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Clinton says US administration will block 'genocide' vote
BBC ^ | March 6, 2010 | BBC

Posted on 03/05/2010 5:33:30 PM PST by americanophile

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said the Obama administration will seek to block a controversial bill describing as genocide the World War I killing of Armenians by Turks. A congressional panel on Thursday approved the resolution, paving the way for a possible vote by the House.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: armeniangenocide; armenians; bho44; bhoforeignpolicy; obama; resolution; soshillary; turkey
Didn't take long for Obama to throw the Armenians under the bus...
1 posted on 03/05/2010 5:33:30 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile
"The Obama Administration strongly opposes the resolution that was passed by only one vote in the House committee, and will work very hard to make sure it does not go to the House floor."

- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

2 posted on 03/05/2010 5:34:28 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

“Clinton says US administration will block ‘genocide’ vote”

unless the -ocide is against the helpless pre-born...”we’re all for murdering those who don’t yet have a voice and can’t defend themselves” Clinton said.......


3 posted on 03/05/2010 5:37:29 PM PST by mreerm
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To: americanophile
Didn't take long for Obama to throw the Armenians under the bus...

Of course not, the Armenians are Christian. The Turks are Muslim.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

4 posted on 03/05/2010 5:38:53 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: americanophile

This happened 100 years ago, has Congress not declared it was genocide at some point?


5 posted on 03/05/2010 5:39:46 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: americanophile

Turkey is a major energy partner of the UK.


6 posted on 03/05/2010 5:41:07 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Nateman

No, they refuse to acknowledge it for fear of Turkey. To my knowledge only President Reagan called it what it was. Genocide.


7 posted on 03/05/2010 5:41:10 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile
...and will work very hard to make sure it does not go to the House floor."

Seperation of powers be damned.

8 posted on 03/05/2010 5:42:47 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: familyop
...and Germany is a major trading partner with everyone in Europe. The Germans have come to terms with their past.

Viewer discretion advised:

Armenian Genocide Pictures

9 posted on 03/05/2010 5:45:49 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile
I can't believe that we'd antagonize a strategic ally by passing a non-binding resolution that addresses something that happened 100 years ago.

No one involved in the Armenian genocide is alive today, so who is this resolution aimed at?

10 posted on 03/05/2010 5:46:18 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: americanophile

Now that they have a committed Muslim in change seems like a good time to stand up to them.


11 posted on 03/05/2010 5:46:41 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Remember we have a senatorial government now, so we don’t have a real separation of powers.


12 posted on 03/05/2010 5:46:58 PM PST by ronnietherocket2
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To: americanophile; LucyT; STARWISE; Liz; onyx; hoosiermama; SE Mom; Bahbah

Hmmm...


13 posted on 03/05/2010 5:49:07 PM PST by maggief (Not everything is what it seems.)
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To: americanophile

“St. Vardan and the first war for the Christian faith.
Meanwhile, Armenia lost independence. Over the next 200 years the eastern provinces were ruled by the Persian marzpans. A number of insurrections took place during that period. The most famous among them was the so-called Vardanank, War of St.Vardan in 451, described in details by Eliseus and Lazarus Barbedzi. The Persian King Yazdegerd II tried to put an end to Christianity in Armenia, and to disseminate the doctrine of Zoroaster. Armenians revolted when the numerous Persian priests were sent to Armenia to build temples and conduct fire worship.
On May 6, 451 a horrifically bloody battle took place in the Avarayr place. 66 thousand Armenians heroically fought the overwhelmingly superior Persian troops. Most of the Armenian lords including St.Vardan fell in battle, but Armenia undoubtedly won a great moral victory. Over 60 thousand of Persian soldiers were killed, and Yazdegerd’s hopes were dashed. That was the first known war for Christian faith in history.”
http://www.armenianhistory.info/christianity.htm

There you have it.
The Zero Administration continues to back the Islamofascist.


14 posted on 03/05/2010 5:50:09 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: americanophile

Maybe Hilary-the -Beast should be asked WHY the Turks should NOT be called to account.
Maybe a few of these photos would help.


15 posted on 03/05/2010 6:03:14 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: GunRunner

Turkey proved to be of dubious strategic value when it refused to allow U.S. troops to use Turkish soil to invade Iraq. The loss of the northern pincher resulted in a significant amount of the post-invasion chaos. The resolution has been a source of contention for years between the large Armenian-American community and the Turkish lobby.


16 posted on 03/05/2010 6:04:25 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile
Does this mean Obama won't seek reparations from honkys for slavery?
17 posted on 03/05/2010 6:07:28 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: americanophile

This is clearly unconstitutionla. The executive branch has no authority when it comes to control of the legislative branch in this fashion.

Socialist, Dictators are in style.


18 posted on 03/05/2010 6:07:32 PM PST by bestintxas
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To: LonePalm

“We will convey,” said Barack Obama to the Turkish Parliament Monday, “our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”


19 posted on 03/05/2010 6:08:30 PM PST by americanophile
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To: bestintxas

Presidents have been doing this since Washington left office.


20 posted on 03/05/2010 6:10:20 PM PST by votemout
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To: americanophile

So much for that specific campaign promise.


21 posted on 03/05/2010 6:11:32 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: votemout

Really? That means all of them have avoided the detailed separation of powers within the Constitution?

I think not.

There is a distinct difference between “blocking’ a congressional action and “infuencing’ them.


22 posted on 03/05/2010 6:16:47 PM PST by bestintxas
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To: autumnraine

yep...

In a July 28, 2006, letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, President Obama protested her decision to recall the U.S. Ambassador to Armenia for using the G-word.

“That the invocation of a historical fact by a State Department employee could constitute an act of insubordination is deeply troubling,” then-Sen. Obama wrote. “When State Department instructions are such that an ambassador must engage in strained reasoning — or even an outright falsehood — that defies of common sense interpretation of events in order to follow orders, then it is time to revisit the State Department’s policy guidance on that issue.”

Obama told Secretary Rice that the “occurrence of the Armenian genocide in 1915 is not an ‘allegation,’ a ‘personal opinion,’ or a ‘point of view.’ Supported by an overwhelmingly amount of historical evidence, it is a widely documented fact.”

That is indisputable. Mr. Obama said that “America deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the Armenian Genocide and responds forcefully to all genocides. I intend to be that president.”

In a January 2008 letter to the Armenian Reporter, Mr. Obama said he shared “with Armenian Americans — so many of whom are descended from genocide survivors — a principled commitment to commemorating and ending genocide. That starts with acknowledging the tragic instances of genocide in world history.”

He stated unequivocally that “as president I will recognize the Armenian Genocide.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/despite-campaig.html


23 posted on 03/05/2010 6:17:03 PM PST by americanophile
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To: bestintxas

You are either very naive or uninformed.


24 posted on 03/05/2010 6:17:54 PM PST by votemout
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To: americanophile
Not surprising. Islam has had a large presence in Kenya for over a thousand years.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

25 posted on 03/05/2010 6:18:08 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

I wish he would. We could take the rest of the year off and coast to election victory.


26 posted on 03/05/2010 6:18:50 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile; Kolokotronis; annalex; MahatmaGandu; skeeter; NYer; Islaminaction; La Lydia; ...

Christianity divided at the hands of the Turks...yet again.

27 posted on 03/05/2010 6:21:02 PM PST by americanophile
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To: GunRunner

you need to do a little studying. first of all, there are survivors of the genocide still alive: i know one of them. secondly,sometimes you need to take a stand on something that is the right thing to do. deniers of history need to be called out if truth means anything.


28 posted on 03/05/2010 6:25:13 PM PST by avital2
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To: avital2
That's not what I said. No one involved in perpetrating the massacre and genocide is alive today.

I don't see the beneficial effect of a non-binding resolution signed by politicians being worth much.

29 posted on 03/05/2010 6:40:40 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

it means a lot to the Armenians who lost families and saw
their history totally denied. it’s as if there is no justice for their families......and Turkey needs to admit to what was done historically for its own national self respect. the Turkish Republic is otherwise founded on a lie.


30 posted on 03/05/2010 6:52:16 PM PST by avital2
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To: avital2
The Armenians have had their own country for years. A non-binding resolution from Congress is not justice.

It's just a statement from politicians.

31 posted on 03/05/2010 8:03:40 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: americanophile

Why in the world does Congress need to pass a resolution? It happened years ago and it involved two other countries. Let them fight it out if they wish to keep rehashing it. Why is it any of our business?


32 posted on 03/05/2010 8:05:24 PM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: americanophile

Frakkin’ cowards. I’m not Armenian, but I had a good friend who was. The bastards destroyed almost a whole generation. Never forget!


33 posted on 03/05/2010 9:27:39 PM PST by pankot
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To: americanophile

Of course, because us like the rest of the West, has to whitewash Islam. Cowards, and they should NOT be selling Turkey any arms.


34 posted on 03/05/2010 9:40:26 PM PST by Islaminaction
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To: GatorGirl
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana
35 posted on 03/05/2010 10:59:48 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

There’s a difference between remembering history and Congress passing a resolution regarding it.

Have we passed a resolution that John Wilkes Booth assassinated Abraham Lincoln? At least that is OUR history! I wasn’t aware the Constitution required Congress to pass resolutions about every historical event!

I think this is ridiculous.


36 posted on 03/06/2010 4:36:45 AM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: votemout

In contrast to some who are on this blog, I happen to respect the Constitution.


37 posted on 03/06/2010 5:09:14 AM PST by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Please list the names of those here who don’t respect the constitution. You are confusing a factual statement about our history and the workings of the presidency with not caring about the constitution. Address your accusatory remarks to the president and the congress.


38 posted on 03/06/2010 7:07:48 AM PST by votemout
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To: americanophile; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


39 posted on 03/06/2010 10:01:28 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: votemout

“You are confusing a factual statement about our history and the workings of the presidency with not caring about the constitution. Address your accusatory remarks to the president and the congress.”

Gee, when I read “Clinton says US administration will block ‘genocide’ vote” how else could anyone possibly interpret this to mean other than the executive branch will stop the legislative branch in voting(underline that last word please).

This is clearly a violatioin of the U.S. Consitution that I have read. Perhaps you have read somewhere that a vote by the legislative branch can be overruled by a President?

Impossible. Congress can always vote. The President can always veto. That may mean a law is not made, but not a certainty.

Clearly different than saying you will “block” a vote.

It is without regard to the Constitution that a Secretary of State, the highest non-elected person in the entire executive branch, make such a statement.


40 posted on 03/07/2010 2:32:47 PM PST by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Your mistake was to interpret my position as supporting that.


41 posted on 03/07/2010 2:52:46 PM PST by votemout
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To: votemout

“Your mistake was to interpret my position as supporting that.”

You elevate yourself.

Go back and let me know wherein I said you support this.

I was reacting to the content of the article, not what you said.


42 posted on 03/08/2010 5:49:33 AM PST by bestintxas
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