Skip to comments.For Dems, it's do or die: GOP opposition irrelevant Only Dems can prevent health reform from passing
Posted on 03/05/2010 6:11:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
The Republicans were appalled, outraged, aghastand running out of means to describe their horror, indignation, and righteous anger. It seems the president, after a year of trying to induce the Party of No to say yes to something, finally called for an up or down vote on health care. Majority rule in a democracyoh the shame of it! Although, come to think of it, the 2000 election showed the GOP is only too happy to dispose of the concept when politically convenient.
The Republican opposition to reconciliationpassing the health bill without facing a filibusteris transparently cynical for a party that has used the process, from Reagan to Bush II, to reshape the tax code and redefine the role of the federal government, which, unlike health care, constitutes not one-sixth but close to one-quarter of the entire economy.
But the truth is that in the health debate, the Republicans are now irrelevant. They constitute a solid wall of opposition, impervious to fact or argument. But they are also a static Maginot Line, and Democrats have enough votes to get around the GOPs servitude to ideology and the insurance industry. All they have to do is call the roll and cast the votes.
Nancy Pelosi, whos been a brilliantly effective House speaker, regularly producing majorities for far-reaching measures on issues from financial reform to climate change, now has to persuade her caucus to set aside its injured sense of prerogative and pass the Senate health bill. Harry Reid, the majority leader of the Senate, where most of the Houses progress has so far gone to die, is now freed of the search for 60 votes and the extortionate tactics of senators 58, 59, and 60. To pass amendments to the Senate bill through reconciliation, he only needs 50 votes plus Vice President Biden. And he can probably count on the suddenly primaried Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, who cant afford to alienate her base by acting like a pseudo-Republican.
So the only thing that stands in the way of health reform is the Democrats themselves.
Theres the parochial temptation, irresistible to many members of Congress, regardless of ideology, to attempt their own version of Sen. Ben Nelsons despised and discarded Cornhusker Kickback, which nearly sank health care under the weight of a special deal for Nebraska. New York Democrats are now demanding special breaks for their state. If they and others with an instinct for the capillary let their particular notion of the perfect become the enemy of the universal good, they dont deserve to be called progressivesand they wont deserve to be re-elected.
The same goes for those who favor or oppose abortion rights. The presidents compromise doesnt give either side all it wants. But in the end, it's not pro-life or pro-choice to deny more than 30 million Americans the chance for potentially lifesaving health coverage. And there likely wont be a public option now, even if 50 or 51 senators come to favor it; its absence may be critical to rounding up enough Blue Dog Democrats in the House. A last stand on the public option barricades could bring the most illiberal result of allfailure once again on the great unfinished business of social justice in our society. That battle can be fought another day, in another Congress.
Then theres the uncertain and often miscomputed political calculation, which tempts electorally threatened politicians to break with their own president and party. That wont work this year, just as it didnt work for scores of moderate Democrats who openly scorned Hillarycare in 1994; voters angry about the economy and congressional dysfunction that year chose the Republicans and tossed incumbents out. This year, as then, Democrats will have to run alongside health reform even if they run away from it. They will have to run with the phantom or the reality of the bill. Pass itand voters will see that there are no death panels, just as there is no rationing and no loss of the right to pick your own doctor. Instead, Americans will soon discover that they can no longer be denied coverage because a child has a pre-existing condition like asthma and that their insurance cant be canceled when they get sick, with a bean-counter cutting off their chemotherapy because theyve reached their annual limit. Better to campaign on that than on the defensive claim that a defeated bill wasnt your fault, wasnt your idea, and somehow wasnt your failurein short, re-elect me for doing nothing.
It's time for Democrats to prove that theyre a governing partyor in Congress next year, they wont be governing at all.
I just keep reminding my congresscoward that Obozo plans on backing over him with the bus when he’s done with him.
I know the Republicans aren’t up to it, but it would be nice if they PROMISE to repeal health care on a 51 vote majority, the next time they get that chance...it would demonstrate just how sick this has become.
0bama, Reid, Pelosi and the loony left in America are really something else. Their solution to having a hole in a fast sinking boat, is to carve another hole in the boat, and make the boat sink even faster.
Words fail me . . . I guess I just didn't realize how marvelous her leadership is to be able to produce majorities WITH ONLY A FORTY SEAT MAJORITY. Talk about unappreciated brilliance. /sar
Bob Shrum is a dick head.
Republicans have already sworn to repeal this abominable 0bamacare if they are voted into power.
That can’t happen. It’s just pablum for the masses.
Meanwhile, on planet Earth.......
“Republicans have already sworn to repeal this abominable 0bamacare if they are voted into power.”
....just how would they do this against veto power?
Shrum is a regular pundit. How is this different than it was a year ago?
Nancy Pelosi, whos been a brilliantly effective House speaker, regularly producing majorities for far-reaching measures on issues from financial reform to climate change, now has to persuade her caucus to set aside its injured sense of prerogative and pass the Senate health bill.
I couldn't finish the article. I recently ate dinner. Did Shrum say why Pelosi didn't finish this job last year?
By we voting 0bama out of power in 2012. 0bamacare doesn't come into effect till 2014. We are going to kill this bill one way or the other.
Its completely unconstitutional to begin with and will be shredded
I made the mistake of reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time last month.
Now every single thing I hear from a progressive/socialist sounds like Wesley Mouch.
These people have no idea how evil their words truly do sound. It’s like reading daily accounts of how great Stalin and Hitler’s plans will be for the everyman.
This is great. LA legislature writes bill to block Obama Care while Mary Landrieu is a yes vote.
I’d compare Bob Shrum to bodily waste, but that would be an insult to bodily waste.
Disgusting bilge...Nancy Pelosi great??? Pleeeaasse...The little swamp monster is anything but...Just a knee capper...That’s all. Hopefully gone with the swamp water.
That idea might even be better than anything else I’ve heard. States cannot afford this crap. I live in California and there are bread lines for God’s sake. Delta Smelt have it better than the folks here.
At least bodily waste can be used as fertilizer, what can Bob Shrum be used for?
My marxist congresscritter is all but cleaning his desk out now. He openly admitted months ago that he won the seat by 2% only because Obama was on the ticket.
The name “Bob Shrum” makes a barf alert both unnecessary and redundant.
They have. Mitch McConnell made that promise last week -- saying that repeal would be the campaign promise of every GOP candidate.
You must've missed it.
Yea, but did he say 51 votes...or will he simply throw in the towel once the Dems filibuster?
You and me both. Its really really uncanny how she pegged this fifty years before it unfolded.
Where are you now John?
You’ve got a lot more faith in the republicans than I have.
I have a lot of believe in the fact that politicians love power more than anything else. If Republicans want to take and maintain power, they had better do what the Tea Partiers want them to do in 2013(repeal 0bamacare), or they will be out on their butts come the 2014 elections, like what happened to them in 2006 when they got kicked out.
YOU CAN NOT REPEAL IT unless Obamao signs the repeal bill.
-or- the republicans have veto proof majority in congress which is extremely unlikely.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Yes but Shred actually believes it. Amazing.
Keep voting it out and have PFL BO and the dims place ruinous taxes on the American peoples back. Remember there is no “Health Care” in this bill until 2013 but the taxes and medicare cuts start immediately. We can beat them like a drum with this tactic.
Here's the funny part - - if the rats pass Mengelecare via "reconciliation", guess what? - - the Republicans can repeal Mengelecare via "reconciliation". If you want "cynical", just wait until the rats start squealing about that.
We can, and will repeal it when we vote 0bozo out of power in 2012, assuming it even passes this year.
“-or- the republicans have veto proof majority in congress which is extremely unlikely.”
We won't even need that, after we've sent 0bozo back to his gangster ruled, decadent, Chicago homeland in 2012.
Yes 2012 is possible, I thought the implication was for those running in 2010 to sign the repeal pledge. The 2010 winners may not necessarily be around in 2012. 2 years is eternity in politics.
But then 0bamacare doesn't actually kick into effect till 2014, even though the taxes for 0bamcare kick in immediately. Voters wil be suffering the pain of extra taxes, without the benefits of from those extra taxes. That's a recipe for political disaster for 0bama and the Democrats in 2010 and 2012, if this bill passes. The Tea Parties are here now. the Tea Parties will be even stronger in November and in 2012.
0bama wants a fight? He's gonna get it. Voters are far angrier today, than they were in 1994, when the Democrats were swept out of power in the House, for the first time in over 40 years
I stopped reading after this part,
Nancy Pelosi, whos been a brilliantly effective House speaker
No, its an 80 seat majority, roughly..The Dems have 257 seats, The Pubbies 178
The old dinosaur has been vomitting the same cliches for 40 years. I dont even think his wife listens to him anymore
Where is the (MAJOR) BARF alert?!?!?
It aint dead until congress is recessed and we flip at least 1 in Nov, or we will be fighting this battle for 3 more years!
OBAMANOMICSTRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy
Bambi doesnt keep his promises...so buyer beware!
SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!
PLEASE ASK THEM TO REPEAL THE BIG NEW FEES in TRICARE for Life, the retired Military over 65 secondary health ins. which they passed in a DOD bill. They promised our Military these benefits, and our Military have earned them.
Sen Scott Browns number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121
Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread
Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Militarys secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!
OBAMAs WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/
New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.
Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security
Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html
Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
Health Reforms Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2464538/posts
MILITARY & Retired MILITARY
Veterans G.I. Bill benefits MIA
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollees cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf
Bill Would Restrict Veterans Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries
Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009
Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.
Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.
President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees in fiscal 2010, Matz said. We took them at their word, and I cant believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward, he added.
Obamacare call list: Courtsey of TN Eagle Forum:
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 TN
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI
In addition to worrying about my father’s health, thinking about this health care that might come to be actually makes me physically ill.
Every morning when I pull up Drudge, I have to take a breath and pray.
If it passes with reconciliation, then I don't doubt the GOP would repeal it with reconciliation.
On the other hand, I doubt there will be a reconciliation. They'll try to get the House to pass the Senate bill. Then they'll have what they want: a monstrous stinker of a healthcare bill.
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