Posted on 03/05/2010 11:27:35 AM PST by pissant
I am saying there are two sides to this narrative. Mass murder is not necessarily genocide.
In other words, hiding behind the apologetics of what you just posted is the answer “yes”, you are siding with Mr. Erdogan.
Please dispense with the intellectual dishonesty.
Click on the link to Bernard Lewis. Do you dispute that the Armenians were engaged in warfare (a war of national liberation) against the Turks and that they were assisting the Soviets in the invasion of Turkey?
Click on the link to Bernard Lewis. Do you dispute that the Armenians were engaged in warfare (a war of national liberation) against the Turks and that they were assisting the Soviets in the invasion of Turkey?
“Mass murder is not necessarily genocide.”
True, however, in this instance it was an attempt to wipe out a very large portion of a single ethnicity. The deaths of a of 1 million person population is not a casual coincidence.
>>What’s next?
IMHO, the Belgians in the Congo.
“” King Leopold’s Ghost” - great account of the issue that became a huge international sensation...the sheer brutality of the Belgians is hard to imagine....
Yes, those Belgians, the waffles, truffles, beer and sprouts dudes.
Knowledeable, rational people disagree as to whether this was a genocide or not. 60 million people were killed during WWII. The Germans killed over 20 million Soviets. They were not engaged in genocide against the Soviets. Pol Pot killed over a million of his countrymen. Stalin and Mao killed millions. Those weren’t “casual coincidences.”
Rational people understand what constitutes a matter of genocide, I believe the death of a million plus Armenians just might make the grade.
But please do continue apologizing.
Allied with the Soviets. Look Monty, no one on this thread hates Armenians. What you don't seem to understand is this BS from congress hurt them by pissing of the big boy next door....Turkiye. And it certainly does help relations between the US and Turkiye.
does=doesn’t help. Sorry.
If the Turks were attacking or about to attack someone, I’d be all for speaking up, maybe even standing up to do something about it.
Maybe, like in the case of Iran now.
We’re awfully anxious to appease the Iranians and awfully anxious to pick a fight with the Turks for no particular reason.
Yes, it was genocide. It was jihad, and it was genocide. Actually, when the Turks expelled the greeks right after WW1, they killed an awful lot of them, too.
And no, they still haven’t apologized for any of it and aren’t likely to. So, whats the point? We’re engaged in wars right now with people who are actually killing people. And we’re looking right down the barrel at a war with Iran. Seems silly to pick a fight with the Turks if the Armenian Republic is in the process of burying the hatchet.
What is the motive for bringing this onto the floor of congress? They aren’t busy enough taking over the american economy?
I’m not Armenian by the way, just wanted to clarify that, my issue is that Turkey has been hiding from its responsibilities for far too long. So by letting it go for another generation we simply allow Turkey to skirt its accountability for the damage it has done for the past 600 years.
Germany was forced to face its atrocities immediately, Stalinists may never face it, so why should we let another oppressive regime get away with it?
The use of the word genocide is politically loaded. It is being pushed by the Armenians for political purposes. They have used it to murder Turkish diplomats around the world, incuding in the US, 70 years after the 1915 events. 21 countries (Israel is not one of them) have recognized it as genocide as well as 44 US states. Much of this has taken place over the past 10 years.
International bodies that recognize the Armenian genocide include the European Parliament, the Council of Europe, the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the World Council of Churches and the Permanent Peoples' Tribunal. The International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS), has recognised the 1915 genocide in three different resolutions, the latest (October 5, 2007) extending the recognition to, in addition to Armenians, also inlcude the Assyrians/Syrians and Anatolian and Pontic Greeks among the affected minorities.
The NYT, LA Times, Der Spiegel, and the AP have officially recognized it as a genocide. It appears that the issue has become a cause célèbre among the usual gang of Leftists. I am just buying on to it.
>>Seems silly to pick a fight with the Turks if the Armenian Republic is in the process of burying the hatchet.
Seems plain as day that if the interests of the Armenian Nation are of any value to anyone, then this piece of Congressional idiocy has certainly confined them economically, not to mention spiking any chances of them making a trip to Mt. Ararat, which I believe is right over the border and closed, like the entire border to any interaction with the Armenians.
But, it’s America, feelings and ineffectual, useless, impotent gestures seem to come naturally now.
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