Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Dems turn risky health vote into manhood contest
Washington Examiner ^ | Byron York

Posted on 03/05/2010 3:51:46 PM PST by RatherBiased.com

With their backs to the wall, Democratic leaders are preparing a complicated plan to pass their national health care bill. Standing in the way are Democrats who oppose the bill, whether on principle or out of fear that voting for a wildly unpopular measure will spell defeat for them in November.

If you think House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is going to let them off easy, allowing them to kill the party's top policy priority in more than a generation -- well, that's not gonna happen. Democrats who are considering voting against the bill are about to experience arm-twisting, threats, and pressure like they've never experienced.

I called a Democratic strategist with a question: Say I'm a moderate Democrat. I voted for the House bill last November, but I've seen the polls, I know a majority in my district opposes the bill, and I feel certain that voting for final passage will end my time in office. Why should I vote yes?

"Look, you voted for it before," said the strategist, who asked to remain anonymous. "You should have thought about that then. You're stuck with the vote, it's around your neck, you're going to wear it like an albatross. The ad that's going to run against you is going to be the same whether you vote for it now or not.

"The Republicans are going to be able to frame what you did their way, and you're going to need to be able to frame it a different way, to say that you fought to make health insurance more affordable and insurance companies more accountable.

"And if you're a bedwetting crybaby, you should just go home right now."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; byronyork; healthcare; manhood

1 posted on 03/05/2010 3:51:46 PM PST by RatherBiased.com
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com
"And if you're a bedwetting crybaby, you should just go home right now."

Wouldn't that decimate the Dem caucus?

2 posted on 03/05/2010 3:57:48 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrats prioritize Death over Enslavement!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

Actually I think a lot of them should go home. If an ethical person was elected to serve the public and yet is unable to do the right thing when the choice comes down to doing what he was elected to do, or satisfying a party boss, then the only thing to do is resign.


3 posted on 03/05/2010 3:57:56 PM PST by bigbob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

Or they can reject the helthcare agenda and seize control of the party after the 2010 and 2012 elections remove the healthcare crowd from office.


4 posted on 03/05/2010 3:58:43 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com
"Democrats who are considering voting against the bill are about to experience arm-twisting, threats, and pressure like they've never experienced."

Yeah, that or a nice big bribe to make their time out of office well worth it. Hey, whatever works.

I just wish one of them would be a real American and think of this country first. Any moderate that would expose the commie tactics would become an instant political superstar. Not only with the right either.

I wont hold my breath.

5 posted on 03/05/2010 3:59:49 PM PST by vlad335
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Miltie
The final vote is the only one that counts, in the end.

I dont know how some of them will survive this final vote.

6 posted on 03/05/2010 4:02:37 PM PST by Nonstatist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com
SEIU thug, Pelosi and Rahm all holding baseball bats and having a little chat with a ‘NO’ vote Dim, “Nice set of arms and legs ya got there, be a real shame if somethin’ were to happen to them...ya might want to reconsider how yoos gonna vote....yeah, you think about it .”
7 posted on 03/05/2010 4:03:56 PM PST by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MrEdd

” . . . seize control of the party after the 2010 and 2012 elections remove the healthcare crowd from office.”

LOL. The rats, with a few exceptions, ARE the healthcare crowd. There would be hardly any left if they kicked out the ones who don’t want to seize control of health care.


8 posted on 03/05/2010 4:05:10 PM PST by ModelBreaker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

If the RATS are really worried about Nancy then switch parties. Not that I’d ever want them.


9 posted on 03/05/2010 4:06:05 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com
A (small) part of me hopes the rats follow Pelosi off of the cliff......the political
bloodbath that would ensue will realign Congress, to the right, for a generation. A
larger part of me hopes that a coalition of politically savvy (AKA self-serving)
democrats mutiny, and throw San Fran Nan overboard.
10 posted on 03/05/2010 4:13:02 PM PST by MamaLucci (Tea Party March on Washington 2.010: This Time It's War.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Miltie

Since decimate means killing one in ten soldiers, I would say that it would totally destroy the Dem caucus. Do they anything other than bed wetting cry babies?


11 posted on 03/05/2010 4:13:12 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Miltie

The Dems could always start impeachment proceedings against her.She is a criminal and it would shut her up.


12 posted on 03/05/2010 4:18:32 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

Does anyone believe that there are enough Democrats with gonads big enough to stand on principle? They are more like eunuchs than men. Pelosi has more testosterone than the men in her party.


13 posted on 03/05/2010 4:44:53 PM PST by Nosterrex
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

The cause is well known and it is just. When the alleged leader of a democratic republic places his own wishes so above those of the complete body politic, he is no longer worthy of the title, leader, no matter what office he might occupy.

Only a fool with no clear appreciation of, or for, America past and present, would dare undertake what this pustule in the White House is attempting to do. It is contingent upon the Republican Party to undertake every step, every maneuver it can to bring this government to a halt.


14 posted on 03/05/2010 4:52:09 PM PST by bt579 (America elected a reader when it needs a leader. Clean the House in 2010, Right the Wrong in 2012.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

Dems turn risky health vote into manhood contest...

Or in other words, a “double failure”.


15 posted on 03/05/2010 5:25:03 PM PST by Common Sense 101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

Dems turn risky health vote into manhood contest...

Or in other words, a “double failure”.


16 posted on 03/05/2010 5:25:03 PM PST by Common Sense 101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

This Democratic ‘strategist’ seems like another inside the Beltway meddlesome amateur.

The House bill that they all voted for in November is DEAD.

They are voting on a completely DIFFERENT bill, the Senate bill. That, in and of itself, is justification for changing ones vote...Duh.

And if Bart Stupak voted for the initial House bill with no abortion funding then of course he is going to change his vote and vote against the Senate bill which HAS abortion funding...Duh.

And if a number of true committed progressives voted for the initial House bill with a public option, of course they are not going to vote for a Senate bill which does NOT have a public option...Duh.

By all the genital urination comments, I can only think that the Democratic ‘strategist’ in question is probably the only man in the entire country who looks like a male phallus:

James Carville.

It’s dead Jim.


17 posted on 03/05/2010 5:47:21 PM PST by bigoil
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com
Dems turn risky health vote into manhood contest

Since most don't have any, how will that work?

18 posted on 03/05/2010 5:49:09 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MamaLucci
A (small) part of me hopes the rats follow Pelosi off of the cliff......the political bloodbath that would ensue will realign Congress, to the right, for a generation. A

You are making a few assumptions there. The biggest one being that there will *be* elections this fall and in 2012.

19 posted on 03/05/2010 5:50:58 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: All; El Gato

>>”You are making a few assumptions there. The biggest one being that there will *be* elections this fall and in 2012.”<<

Here we go:

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242


20 posted on 03/05/2010 5:59:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?

Handguns are useful, to get to your rifle. I only have two center fire handguns, and one .22. I have 4 center fire rifles, and one .22, plus two shotguns, one for "serious social purposes".

Still and all, I actually shoot my handguns more (except the .22 which I bought for newbies to shoot).

21 posted on 03/05/2010 6:08:49 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

Comment #22 Removed by Moderator

To: RatherBiased.com

NumbersUSA has a report that 53% of immigrants are on welfare, food stamps, etc.


23 posted on 03/05/2010 9:53:52 PM PST by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com
Actually I want the Congress to be more accountable, I want some kind of provision that will list the NAME of the person who adds ANY amendment to a bill.
24 posted on 03/05/2010 10:04:47 PM PST by SledgeCS (The Zoo has an African lion, and the White House has a Lying African...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

It ain’t dead until congress is recessed and we flip at least 1 in Nov, or we will be fighting this battle for 3 more years!

OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy
Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

PLEASE ASK THEM TO REPEAL THE BIG NEW FEES in TRICARE for Life, the retired Military over 65 secondary health ins. which they passed in a DOD bill. They promised our Military these benefits, and our Military have earned them.

Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460988/posts

Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2464538/posts

MILITARY & Retired MILITARY
Veterans’ G.I. Bill benefits MIA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464680/posts
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.


25 posted on 03/06/2010 7:50:28 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

Obamacare call list: Courtsey of TN Eagle Forum:

PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 TN
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI


26 posted on 03/06/2010 7:50:59 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: El Gato

“The biggest one being that there will *be* elections this fall and in 2012. “

Elections are run by states. What’s king obuma’s plan? Send fat welfare mommas to block polling places? Maybe march the New York city metrosexuals down south to hit Texans over their heads with purses?

Remember Guatemala.


27 posted on 03/06/2010 8:52:38 AM PST by sergeantdave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Miltie
LOL. Yeah.

I don't know what a "yes" vote should be called, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with "manhood."

28 posted on 03/06/2010 2:27:20 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RatherBiased.com

As Senator Jim DeMint stated, if this bill passes, the fall election will be fought on its repeal.


29 posted on 03/06/2010 8:34:55 PM PST by happygrl (Continuing to predict that 0bama will resign)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson