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Mitt Romney on Health Care Overhaul (Your World with Neil Cavuto)
FoxNews.com ^ | 03-05-10 | Neil Cavuto

Posted on 03/05/2010 11:17:37 AM PST by GOP_Lady

NEIL CAVUTO, ANCHOR: More closed-door meetings on health care. The president and members of his own party now pow-wowing in private over the very next move.

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney telling me they’re doing it all wrong. And he knows. He overhauled health care when he was running Massachusetts and says that his plan was nothing like the president’s now.

More of my chat with Mitt Romney and his wife, Ann.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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To: Peter Horry
Lot of that going around, get used to it.

**********************

Perhaps you might take your own advice.

51 posted on 03/05/2010 2:42:59 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Peter Horry

Oh boo hoo. Your posting history is quite clear. You discredit yourself, so don’t blame those of us who see through your little games.


52 posted on 03/05/2010 2:43:37 PM PST by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
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To: Peter Horry

“Frankly, I think that characterization is pretty rude. “

Refering to this, if anyone had any doubts.


53 posted on 03/05/2010 2:43:54 PM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: trisham

“Perhaps you might take your own advice.”

Didn’t start this, but won’t run from it. Seems you have Chosen your sides. looks like this little group likes to gang up on other posters, we will see where this goes.

I impression is, they would go ACORN on poster they disagree with, if they could.


54 posted on 03/05/2010 2:50:16 PM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: Peter Horry; All

Have to leave now, so will read the post about the “coward running away” later.


55 posted on 03/05/2010 2:54:05 PM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: Peter Horry
Didn’t start this, but won’t run from it. Seems you have Chosen your sides. looks like this little group likes to gang up on other posters, we will see where this goes. I impression is, they would go ACORN on poster they disagree with, if they could.

***************************

Of course you "started it". You posted an adversarial post to someone on this thread.

My side is the side of honesty about a politician who appears to be campaigning for the presidency of this country. I consider that to be of vital importance.

This "group" seems to be comprised of those who believe that Romney has a history of liberal concerns and actions. Should they be silenced?

"Acorn"? Now I am disappointed.

56 posted on 03/05/2010 2:58:49 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Peter Horry

I don’t consider you to be a coward.


57 posted on 03/05/2010 3:00:12 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Peter Horry
No one can discredit you more than yourself.
You sleep with an abomination.


58 posted on 03/05/2010 3:15:30 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Peter Horry
"I'm not running as the Republican view or a continuation of Republican values.
That's not what brings me to the race.

(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)



"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
 over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
 to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn’t make any sense at all.""

--  President Ronald Reagan



"I'm very clear I think, to the people across the Commonwealth
my "R" didn't stand so much for Republican as it does for reform.
"
(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)



"A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs
 which must not be compromised to political expediency
or simply to swell its numbers."

--  President Ronald Reagan

59 posted on 03/05/2010 3:18:20 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Diogenesis
Governor Palin was the overwhelming choice of [the 150] freepers who voted!

On the other hand, previous freeper favorites included electoral non-factors Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson.

60 posted on 03/05/2010 3:18:48 PM PST by Dagnabitt (What (child) would Mohammad do?)
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To: GOP_Lady
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney telling me they’re doing it all wrong. And he knows.

Oh?

Just HOW does he KNOW?

Is HE sitting in with the Presidents men; behind CLOSED DOORS?

61 posted on 03/05/2010 3:49:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Peter Horry
Just so you don’t confused again, this is also addressed to Mr. Robinson only for his information.

Oh yeah!!

THIS'll help!

62 posted on 03/05/2010 3:51:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Peter Horry
So as long as I am a member and contributor I will continue to make posts that I consider to be within the guidelines of this forum and pertinent to the subject or in response to posters that attack me or others. He can also end my involvement in this forum.

One more thing, if you didn’t realize it. This forum is supported by contributions and its value is from the knowledge and experience of it’s many posters as well as the posts of Mr. Robinson. You should have enough respect for your fellow posters, as well as Mr. Robinson, to make this forum the best it can be and effective in promoting conservative principles and supporting candidates that share those values/principles.

 

 

Typical Romney idea:

My money can buy anything...


63 posted on 03/05/2010 3:54:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Romney raised huge amounts of money by pimping Scott Brown’s campaign.
But Mitt RomneyCARE kept the money for HIMSELF.

1) “Generous” billionaire Mitt gave Brown only $4500
of the money he raised.

2) After the pimping was over, McCain had actually given more. ROTFLOL.

“Romney (from his last lost presidential run still) had $1.1 million left in the bank.
He contributed $4,500 [that is 0.4% of other peoples’ money ] to Republican Scott Brown,
who was elected US senator from Massachusetts on Jan. 19.
McCain topped Romney’s donation to Brown’s campaign,
chipping in $5,000 from his PAC,
according to the commission. -- BLOOMBERG NEWS”

64 posted on 03/05/2010 4:05:15 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: trisham

65 posted on 03/05/2010 4:28:18 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady

Imho, constantly posting pro-Romney threads is spam.


66 posted on 03/05/2010 4:29:23 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: rintense

WARNING: The internet isn't always a nice place of
TRUE CONSERVATIVE values:

To: Chet 99

Huckabee says what he wants in his own name.
Unlike GOP-traitor Mitt Romney's and his minions' knives fresh with the coppery smell of Gov.Palin's and her childrens' blood on them all done secretly, through junior staff's spouses.

143 posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 5:12:53 PM by Diogenesis

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2133719/posts?page=143#143

To: restornu

The might had made a good team had not Team Romney stabbed Gov. Palin (and America) in the heart

240 posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:10:37 PM by Diogenesis

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2435243/posts?page=240#240


67 posted on 03/05/2010 4:30:04 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady

A FEW REFERENCES SUPPORTING THE ATTACKS BY TEAM ROMNEY
AGAINST GOV. PALIN ---- SHAME ON THEM.

The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++8 to 10 pts. in some polls, days prior to the election.
So rather than helping the GOP, poor loser “I am Myth” Romney and
TeamROMNEY decided …… to attack Gov. Palin (and her defenseless children) to throw Election2008.

"Frum was indeed a critic of Palin, calling her nomination a "huge mistake" during an October 13 (2008, weeks before the election) Early Show appearance."


David Frum: "Two of our most plausible candidates for president in 2012 are leading Mormons: Mitt Romney and Utah governor Jon Huntsman."


David Frum: "I have a lot of regard for Mitt Romney as a man and politician… I will support him without qualm."


Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers…
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide…
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."


The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"I’m told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palin’s people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romney’s former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
… aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.


Erick Erickson, who organized Operation Leper, said:
"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off ….hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


Kathleen Parker: "[I]t is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem." "Parker ... says something publicly that many of us have thought privately
but lacked the courage to say out loud - Palin should step down:"


"Kathleen Parker: After Interviews, Palin Should Bow Out"


Kathleen Parker: "Romney would bring more than squeaky clean qualifications
and youthful good looks to the ticket.
Romney would seem a logical choice."


"Parker: Romney raised bar on freedoms"
Kathleen Parker: "If Kennedy's speech was an important landmark in American political history,
Romney's was surpassing. With heartfelt humility and poetic eloquence,
he tracked the nation's struggle with and for freedom."


Staggering bigotry of Kathleen Parker - UPDATED"


Who benefits most from Sanford meltdown? Californian (that's right) Mitt Romney


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"



68 posted on 03/05/2010 4:34:07 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GOP_Lady

STOP POSTING TO ME -— Go back to DU.


69 posted on 03/05/2010 4:34:31 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: trisham; GOP_Lady
RE: posting pro-Romney threads is spam.

You got that right. The continual pimping of Romney, a flaming statist, on FR is designed to bully conservatives into acquiescence. Every single Romney sycophant should be summarily shown the door.

70 posted on 03/05/2010 4:35:21 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I do agree. Romney must not be allowed to gain traction.


71 posted on 03/05/2010 4:37:05 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

GOP_Lady (RomneyBOT): I was born on the first day of Leo,
and lions are leaders, fighters and protectors"

Now we know why GOP_Lady is always "lyin'" for Mitt RomneyCARE.

72 posted on 03/05/2010 4:41:14 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Diogenesis

I do not understand the goal of those who would use this site to promote Romney. It could not be more clear that his history and agenda are not conservative.


73 posted on 03/05/2010 4:43:56 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: big'ol_freeper; trisham

I don’t understand how anybody can call themselves a conservative and support a lefty like Romney.


74 posted on 03/05/2010 4:47:50 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Allegra; Diogenesis
The amount of information about Romney is conclusive: he is no conservative, and his candidacy will do nothing but harm our ability to promote a conservative candidate. It's unacceptable.

If he truly cares about this country he will withdraw.

75 posted on 03/05/2010 4:51:41 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GOP_Lady

I think Mitt should sue Obama for copyright infringement. Barry stole Willard’s horrendous, socialist healthcare plan and put his name on it.

Has Obama no shame, stealing Mitt’s ideas? Next thing you know, he’ll be strapping Bo the White House dog to the roof of his Limo and driving cross country.


76 posted on 03/05/2010 4:58:00 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Diogenesis
Leave the precious alone!!
77 posted on 03/05/2010 4:59:10 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: trisham; Diogenesis
RE: I do not understand the goal of those who would use this site to promote Romney. It could not be more clear that his history and agenda are not conservative.

I absolutely do. It is not to persuade. It is to label (bigots) and silence opposition.

I am not a big Glenn Beck fan, but it has everything to do with progressives, in this case in the GOP, trying to marginalize and silence conservatives.

78 posted on 03/05/2010 5:02:21 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Allegra

Ping to #78. This is what I think.


79 posted on 03/05/2010 5:03:16 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper

WRONG!!! I think we all just want to see some FAIR and DECENT posting. We don’t need spam, and we certainly don’t need garbage. One can disagree, but there’s not a thing wrong with being disagreeable. It’s about being decent, respectable and adult-like. THINK about it.


80 posted on 03/05/2010 5:50:02 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Diogenesis

81 posted on 03/05/2010 5:52:13 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady
want to see some FAIR and DECENT posting

About a liberal? Why?

We don’t need spam, and we certainly don’t need garbage.

Then PLEASE stop posting about Romney. HE IS ANATHEMA to conservatives.

Take your trash to DU.

82 posted on 03/05/2010 5:53:59 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: GOP_Lady; Diogenesis

That’s not a lion. That’s a lioness. But I am guessing you know more about being a lyiness than a lyin.


83 posted on 03/05/2010 5:55:37 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Diogenesis

Post 59

I think if anything you posted on this thread would “get my Irish up”, this would be it. I know nothing of you, except for the opinion I have formed from your posts, but I see none of the attributes of this man in you. Your use of this material illustrates how self serving you are.

Pres. Reagan had great strength and character as well as remarkable compassion (the one I remember most was his getting on his knees so a blind child could feel his face, no camera, staffer happened to observe it).

I see only callousness and anger in your posts and your name calling and false accusations as well as targeting a deluge of, what I consider, spam at people you target shows none of his character... you should be ashamed.


84 posted on 03/05/2010 9:58:14 PM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: trisham

post 48

“If someone disagrees with you, are they simply “throwing feces””

Nope, but I do view posts that make false accusations, and engage in ridicule and insult similar to feces throwing.

“Frankly, I think that characterization is pretty rude.”

I feel the same about the key words posted for most of the Romney threads. What do you think of those.

“Of course you “started it”. You posted an adversarial post to someone on this thread. “

A review of the thread would reveal otherwise, perhaps you aren’t capable of that.

“My side is the side of honesty about a politician who appears to be campaigning for the presidency of this country. I consider that to be of vital importance.”

Actually your side’s honesty seems, at times, like the ethics of Nancy Pelosi, it is subjective.

“”Acorn”? Now I am disappointed.”

I have no doubt that a group that engages in ridicule, insult and intimidation here would just as readily do it in a physical form, maybe even resort to violence. That was the basic of my ACORN comment. Sorry is you find this uncomfortable.


85 posted on 03/05/2010 9:59:31 PM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: Elsie

Post 63

You post is so ignorant I have to respond to it.

You either are’t capable of understanding it or you diliberately twisted it to make your silly little point. Let me explain it to you.

1. The contributors are like share holders, they supply the capital They all contribute to this site because they want to engage in discussions (to learn, share ideas, and perhaps sharper their skills), promote their individual views as well as candidates that share their views.

If enough are dissatisfied with this site it will cease to exist or Jim Robinson will have to find alternative funding. That’s just the way things work.

2. The other part of the success of this site is the reputation or prestige that it has earned. Jim Robinson is a vital part of this but it goes far beyond him. It is because, like I posted, of the knowledge and experiences of hundreds of posters.

These posts are what draws people to this site and prompts talk show hosts and blogges to come come here for material. They don’t come here for trite posts full of rancor and duberous accuracy, continue in this direction and the site will loose it’s reputation and it’s effective.


86 posted on 03/05/2010 10:00:52 PM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: Peter Horry; All

Goodnight all, will check back the first of the week, maybe even Sunday evening.

It was an interesting discussion, perhaps we can continue it on a fresh thread, maybe a different subject. I have many interests and opinions.


87 posted on 03/05/2010 10:08:21 PM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: Peter Horry
They don’t come here for trite posts full of rancor and duberous accuracy, continue in this direction and the site will loose it’s reputation and it’s effective.

Yeah!

I've noticed that those INACCURATE links to stuff never seem to get rebutted with the TRUTH; but with CLAIMS that they are untruthful.

I wonder why?

88 posted on 03/06/2010 3:50:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Peter Horry
You either are’t capable of understanding it or you diliberately twisted it to make your silly little point.

Only TWO choices?

89 posted on 03/06/2010 3:52:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Peter Horry
Goodnight all, will check back the first of the week, maybe even Sunday evening.

DANG!

I got here too late to keep you from running off!

I want you to comment on the IGNORANCE of post #64.

90 posted on 03/06/2010 3:54:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Peter Horry
It was an interesting discussion, perhaps we can continue it on a fresh thread, maybe a different subject.

Why?

What's wrong with THIS one?

91 posted on 03/06/2010 3:55:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Peter Horry; ConjunctionJunction; Al B.; SolidWood; Leisler; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; ...

You are truly a malignant RomneyBOT.

Anyone who DARES post about Romney’s behavior
“should be ashamed”, so you, a malignant RomneyBOT, claim.

Any who posts a URL to another thread is “throwing feces”,
so you, the malignant RomneyBOT claims.

BS. You should be ashamed for not having a ‘warning label’,
like your Master whom who you serve, and by being
so disingenuous and distruptive.


92 posted on 03/06/2010 3:58:29 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Peter Horry; ConjunctionJunction; Al B.; SolidWood; Leisler; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; ...
President Reagan would have THROWN Romney out for his
Marxism, lying, proObama treachery, etc.

"A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs
 which must not be compromised to political expediency
or simply to swell its numbers."

--  President Ronald Reagan


"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
 over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
 to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn’t make any sense at all.""

--  President Ronald Reagan



Election2008-spoiler Mitt Romney chortles,
as he inflicts his version of socialized medicine (HillaryCARE=ROmneyCARE)
as the Dictator he was, upon the Massachusetts citizenss.


"Massachusetts Universal Healthcare System Breaking Down Already
When Governor Mitt Romney instituted a universal healthcare plan for Massachusetts in 2006 he proclaimed it a conservative idea.
But has it worked? Has it been successful?
For a time, many thought it might but cracks in the system are already being seen.
These cracks are instructive as a lesson on how Obamacare will crash and burn just like Romneycare is now in the process of doing.

One of the early claims that helped push Romneycare through to law was the insistence by its supporters that Emergency Room visits would fall as more and more citizens became covered under healthcare insurance.
Since ER care is far more expensive than a doctor's care, it was thought that more people with insurance would ease the overcrowding of ERs as well as lower the overall costs of healthcare.
However, a flaw in this logic has been seen throughout the state. As more people became insured, more people demanded the care of doctors. These doctors became overloaded with patients and waiting lists for doctors got longer and longer.
As a result, ERs in Massachusetts have not seen a downturn in visits. On the contrary, it seems that ER visits are actually on the upswing in the Bay State. In fact, in 2007 they were higher than the national average by 20 percent...


"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
"Three years ago, the former Massachusetts Governor had the inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country.
It is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for everyone else.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis, Governor Deval Patrick and his Democratic colleagues are starting to move down the path that government health plans always follow when spending collides with reality -- i.e., price controls.
As costs continue to rise, the inevitable results are coverage restrictions and waiting periods. It was only a matter of time.

They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006.

What really whipped along RomneyCare were claims that health care would be less expensive if everyone were covered.
But reducing costs while increasing access are irreconcilable issues.
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."


A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
"The Daily News Record, Harrisonburg, Va. - 2009-03-31 "
"For folks increasingly leery of President Obama’s plan to radically overhaul America’s health-care system,
or 17 percent of the nation’s economy, all this could hardly have come at a better time —
that is, fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney’s brainchild, Massachusetts’ “grand experiment” in “universal” health care."

"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
“RomneyCare” is threatening to bankrupt the state. Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million,
or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents,
has caused Massachusetts’ overall expenditures on all health-related programs to jump an astounding 42 percent since 2006.

So what does Mr. Romney’s successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, propose as a remedy for these skyrocketing costs?
Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) — price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage.
As in Europe and Canada, so too in Massachusetts. And, we feel certain, everyone from Mr. Romney to Mr. Patrick said, “It would never happen here.”
But then, such things are inevitable when best-laid plans, with all their monstrous costs, run smack-dab into fiscal reality.


"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust over three years, a damning Healthcare Commission report said.
The watchdog's investigation found inadequately trained staff who were too few in number, junior doctors left alone in charge at night and patients left without food, drink or medication as their operations were repeatedly cancelled.
Patients were left in pain or forced to sit in soiled bedding for hours at a time and were not given their regular medication, the Commission heard.
Receptionists with no medical training were expected to assess patients coming in to A&E, some of whom needed urgent care.
Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, said there had been a "gross and terrible breach" of patients' trust and a "complete failure of leadership".
The Healthcare Commission's chairman Sir Ian Kennedy said the investigation followed concerns about a higher than normal death rate at the Trust, which senior managers could not explain.
He said: "The resulting report is a shocking story. Our report tells a story of appalling standards of care and chaotic systems for looking after patients. These are words I have not previously used in any report.
"There were inadequacies in almost every stage of caring for patients. There was no doubt that patients will have suffered and some of them will have died as a result."
Julie Bailey, 47, was so concerned about the care being given to her 86-year-old mother Bella at Stafford Hospital that she and her relatives slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."


Thousands of patients with terminal cancer were dealt a blow last night after a decision was made to deny them life prolonging drugs.
The Government's rationing body said two drugs for advanced breast cancer and a rare form of stomach cancer were too expensive for the NHS.
The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is expected to confirm guidance in the next few weeks that will effectively ban their use.
The move comes despite a pledge by Nice to be more flexible in giving life-extending drugs
to terminally-ill cancer patients after a public outcry last year over 'death sentence' decisions."


"Patients Forced To Wait Hours In Ambulances Parked Outside A&E Departments
"An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has found that thousands of 999 patients are being left to wait in ambulances in car parks and holding bays, or in hospital corridors – in some cases for more than five hours – before they can even join the queue for urgent treatment.

Experts warn that hospitals are deliberately delaying when they accept patients – or are diverting them to different sites –
in order to meet Government targets to treat people within fours hours of admitting them."


"Access-to-care problems are resurfacing in Mass.
AMA News - Massachusetts' Commonwealth Connector health reforms have reduced the state's uninsured population to less than 3% of residents, the lowest among all states.
But a recent survey found an uptick last fall in adults reporting difficulty accessing certain types of care."


"Massachusetts: 26% Consider State’s Health Care Reform a Success (37% a failure)
Rasmussen Reports June 29, 2009
Twenty-six percent (26%) of Massachusetts voters say their state’s health care reform effort has been a success.
A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state finds that 37% say the reform effort has been a failure, while another 37% are not sure.
Only 10% of Bay State voters say the quality of health care has gotten better as a result of the reform plan while 29% say it has gotten worse.
Most (53%) say the quality of care has not changed. The Massachusetts Health Care Reform was enacted in 2006 by Republican Governor Mitt Romney and a Democratic state legislature. "


"Massachusetts Health Care: A Model Not to Copy
In fact, the Massachusetts plan has been a massive failure and is a model for what not to do.
It has increased costs. It has wasted taxpayer dollars. It has limited patients' choice.
It has hurt small business. It has failed to achieve its goal of universal coverage. Most objectionable, it has created shortages and waiting lists.
Promoters predicted that the Massachusetts plan would lower health-care costs, but -- so far -- costs are moving in the opposite direction.
State government spending on health-care programs in Massachusetts has increased by 42 percent since the plan was adopted in 2006 and currently is 33 percent above the national average.

Advocates promised that the Massachusetts plan would make health insurance more affordable, but according to a Cato study, insurance premiums have been increasing at nearly double the national average: 7.4 percent in 2007, 8 percent to 12 percent in 2008, and an expected 9 percent increase this year.
Health insurance in Massachusetts costs an average of $16,897 for a family of four, compared to a national average of $12,700.
The Massachusetts plan incorporates a system of middle-class subsidies called Commonwealth Care to help pay for insurance for families with incomes up to 300 percent of poverty level ($66,150 for a family of four) and also expanded eligibility for Medicaid.


The Massachusetts Connector, a new bureaucracy that was supposed to increase patient choice, has become an overbearing regulatory arm of government that has decreased competition by prescribing benefits insurance must offer. The Connector is evidently unpopular with patients, since only 18,000 people have used the Connector to buy insurance during the past three years.
The Connector has imposed regulations that add to the cost of insurance and limit consumer choice, such as requiring prescription-drug coverage and preventive-care services, restricting high-deductible policies and putting limits on annual or per-sickness policies. Complying with the Connector's rules means changing from your current insurance that you like.


The costs to the taxpayers are rising, too, and one tax increase has not satisfied the appetite of the hungry plan. The prospect of huge deficits has elicited discussion of cuts in reimbursements to providers and the imposition of a "global budget," which is a euphemism for rationing.
Even though Massachusetts has more doctors per capita than any other state, the Boston Globe reports that waiting periods to see physicians have grown. The average wait is now 63 days to see a family doctor, 50 days to see a specialist and the second trimester of pregnancy to see an obstetrician-gynecologist.

If you want to see the busiest, most popular physicians, the wait can be up to a year.

The longer waits are the result of thousands of newly insured residents coming into the health-care system. Massachusetts has reduced the number of uninsured, but there are no reliable figures on how many are still uninsured since some statistics are based on telephone surveys that don't reach significant groups of people who lack landline telephones (such as young people and illegal aliens). Cato estimates that 200,000 are still uninsured.
If the number of uninsured had been measurably reduced, that should be reflected in the use of hospitals' emergency care facilities for uncompensated care. But hospitals don't confirm this effect. Small business is hurting, too. The Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council ranks Massachusetts last of all the 50 states for business-friendly health-care policies.
A June 21 front-page article in The New York Times reported that one cancer unit in a Philadelphia Veterans Administration hospital bungled 92 of 116 prostate cancer treatments over six years (requiring these patients to undergo a second operation) before the errors were discovered. The real problem is that the government cannot run health care safely (or cheaper).
Canada is another model of what not to do. It's fortunate that Canada is so close to the United States because Canadians rely on American medicine for serious surgery.
De facto rationing in Canada is practiced by waiting lists rather than by using its realistic name. The Globe and Mail in Toronto reports that the physician shortage is so acute that some towns hold lotteries to win a ticket granting access to the local doctor and that Ontario sent 160 patients to New York and Michigan for emergency neurosurgery between 2006 and 2008.
Although President Obama told the American Medical Association that single-payer (government-controlled) health care works "pretty well" in some other countries, no government has ever been able to run a health-care system as well as private enterprise.
Less regulation of health care, not more government control, is the way to healthier Americans and lower costs.

93 posted on 03/06/2010 4:03:03 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Peter Horry; Leisler; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; Allegra; EternalVigilance; Reagan Man; Elsie; ...

Peter Horry [Saturday, March 06, 2010; defending Mr. Mitt RomneyCARE
and Team Romney's dirty tricks against the GOP]:
"... Let me explain it to you. ... If enough are dissatisfied with this site
it will cease to exist or Jim Robinson will have to find alternative funding.
... Jim Robinson is a vital part of this but it goes far beyond him."

What unctuous arrogance, and petulant putative "power".
There must be a word to describe you, Mr. Horry, and your type.
Perhaps another FReeper has it on her/his tongue.

94 posted on 03/06/2010 4:44:19 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Allegra

It’s wishful thinking, imho.


95 posted on 03/06/2010 6:24:26 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Elsie; Peter Horry; Jim Robinson; Allegra; American Constitutionalist; campaignPete R-CT; ...

Re: Post #86

Mr. Horry seems to be a part of, or clearly in touch with, the same group of banned anti-FReeper trolls that have threatened this website if it doesn’t become a cheerleading forum for Slick Willard. His perpetual insults of respected FReepers (while wrapped in the rhetoric of a concern troll !) is also testament to that. I think Mr. Horry needs to be shown the door.


96 posted on 03/06/2010 11:37:24 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Peter Horry
Now now, let not ban Petey Boy.

He's amusing and his “I'm not a Romneybot” meme is adorable, like when my 2 year old with crumbs and chocolate on his face sheepishly says “no” when I ask him if he just ate a cookie from the jar...

97 posted on 03/06/2010 11:50:56 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: Peter Horry

Don’t bother supporting Romney here... it ain’t gonna fly... and for good reason... he’s terrible for conservatives.

So, from what I’ve seen of other posters who persist in supporting Romney or ideas that come from Romney, quoting him or referring to him — they are just asking for trouble.

For your own good, if you like Free Republic (for yourself) just respect the fact that nothing having to do with Romney is ever “going to fly” here...

Now that is good advice... unless you’re just itching for a zot or something like that... :-)


98 posted on 03/06/2010 1:30:41 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler; fieldmarshaldj; Diogenesis

If it serves some purpose to have these Romney articles posted it is .... to remind us that we have work to do to stop Romney2012 before it gets off the launch pad.

What is the plan for New Hampshire Jan’12 ... 22 months away?
What is the plan for Ames, IA straw poll Aug’11 ... 17 months away?


99 posted on 03/06/2010 3:18:50 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: Diogenesis

Bookmarking your links. We are gonna need them for future reference.


100 posted on 03/06/2010 4:07:56 PM PST by Canedawg (FUBO! Just FUBO.)
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