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Handgun ban should stay in Chicago
Chicago Tribune Editorial ^ | 03/04/2010 | Carol Hillman

Posted on 03/05/2010 12:32:37 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan

I am dismayed that the City of Chicago's ban on handguns may be overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The second amendment to the Bill of Rights reads as follows: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The amendment talks about a well-regulated militia and thus, it would seem that the right to bear arms is directly related to a militia. In other words, those serving in a militia - or in the present - a branch of the Armed Services - have the right to bear arms. Of course, I cannot prove that my reading of the amendment is correct -- but gun rights supporters cannot prove that the right to bear arms extends to people who are not in the military!

Moreover, gun rights advocates always say that it is not a gun that kills someone, it is a person that does so. That may be, but much of the time, it is a person with a gun! To be sure, some people will always figure out how to get firearms illegally, but it stands to reason that fewer guns means fewer gun deaths.

This is what Police Superintendent Jody Weis said in regard to the ruling striking down a Washington, D.C. handgun ban: "From a law enforcement perspective, this will no doubt make a police officer's job more challenging than it already is, particularly since a firearm is used in 75 percent of all murders committed in the city of Chicago."

I can only speak for myself, but I would feel a lot less safe if the Chicago handgun ban is overturned. I suspect crime rates after the ban is lifted will prove me right!

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; carolhillman; carolhillmansanidiot; chicago; crime; gunban; illinois; mcdonaldvchicago
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Ms. Hillman is apparently ignorant of the fact that the majority of the gun crimes committed in Chicago are by criminals who carry concealed weapons illegally. Overturning the gun ban isn't going to change their actions. They'll still rob and murder. A gun ban has consequences for law-abiding citizens, not criminals.
1 posted on 03/05/2010 12:32:37 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Obviously, this loon isn’t interested in the Bill of Rights. What a ditz.


2 posted on 03/05/2010 12:35:12 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If you liked 2009, you're going to LOVE 2010!!!!!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
"... The amendment talks about a well-regulated militia and thus, it would seem that the right to bear arms is directly related to a militia."

Carol, you ignorant slut. Read the 'DC vs. Heller' decision.

3 posted on 03/05/2010 12:35:37 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Hey Carol, what do you think the words, “the right of the people . . . “ refers to? Perhaps you should spend some time reading the Federalist Papers instead of trying to reinterpret the meaning of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. What an fn moron.


4 posted on 03/05/2010 12:36:18 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I suspect crime rates after the ban is lifted will prove me right!

It would be the first time ever that a liberalized gun law resulted in more crime. DC crime is down since the Heller decision.

5 posted on 03/05/2010 12:36:57 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Carol is walking talking living breath proof of the fact that the only people with lower SAT scores than teachers are journalists.


6 posted on 03/05/2010 12:37:01 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Like all ignorant Liberals, Ms. Hillman thinks that her feelings about feeling safer should trump the rights of those who want to protect themselves rather than hoping that the police will come to their rescue. Again, we hear the idiotic and willfully ignorant idea that a militia is an organized function of the government rather than being made up of able bodied citizens, originally male but now not necessarily so.


7 posted on 03/05/2010 12:37:44 PM PST by JMS
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To: BuckeyeTexan
" . . . but gun rights supporters cannot prove that the right to bear arms extends to people who are not in the military!"

Yes, Carol, the United States in 1776 had a huge standing army that was positioned to protect the people from it's own government./sarc Stupid is as stupid does (or says).

8 posted on 03/05/2010 12:38:47 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
If gun control is so good why do the cities that force it have higher murder rates than deaths in recent wars?
9 posted on 03/05/2010 12:39:20 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

When liberals expose their ignorance, it’s never a pretty sight.


10 posted on 03/05/2010 12:39:31 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Obviously she ignored the comma then the rest of the amendment where it mentioned “people” not a militia. The comma separates the two ideas ....


11 posted on 03/05/2010 12:39:37 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
This is what Police Superintendent Jody Weis said in regard to the ruling striking down a Washington, D.C. handgun ban: "From a law enforcement perspective, this will no doubt make a police officer's job more challenging than it already is, particularly since a firearm is used in 75 percent of all murders committed in the city of Chicago."

Huh?

12 posted on 03/05/2010 12:40:44 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The amendment talks about a well-regulated militia and thus, it would seem that the right to bear arms is directly related to a militia

And, the OTHER 9 pesky amendments in The Bill of Rights? What a douche.

13 posted on 03/05/2010 12:40:59 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Lurker
Carol is walking talking living breath proof of the fact that the only people with lower SAT scores than teachers are journalists.

Yes, I like that line. I'm gonna steal it.
14 posted on 03/05/2010 12:41:17 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; All

The right to bear arms is absolute and shall not be infringed...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2463599/posts


15 posted on 03/05/2010 12:41:26 PM PST by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I cannot believe you failed to put a barf alert here.


16 posted on 03/05/2010 12:42:02 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Lurker
The best thing about Heller is the permanent "You've got that exactly wrong" response we can give when liberals try to make any point regarding the 'militia'.

Anthony Kennedy didn't even let Walter Dellinger finish his sentence regarding the militia clause in the Heller orals.

17 posted on 03/05/2010 12:42:17 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Dear Ms. Hillman:

You don't like guns? Then don't buy one.

18 posted on 03/05/2010 12:42:22 PM PST by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m only dismayed it wasn’t overturned by state law .


19 posted on 03/05/2010 12:42:35 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I wonder what she thought of another "anti-gun" journalist?

20 posted on 03/05/2010 12:42:43 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: truthguy

With my compliments.


21 posted on 03/05/2010 12:42:56 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Ms Hillman is an IDIOT!

What is so hard to understand in the following:

“the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”

Seems pretty damn clear to me.

And in any case, the purpose of the 2nd amendment is not to allow the People to protect themselves from criminals. It is to allow them to protect themselves from THEIR GOVERNMENT!!!!


22 posted on 03/05/2010 12:43:42 PM PST by Laserman
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To: BuckeyeTexan
In other words, those serving in a militia - or in the present - a branch of the Armed Services - have the right to bear arms. Of course, I cannot prove that my reading of the amendment is correct -- but gun rights supporters cannot prove that the right to bear arms extends to people who are not in the military!

WWII would have been entirely different if the founding fathers had overlooked creating the "right" for the military to have guns, we missed a bullet on that one guys, golf clubs, baseball bats and pocket knives would never have defeated the Nazis.

23 posted on 03/05/2010 12:43:44 PM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; All
Handgun ban should stay in Chicago

Fine. As long as Daley's Security Detail turns in all of their guns too. If we can't have them, neither can he. (but you would probably be opposed to this wouldn't you Ms. Hillman?)

Effin scumbag.
24 posted on 03/05/2010 12:44:17 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I am dismayed that Carol Hillman wants to maintain a safe working environment for rapists, murderers, robbers, and other thugs.

I am unsurprised that Jody Weis wishes to protect armed thugs from self-defending citizens ... she's just protecting the Blue Gang's turf.

25 posted on 03/05/2010 12:44:41 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Hey, I'm with ya, Carol! Yep, the 2nd Amendment only pertains to those who serve or served. Because after all it states the "right to keep and bear arms" in there. So you gonna support me going back to the base and claiming the M4 and M9s that I was issued? C'mon fellow soldiers, let's go get our FULLY AUTOMATIC weapons that Carol so rightly points out we get to KEEP! No need to return them, the 2nd Amendment says so!
26 posted on 03/05/2010 12:45:31 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: thefactor

Whoops. Sorry. I meant to but was so focused on the complete idiocy of her comments that I just plain forgot.


27 posted on 03/05/2010 12:46:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Then every citizen should sue their municipalities for not mustering gun owners to the Militia. They are violating the Constitution.
“The 2nd Amendment should never be construed to mean anything other than the individual right to keep and bear arms.” - John Adams at the MA Con Con.


28 posted on 03/05/2010 12:47:19 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
In other words, those serving in a militia - or in the present - a branch of the Armed Services - have the right to bear arms.

That's funny Ms. Hillman, around the time of the Constitution, everyone owned guns, not just those in the militia.
29 posted on 03/05/2010 12:47:21 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: massgopguy; All
Thomas Jefferson: "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
30 posted on 03/05/2010 12:48:13 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers.
To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.

George Mason


31 posted on 03/05/2010 12:49:37 PM PST by Shellback Chuck
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To: Red in Blue PA

WE are the militia. The context of the day was that everyone would rally to the defense of the community. It was kind of like a volunteer fire department. The concept of the National Guard is kind of “new”.


32 posted on 03/05/2010 12:51:35 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I do not live in Vermont. I did for four years and that was plenty.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
“The amendment talks about a well-regulated militia and thus, it would seem that the right to bear arms is directly related to a militia. In other words, those serving in a militia - or in the present - a branch of the Armed Services - have the right to bear arms.”

STUNNING ANALYSIS CAROL!!!!! It floors me!! OF COURSE!!!

Why didn't I see that!!!! The Founding Fathers felt it necessary to add an amendment guaranteeing the right of the militia to have weapons!!! HOW CLEAR!!! Why, if it were not for this amendment our militia,our national guard, maybe event our MILITARY would NOT BE ABLE TO BEAR ARMS!!!! They would have to fight instead with - say dust mops or brooms. And THAT would be a severe HANDICAP!

Hmm. I just wonder how all those other countries manage to arm their military forces without a Second Amendment. Guess they weren't as smart as our Founding Fathers!!

Carol, I am happy you are dismayed. When someone so logically challenged as you are, is dismayed, I KNOW we are on the right track!!!

33 posted on 03/05/2010 12:51:50 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
The amendment talks about a well-regulated militia and thus, it would seem that the right to bear arms is directly related to a militia. In other words, those serving in a militia - or in the present - a branch of the Armed Services - have the right to bear arms. Of course, I cannot prove that my reading of the amendment is correct -- but gun rights supporters cannot prove that the right to bear arms extends to people who are not in the military!

Yes they can. DC Versus Heller.

34 posted on 03/05/2010 12:51:57 PM PST by Lazamataz (Seriously. The only way Obama can possibly pull this out is to declare Martial Law before November.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

When DC’s ban was overturned, homicide rates dropped to a 43-year low.

‘nuff said.


35 posted on 03/05/2010 12:52:10 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Lurker
Carol is walking talking living breath proof of the fact that the only people with lower SAT scores than teachers are journalists.

What you say is definitely true, but the Ms. Hillman isn't a journalist. This is just a letter to the editor by some befuddled sap who lives in Chicago and wanted to demonstrate her stupidity to the world.
36 posted on 03/05/2010 12:53:48 PM PST by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: SkyDancer

She also ignored the DC vs Heller ruling. The 2nd amendment is not dependent upon militia membership, which is made quite clear.

Of course, she also neglects to mention that even the technical definition of ‘militia’ according to US Code includes virtually every man in the United States between the ages of 17 and 45 and who are US citizens.


37 posted on 03/05/2010 12:53:58 PM PST by VOR78
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To: BuckeyeTexan; All

“That may be, but much of the time, it is a person with a gun! “

False. “Much of the time..” it’s with a car.


38 posted on 03/05/2010 12:55:27 PM PST by Celerity
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To: BuckeyeTexan
English fail. It doesn't say "Right of the militia", it says "Right of the People". In order to even HAVE a militia, folks need to be armed.

Morons or liars. Possibly both knowing libs...

39 posted on 03/05/2010 12:55:55 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: ctdonath2

14 million firearms sold last year. Crime went down 10% Nation wide...


40 posted on 03/05/2010 12:57:47 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Ms Hillman, you should REALLY read something about our nation, it’s founding and the men who did it. You really should. Of course FACTS won’t change your leftist “MIND”, but at least you would KNOW you are full of SHITE!!


41 posted on 03/05/2010 12:59:35 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Puppage

“The amendment talks about a well-regulated militia and thus, it would seem that the right to bear arms is directly related to a militia”

Logic just doesn’t quite grace this author’s (Carol’s) doorstep. She almost gets it in this sentence. Yes, it has something to do with a militia. Barring the gov’t from infringing on the right to keep and to bear arms enables a well-regulated militia (the armed population at large) to ensure the security of a free state. Without arms, the people will not be able to secure a free state.

I am amused by the author’s choice of phrases:
“I cannot prove...” followed by an illogical, incorrect statement
“it stands to reason...” followed by an illogical, incorrect statement
“I suspect...” followed by an illogical, incorrect statement

Being Carol must be a life full of frustrations as she pits her suppositions against realities and loses again and again.


42 posted on 03/05/2010 12:59:39 PM PST by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I think if the citizens of Chicago are unarmed, so should the the police. Also all the bailiffs in the courtrooms and the security guards for the city officials.


43 posted on 03/05/2010 1:02:14 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Chicago Mafia and street gangs must be members of the Militia if they have guns! This libtard is f-cked up!


44 posted on 03/05/2010 1:02:33 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: massgopguy
No kidding.
It's an easier amendment to understand if you have a little knowledge of grammar. (she obviously does not)
45 posted on 03/05/2010 1:02:57 PM PST by the lastbestlady (I now believe that we have two lives; the life we learn with and the life we live with after that.)
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To: Laserman

And in any case, the purpose of the 2nd amendment is not to allow the People to protect themselves from criminals. It is to allow them to protect themselves from THEIR GOVERNMENT!!!!
DING DING DING WE have a winner... These Liberal touchy feely idiots dont get it...


46 posted on 03/05/2010 1:04:35 PM PST by crazydad (What)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Of course, I cannot prove that my reading of the amendment is correct -- but gun rights supporters cannot prove that the right to bear arms extends to people who are not in the military!


47 posted on 03/05/2010 1:04:43 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Democrats and Pelosi. The party of thieves, liars and tax cheats)
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To: The KG9 Kid

She also needs to read John Lott’s book as well,

since she seems convinced that removing the handgun ban will INCREASE crime.

Someone keep her email handy and when the crime rate DROPS dramatically, demand that she print a retraction.


48 posted on 03/05/2010 1:08:40 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Hard to know where to start with such idiocy. Does the author think she has come up with some new argument? It's just as stupid now as it has always been.
49 posted on 03/05/2010 1:10:18 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
is this chick retarded ???

welcome to the 21st century where the collectivist theory isnt even supported by leftcomms anymore...

50 posted on 03/05/2010 1:10:58 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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