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Vatican hit by gay sex scandal
Guardian ^ | March 4th 2010 | John Hooper in Romei

Posted on 03/05/2010 9:49:59 AM PST by Cardhu

Vatican chorister sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for papal gentleman-in-waiting.

The Vatican was today rocked by a sex scandal reaching into Pope Benedict's household after a chorister was sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting.

Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, was caught by police on a wiretap allegedly negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Vatican chorister, over the specific physical details of men he wanted brought to him. Transcripts in the possession of the Guardian suggest that numerous men may have been procured for Balducci, at least one of whom was studying for the priesthood.

The explosive claims about Balducci's private life have caused grave embarrassment to the Vatican, which has yet to publicly comment on the affair.

While Catholicism does not condemn homosexuality outright, its teaching is that homosexual acts "are intrinsically disordered". The Catechism of the Catholic church states unequivocally: "Under no circumstances can they be approved."

Balducci was arrested on 10 February, suspected of involvement in widespread corruption. A senior Italian government official, he is alleged to have to steered public works contracts towards favoured bidders. He has not been charged.

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1 posted on 03/05/2010 9:49:59 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

What is it about the Catholic church and gays being everywhere? What ever happened to affairs with women when seeking to sin?


2 posted on 03/05/2010 9:51:56 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Cardhu
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3 posted on 03/05/2010 9:52:46 AM PST by Pajama Blogger
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To: Cardhu
he is alleged to have to steered public works contracts towards favoured bidders.

And we'd probably rather not hear any spsecifics about why they were "favored" . . .

4 posted on 03/05/2010 9:53:44 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Pajama Blogger

SHOCKED!! I tell you.


5 posted on 03/05/2010 9:54:46 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: ConservativeMind
What is it with the US Military and gays being everywhere? What ever happened to affairs with the opposite sex when violating the UCMJ against adultery and sodomy?

(I ask because a certain USN Captain, who was just relieved of command, has a definite "DADT" look about her.)

6 posted on 03/05/2010 9:55:53 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cardhu

Absolutely appalling - just what the Church needs!


7 posted on 03/05/2010 9:57:06 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Cardhu

How close is a “Gentleman to the Pope” to the Pope? Is this like his butler, or is it an honorific title given to someone who has done charity work or something?


8 posted on 03/05/2010 9:58:10 AM PST by married21
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To: Cardhu

While Catholicism does not condemn homosexuality outright, its teaching is that homosexual acts “are intrinsically disordered”. The Catechism of the Catholic church states unequivocally: “Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

So, the Catholic church believes they can’t “approve” homosexual acts, that such acts are “disordered,” but homosexual acts are apparently not “sinful,” or they would be condemned by the Catholic church and God “outright?”

What do you Catholics have to say about this? Protestants would say the Bible is all that need condemn it. Apparently the Pope and the Catholic church don’t see homosexual acts as sinful, so does this mean that God and Christ don’t have a problem with such acts?


9 posted on 03/05/2010 9:58:13 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

He was only checking their assets to see if they were able to honor their bids.


10 posted on 03/05/2010 9:58:18 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

The pope has “gentlemen-in-waiting”? sheesh. Just like Jesus, I guess.


11 posted on 03/05/2010 9:58:41 AM PST by T Minus Four (Christians follow Christ, not other Christians.)
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To: married21

Never heard of them before but I suppose it is like Ladies in Waiting, a sort of honorific title.


12 posted on 03/05/2010 9:59:54 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: ConservativeMind

I have no idea what the catholic stand is from a dogma point of view. Maybe a Catholic can tell us.


13 posted on 03/05/2010 10:02:30 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
This is of course the usual garbage you expect from the UK media -- and it's the Guardian, so it's left-wing UK media -- whenever the Catholic Church is concerned.

As it eventually explains, Balducci is an official of the Italian government, not the Vatican. (IOW, he's not a priest, not the Pope's right hand man, doesn't tuck him in at night, etc., etc., etc.)

He holds an honorific title as a "Gentleman of His Holiness," which the article describes as a "ceremonial usher".

I don't think the "Vatican chorister" is a priest, either. He's a singer.

To put it in terms that a British audience would understand, it's as though someone the Queen had knighted was consorting with a minor employee of Buckingham palace to procure homosexual partners.

"Palace, Queen Rocked By Gay Sex Scandal" ... no, somehow I can't see it. Only if the Pope is involved somehow.

14 posted on 03/05/2010 10:03:13 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: ConservativeMind

I am not a Roman Catholic. However, there is not another body I know of that more thoroughly rejects homosexuality. Likewise, with abortion. I know of no body that more completely rejects abortion.

My sense is that enemies target with infiltration and embarrassment those groups that oppose them. Their hope is to: (1) be elevated to important positions from which they can change the policies of the organization, or (2) injure the organization.


15 posted on 03/05/2010 10:04:11 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Cardhu

There is a ‘Bishop’ involved in this, too.


16 posted on 03/05/2010 10:07:43 AM PST by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
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To: ConservativeMind
What is it about the Catholic church and gays being everywhere?

You would believe that... if your only source of news is the MSM. When you're the biggest target in the world, every shot is a bulls eye.

17 posted on 03/05/2010 10:10:17 AM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: ConservativeMind

Entering the priesthood is an ideal cover for a homosexual man who does not want to come out of the closet, does not want to be questioned about not being married, and wants to hold a very respected position. Having a position of authority and very good access to young boys is an added bonus.

Unfortunately, because priests are not allowed to marry, this closes the door to most normal men who might otherwise want to serve. This puts the catholic church in the position of being somewhat desperate, and therefore less discriminating.

Allow priests to marry and the problem would be greatly alleviated. I would think the priesthood is a very attractive position for a homosexual.


18 posted on 03/05/2010 10:11:30 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: ConservativeMind
So, the Catholic church believes they can’t “approve” homosexual acts, that such acts are “disordered,” but homosexual acts are apparently not “sinful,” or they would be condemned by the Catholic church and God “outright?”

I am -- yes -- an actual Catholic. Really, truly.

Nothing in the mass media, especially nothing in the UK mass media, and most especially not the Guardian -- a socialist newspaper -- is a reliable source of information on anything Catholic, most particularly doctrine.

Catholic teaching is that all sexual acts, except for marital intercourse open to life, are "gravely disordered". That's moral theologian-speak for, "If you do them freely and know what you're doing, they're seriously sinful."

Homosexual acts are additionally "intrinsically disordered," which means that the act itself is what is wrong, and can't be "fixed" by a different set of circumstances. (Unlike, e.g., heterosexual sex outside marriage, which is the same act that married people do.)

When the article says "Catholicism does not condemn homosexuality outright", what they are apparently pointing out is that the Church does not say that a homosexual orientation is sinful. It's not; it's merely a specific kind of temptation to a particular kind of sin, just like kleptomania is a specific kind of temptation to the particular sin of theft.

I hope that makes the situation a bit clearer.

19 posted on 03/05/2010 10:11:34 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: ConservativeMind

Nah, that’s not the Church talking, it’s the Communist Guardian, taking the Church’s words and, of course, twisting them.

Homosexuality is a disorder, and homosexual acts are intrinsically evil and sinful. In brief, the Church teaches that homosexuals should try to change, but if they cannot, then they should refrain from homosexual acts.

Where the Guardian gets its twist from is that the Church teaches that homosexuals are not evil per se, but disordered. The evil is if they give in to their urges and act on them. But homosexuals should be helped, not attacked. The basic principle is “Hate the sin but not the sinner.”


20 posted on 03/05/2010 10:13:05 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cardhu

No, no, no! When he said he wanted “bigger, longer and uncut”, he just wanted to watch the South Park movie.


21 posted on 03/05/2010 10:13:09 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: ConservativeMind
What is it about the Catholic church and gays being everywhere?

The whole thing about avoiding sex probably appeals mightily to conflicted gays trying to escape their urges.
22 posted on 03/05/2010 10:13:42 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: JudyinCanada

So what’s your explanation for public schools, where far more sexual abuse of kids takes place?


23 posted on 03/05/2010 10:13:46 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: pgyanke

No, it’s not just the MSM, it’s all sorts of people trying to defend the Catholic church from within who are writing the books on these perverted matters. Amazon is filled with Catholics describing these homosexual problems.


24 posted on 03/05/2010 10:14:23 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: ConservativeMind

The Catholic Church was infiltrated by homosexuals and pedophiles centuries ago. They are trying to keep a lid on it but one of the greatest scandals in human history is about to see the light of day.


25 posted on 03/05/2010 10:14:24 AM PST by libertybell
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To: Cardhu
While Catholicism does not condemn homosexuality outright, its teaching is that homosexual acts "are intrinsically disordered".

You can always count on the British media's incompetence (and dishonesty) when it comes to reporting on anything touching the Catholic Church.

1. Catholicism DOES condemn homosexuality outright.

Catholicism does not condemn HOMOSEXUALS outright, UNLESS they engage in homosexual acts.

26 posted on 03/05/2010 10:14:42 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Campion

It is probably all that you say - but what a strange place to contact your own procurer unless he is a well know go-to guy among the cognoscenti for that sort of thing.


27 posted on 03/05/2010 10:16:10 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: ConservativeMind

no - what the church teaches is that having the homosexual attraction itself is not “sinful” unless it is acted upon.

Similarly - being tempted to drink too much alcohol is not, itself, a sin - unless acted upon.

The homosexuality is considered a disordered nature - something that causes internal struggle, but is not considered “sinful” until the person engages in the behavior.


28 posted on 03/05/2010 10:16:18 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: married21

It is an honorific title given to someone who is allowed to volunteer his services as an usher at papal events for a brief period each year.

A “gentiluomo” is most definitely NOT a member of the papal household.


29 posted on 03/05/2010 10:16:28 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: ConservativeMind
So, the Catholic church believes they can’t “approve” homosexual acts, that such acts are “disordered,” but homosexual acts are apparently not “sinful,” or they would be condemned by the Catholic church and God “outright?”

The Guardian has its journalistic head up its posterior.

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

In quick terms:

Someone who is tempted to commit sodomy is not committing a sin by being afflicted by such temptation.

Someone who commits sodomy sins gravely.

30 posted on 03/05/2010 10:18:12 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JudyinCanada

So your thinking is that Priests turn to young boys because they can’t marry? So why are there never any young girls molested?


31 posted on 03/05/2010 10:18:21 AM PST by libertybell
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To: RichInOC

I would be interesting to see his list of specifacations - we would know what is HOT and what is NOT on the Italian scene.


32 posted on 03/05/2010 10:18:50 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cicero

So the newspaper got that screwed up. You’ve just described how Protestants also look at homosexuals versus homosexual acts. No problem there, then, and that seems the right way to interpret the Bible, too.


33 posted on 03/05/2010 10:19:15 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: xzins
I am not a Roman Catholic. However, there is not another body I know of that more thoroughly rejects homosexuality. Likewise, with abortion. I know of no body that more completely rejects abortion.

Thank you, sir.

34 posted on 03/05/2010 10:21:28 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

However, you posted nothing from the Catholic church saying that sodomy was a sin, if done.


35 posted on 03/05/2010 10:21:41 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: ConservativeMind
So the newspaper got that screwed up.

The Guardian is a notorious far-left rag. It's probably more of a far-left rag than any daily paper in the US. It's politically closer to something like Mother Jones or The Nation.

You can -- for the most part -- read what the Guardian says, and then believe the opposite.

36 posted on 03/05/2010 10:23:11 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion
Okay, I can agree with the majority of what you've said. That said, can you point to where this is true in official Catholic teachings:

Catholic teaching is that all sexual acts, except for marital intercourse open to life, are “gravely disordered”. That's moral theologian-speak for, “If you do them freely and know what you're doing, they're seriously sinful.”

37 posted on 03/05/2010 10:24:15 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Cardhu
Vatican chorister sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for papal gentleman-in-waiting.

Are these two of the 'shovel ready' jobs Obama created?

38 posted on 03/05/2010 10:24:48 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Cardhu

easy. love them. they are sick (disordered). they should not act on their disordered urges. pray they can be helped. that’s about all.


39 posted on 03/05/2010 10:25:47 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: ConservativeMind; ArrogantBustard
Actually, he did:

tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Anything "contrary to the natural law" is objectively a sin, by definition.

The catechism uses the technical term "disordered" rather than "sin" because they're talking about acts in objective terms. When an individual freely and willfully does a "disordered act", that's sin.

40 posted on 03/05/2010 10:26:25 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Cardhu

Catholicism has been a gay sex scandal for most of the past two millennia.


41 posted on 03/05/2010 10:27:51 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: ConservativeMind
141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

There you go. "Sin" consists in willingly engaging in an evil act, with the knowledge that it is evil. Homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered ... contrary to the natural law" ..." That covers the "evil act" part. The Catechism is written to a Catholic audience, and should be interpreted from a Catholic POV. An action may be evil, disordered, even sinful ... but a specific instance of that action isn't an actual sin, unless the person who does it knows it's wrong and does it anyway. Lack of knowledge, and lack of consent may be mitigating factors in actual guilt.

42 posted on 03/05/2010 10:28:45 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cardhu; ConservativeMind
Apparently the Pope and the Catholic church don’t see homosexual acts as sinful, so does this mean that God and Christ don’t have a problem with such acts?

From the Catechism:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

The Definition of Sin according to the Catechism:

1849 Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience; it is failure in genuine love for God and neighbor caused by a perverse attachment to certain goods. It wounds the nature of man and injures human solidarity. It has been defined as "an utterance, a deed, or a desire contrary to the eternal law."

1850 Sin is an offense against God: "Against you, you alone, have I sinned, and done that which is evil in your sight." Sin sets itself against God's love for us and turns our hearts away from it. Like the first sin, it is disobedience, a revolt against God through the will to become "like gods," knowing and determining good and evil. Sin is thus "love of oneself even to contempt of God." In this proud self-exaltation, sin is diametrically opposed to the obedience of Jesus, which achieves our salvation.

It comes down to the will. Man can do many things that are contrary to God's Will and Law... but to be sinful, the man must do it in knowing rebellion to or rejection of God. Therefore, an act--by itself--can be "disordered" and "against the natural law" but not necessarily sinful. The person committing the act makes it sinful by the participation of his will. Only God can judge the heart.

43 posted on 03/05/2010 10:29:13 AM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: Campion

Well said.


44 posted on 03/05/2010 10:29:34 AM PST by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: Campion

Thank you. See also #42.


45 posted on 03/05/2010 10:29:43 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ConservativeMind
See post 40 WRT specifically to homosexual acts.

The definition of "gravely disordered" is a matter of common terminology used by moral theologians.

The Wikipedia article on the topic seems pretty complete and accurate to me.

46 posted on 03/05/2010 10:30:55 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: JudyinCanada
This puts the catholic church in the position of being somewhat desperate, and therefore less discriminating.

BS! There are bad apples in every calling... but the Church has a high concentration of very good men and women united in their devotion to Christ. What you posted is a baseless slander.

47 posted on 03/05/2010 10:31:46 AM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: JudyinCanada
Allow priests to marry and the problem would be greatly alleviated.

Given that this story doesn't involve a priest, that would help in this case exactly how?

Perhaps Europeans should be allowed to marry. Oh...never mind.

Seriously, it is idiotic to think that homosexuals in the priesthood are sodomizing one another and others simply because they are forbidden to marry.

How do you explain public school teachers?

48 posted on 03/05/2010 10:34:46 AM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: meadsjn

“It was during this investigation into corruption that wiretaps revealed his alleged sexual activity. In one conversation, Ehiem tells Balducci: “I saw your call when I was in the Vatican, because I was doing rehearsals … in the choir … in St Peter’s.” He then suggests Balducci meet a man who he describes is “two metres tall … 97 kilos … aged 33, completely active.”

Balducci is also a senior adviser to the Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples, the department that oversees the Roman Catholic church’s worldwide missionary activities.

Since 1995, he has been a member of one of the world’s most exclusive fraternities – the Gentlemen of His Holiness, or Papal Gentlemen, the ceremonial ushers of the papal household. In the words of a 1968 ordinance, they are expected to “distinguish themselves for the good of souls and the glory of the name of the Lord”.


49 posted on 03/05/2010 10:37:09 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: xzins

“My sense is that enemies target with infiltration and embarrassment those groups that oppose them. Their hope is to: (1) be elevated to important positions from which they can change the policies of the organization, or (2) injure the organization.”

This is exactly how the sodomites and other leftists operate. The Catholics set the stage for trouble, however, with Vatican II.

All of the church, and not just the RC, needs to make it clear that homosexual acts, bestial acts, etc. are sin, what evils these deviants really are responsible for, and find them in our organizations and cast them out and make sure none slip back in.


50 posted on 03/05/2010 10:41:38 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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