian Genocide: A Review of the Historical Evidence of German Complicity" by Vahakn N. Dadrian.

7 posted on 03/04/2010 2:35:16 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Gabrial

A congressional panel does something right. I expect the One will criticize them for this.


8 posted on 03/04/2010 2:39:36 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Gabrial

Did I miss something, or did this happen before I was born (and I’m 68!) This is rediculous, no wonder DC is a mess, why don’t we form a committee on Genghis Kahn’s atrocities and have a resolution or two, that might take up 6 months of congressional pay, huh? It would give this DO NOTHING congress something to do! These people are SICK!!!! And I am SICK of PAYING FOR THEM!!!


9 posted on 03/04/2010 2:40:06 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: Joe Boucher

“HOrse poop is what Turkey is.”

On April 27, 2007, in advance of the November 4, 2007 presidential election, and in reaction to the politics of Abdullah Gül, who has a past record of involvement in Islamist political movements and banned Islamist parties such as the Welfare Party, the army issued a statement of its interests. It said that the army is a party to “arguments” regarding secularism; that Islamism ran counter to the secular nature of the Turkish Republic, and to the legacy of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. The Army’s statement ended with a clear warning that the Turkish Armed Forces stood ready to intervene if the secular nature of the Turkish Constitution is compromised, stating that “the Turkish Armed Forces maintain their sound determination to carry out their duties stemming from laws to protect the unchangeable characteristics of the Republic of Turkey. Their loyalty to this determination is absolute

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Turkey

Pull your head out Joe.


10 posted on 03/04/2010 2:43:14 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: ScreamingFist

Yeah fist guy,
Is this only one of the many arrested in turkeys military for supporting secularism here in the last week?
Go fish.


11 posted on 03/04/2010 2:48:41 PM PST by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs.)
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To: ScreamingFist

Yes, and no.


12 posted on 03/04/2010 2:49:18 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
A congressional panel does something right. I expect the One will criticize them for this.

A congressional panel did this at the whim of the president. He has now managed to piss off the UK, France, Japan and Turkey. See a pattern here?

13 posted on 03/04/2010 2:50:43 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Hey it’s just a resolution stating facts that have been covered up for far too long.
WWI has many parallels to what happened in WWII. Genocide was committed during this period.


14 posted on 03/04/2010 2:50:43 PM PST by WILLIALAL
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To: Joe Boucher
Go fish.

Go figure out how many military coups Turkey has had since Atatürk. This is a finger in the eye of the Turks. Have you ever heard of Incerlic or Diyabakir? Pull you head out.

15 posted on 03/04/2010 2:54:02 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: ScreamingFist

Another hamfisted move by this administration. Clueless.


16 posted on 03/04/2010 2:56:57 PM PST by naturalized
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
“Did I miss something, or did this happen before I was born (and I’m 68!)”

Yes, in and around 1915. Estimates are 1.5M Christian Armenians killed in ethnic cleansing by Ottoman (Muslim) Turks.

Turkey claims it was more of a civil war and not genocide.

However many of the mass killings were of women and children and quite systematic.

Many think Hitler adopted techniques from the Turks on how to kill massive numbers of people efficiently.

It is interesting Obama was against this resolution because he did not want to upset the Turks.

If Turkey becomes a full blown Islamic state, it could dramatically change the balance of power in the Middle East.

The timing of doing this now, however, is beyond me.

17 posted on 03/04/2010 2:57:25 PM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue for as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Gabrial

This comes up every year. This year however I’m sure Harry Reid has a hand in this thing making it through the Committee this year if you catch my drift...


18 posted on 03/04/2010 2:59:25 PM PST by americanophile
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To: Vigilanteman

Why should a modern secular, democratic government of Turkey dave two hoots and a holler about a resolution condemning the Ottoman regime?

That would be like the Russian government getting its knickers in a knot of a condemnation of Stalin’s pogroms.


19 posted on 03/04/2010 3:00:09 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a One Worlder hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created rope)
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To: Gabrial

What was the purpose of this? It does nothing to change history or does nothing about real genocide today. Why would we want to lash out against a relative (weak) ally in a region where there are avowed enemies? Why further weaken a relationship with a country when we may need to bomb Iran or Syria? This Administration has been one of the worst in history with international relations. Really ironic considering all the crap that Bush caught.


20 posted on 03/04/2010 3:03:08 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: Truth is a Weapon
“Why would we want to lash out against a relative (weak) ally in a region where there are avowed enemies?”

Beats the heck out of me. I don’t think we have anyone steering the bus.

21 posted on 03/04/2010 3:06:58 PM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue for as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: ScreamingFist

ok pal.
Turkey is fast heading in to the moosie camp.
Good ridance.
As for you Pal,
Get a clue.


22 posted on 03/04/2010 3:11:16 PM PST by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs.)
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To: ScreamingFist

You may want to update your post. It was reported last week that the government arrested the heads of the military.


23 posted on 03/04/2010 3:13:52 PM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

“Why would we want to lash out against a relative (weak) ally in a region where there are avowed enemies?<”

Does anyone read anymore?

The Turkish Army is one of the largest standing armies in the world and the second largest army of NATO. The Turkish Army has around 750,000 active personel

The Turkish Air Force is one of the oldest air forces in the world and operates one of the largest combat aircraft fleets of NATO. The Turkish Air Force has around 65,000 active personel.

The Turkish Navy has historically been one of the largest sea powers of the Mediterranean. The Turkish Navy has around 56,000 active personel.


24 posted on 03/04/2010 3:14:16 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: usurper
You may want to update your post. It was reported last week that the government arrested the heads of the military.

Link please.

25 posted on 03/04/2010 3:16:04 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: ScottMerge

I have to ask why the house is suddenly voting on this now of all times. I’ve read elsewhere that the current government of Turkey is as hardline muslim as it’s been in a long while and there is a danger of it causing a constitutional crisis and even turning Turkey from a secular democratic state aligned with the US into an Islamic republic. I don’t trust our current commander in chief as far as I can spit, but I don’t see how grandstanding by the Democrat-controlled congress over the events of almost a century ago can possibly help matters.


26 posted on 03/04/2010 3:17:46 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Joe Boucher
ok pal. Turkey is fast heading in to the moosie camp. Good ridance. As for you Pal, Get a clue.

I'm not your pal. And if you are moron enough to believe that pissing off Turkey as a good idea.......well, you're dumber than you come across as. Pal.

27 posted on 03/04/2010 3:19:18 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: Joe Boucher

Would you like Turkey to be allied with Russia? I bet the Russians would really like that. Think!


28 posted on 03/04/2010 3:19:33 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Gabrial
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29 posted on 03/04/2010 3:20:42 PM PST by Pajama Blogger
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To: ScreamingFist

“Link please.”

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/turkey-arrests-military-officers-over-alleged-coup-plot/19369411


30 posted on 03/04/2010 3:21:53 PM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue for as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Gabrial; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ..

The list, ping


31 posted on 03/04/2010 3:24:37 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Gabrial
Congress is stupid. Obama must be crapping in his pants. If the Turks decide to restrict its airspace and our operations at our air base at Incirlik, we will have logistical problems resupplying our folks in Iraq and Afghanistan.

There is no point in passing this garbarge except to placate Armenian and Greek Americans who hate the Turks. You can bet that Obama and the State Department is in overdrive trying to kill this thing, just like Bush did when they tried this same nonsense.

32 posted on 03/04/2010 3:24:38 PM PST by kabar
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

The One thought that sucking up to everyone in the world would improve our standing. It hasn’t helped us a bit. I would expect Obama to come down on the side that props up the myth that his entire shitty presidency rests on but weakens the US overall. Alienating Turkey is a stupid idea that will only weaken us and Europe.


33 posted on 03/04/2010 3:26:23 PM PST by dr_who
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To: ApplegateRanch

You ask a valid question. But the fact of the matter is that they do. And the resolution does absolutely nothing to help the Armenian vicitms and it does plenty to undermine the war effort.


34 posted on 03/04/2010 3:26:27 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Gabrial

Thanks Gab, I haven’t seen this.


35 posted on 03/04/2010 3:27:04 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: dr_who

I’d rather they admit who they are alinged with rather than to continue to play us for suckers.
In the last week they’ve thrown secularists under the bus.
Turkey is fast becoming a full fledged moosie country.
Look for American bases ther to be thrown out VERY soon.


36 posted on 03/04/2010 3:35:00 PM PST by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs.)
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To: dr_who
Armenian Genocide Resolution Passes US Congress Committee

Over the objections of the Obama administration, the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee (Thursday) passed the nonbinding resolution by a vote of 23 to 22.

Almost immediately, Turkey's government ordered its ambassador to the United States to return to Ankara for consultations.

U.S. President Barack Obama had made a campaign promise in 2008 to declare the killings genocide. But the U.S. has been working with Turkey and Armenia in their reconciliation efforts, which White House officials say have made progress. The administration urged the committee not to offend Turkey by passing the resolution.

Republican Congressman Dan Burton opposed the resolution, pointing out that a U.S. Air Force base in Turkey is vital to American military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Knowing that we may have to take some kind of military action down the road against maybe even Iran, we need to have as many friends in that part of the world as possible," said Dan Burton.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has not said whether the genocide resolution will go to the full House of Representatives for a vote.

The Foreign Affairs Committee approved a similar genocide resolution in 2007. After intensive pressure from then-President George W. Bush, the measure was not brought to the House floor.

37 posted on 03/04/2010 3:35:58 PM PST by kabar
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To: Joe Boucher

Yeah, but how is passing another worthless resolution going to help? Congress is not the world’s chief historian. They can’t even do math right.


38 posted on 03/04/2010 3:38:49 PM PST by dr_who
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To: kabar

This is why we have a chief executive that handles foreign policy... and the country is much better off having a Republican chief executive.


39 posted on 03/04/2010 3:43:43 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Joe Boucher
This is purely for domestic political purposes just like it was in 2007 when the Dems tried this stunt before. It is just poking the Turks, a NATO ally, with a sharp stick that will only backfire and damage our interests in the region. There is no point in Congress getting involved in this very messy and longstanding issue.

Turkey is far more important to our national interests than Armenia, a nation of just 3 million. Turkish Diplomats have been attacked and killed by Armenian terrorists in the 1980s including inside the US.

40 posted on 03/04/2010 3:51:25 PM PST by kabar
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To: ScreamingFist
Here are a few:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460351/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2460249/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2457798/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460887/posts

41 posted on 03/04/2010 3:57:52 PM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: dr_who
I could understand why a Dem congress would want to embarrass Bush in 2007, but I find it surprising that Obama couldn't stop his own party from passing this sh*t. It just detracts from the elections in Iraq. Turkey has already had problems with the Kurds inside Turkey and in Iraq. Now the US has to raise an issue almost a one hundred years ago re Armenians.

We all know the real purpose was to appeal to the 1.5 million Armenain-American vote, especially in CA. There are very few Turks in America.

42 posted on 03/04/2010 3:58:35 PM PST by kabar
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To: ApplegateRanch
That would be like the Russian government getting its knickers in a knot of a condemnation of Stalin’s pogroms.

Try passing a resolution condemning Soviet genocide in the Ukraine. I bet the Russians wouldn't be thrilled with that.

43 posted on 03/04/2010 4:02:44 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: kabar

Armenian culture interests me and I can sympathize with their dislike of Turkey insofar as it resembles the regime that killed Armenians back then, but if we haven’t passed this resolution by now, there’s got to be a very good reason why. And I suspect that it’s because the ripple effect of alienating turkey would be very bad for the country as a whole, even though the Armenian community might not care.


44 posted on 03/04/2010 4:05:45 PM PST by dr_who
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To: kabar

As for Obama being unable to control his own party, look at what he’s accomplished with healthcare so far and his apparent about-face on Turkey after the election. This isn’t too surprising. Resembles the Carter era.


45 posted on 03/04/2010 4:08:18 PM PST by dr_who
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To: usurper
Here are a few:

Yes, thanks, I'm obviously behind on this.

46 posted on 03/04/2010 4:11:28 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: dr_who
It is about domestic votes. Berman's district has lots of Armenians.

Can you imagine if the Turkish parliament passed a resolution condemning American genocide against the native Americans? Or lynchings of blacks?

Just like so many issues, the case of Turkish genocide against the Armenians is not shut and closed. There are two sides to this story. And the 27 attacks perpetrated against Turkish diplomats and their facilities in the 1980s by Armenian terrorists must be part of the context. A US Congrsssional resolution could reignite such attacks.

The pulling of the Turkish ambassador is just the beginning if the Administration doesn't stop this at the committee level.

47 posted on 03/04/2010 4:13:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: dr_who

His about-face on Turkey is due to the changed political reality. It is one thing to say something about Turkish genocide as a senator or candidate, but now he has the responsibility for dealing with the consequences as President. The Turks can make life a little more difficult for our CIC in the region.


48 posted on 03/04/2010 4:17:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Can you imagine if the Turkish parliament passed a resolution condemning American genocide against the native Americans? Or lynchings of blacks?

Yeah, sounds exactly like something a less friendly muzzie country or the PLO would do to make their Israel-hating constituents/subjects/peons happy.
49 posted on 03/04/2010 4:26:03 PM PST by dr_who
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To: kabar

Are you suggesting that the genocide was sort of like the conflicts in the Balkans?


50 posted on 03/04/2010 4:27:43 PM PST by dr_who
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