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Robber's body discovered under bridge at highways(MS)
vicksburgpost.com ^ | 5 March, 2010 | Steve Sanoski

Posted on 03/06/2010 4:59:34 AM PST by marktwain

The body of one of two men chased after a violent robbery at a small grocery Thursday night was found this morning at the Interstate 20-U.S. 61 interchange and authorities were trying to determine whether he was shot, jumped or fell from an overpass.

A second suspect, described, like the dead man, as Hispanic, was being sought by police in the robbery and assault at La Chiquita grocery store, 4002 U.S. 61 South, which triggered the chase and shootout.

Police received a call about the armed robbery at 8:41, said Sgt. Sandra Williams. “The caller reported two Hispanic males entered the business wearing ski masks. One was carrying an SKS assault rifle, and the other had a handgun,” Williams said.

After taking an undisclosed amount of cash, CDs and jewelry from the store, as well as a wallet and cash from a customer, the two fled the scene in a vehicle and headed north on U.S. 61 South toward Interstate 20, Williams said. A woman clerk at the business was hit in the head with the butt of a rifle during the robbery, then notified the store owner who jumped in his vehicle and chased the robbers, Williams said.

“There was a chase on the highway, which resulted in the suspects crashing out on the bridge,” she said. “The suspects got out of their vehicle and started firing at the business owner. And basically, between the suspects and the owner of the business, there was a shootout.” She declined to speculate on how many shots were fired.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Mississippi
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I wonder what the store owner used to return fire. He did well, facing a rifle. I wonder if he had one of those all purpose sport utility rifles, you know, the kind that are semi-automatic, fire a moderately powered cartridge, and that take magazines with a useful capacity for self defense.

The store owner should get the keys to the city and a cash award.

1 posted on 03/06/2010 4:59:35 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Fell after being shot. Took a little time to bleed out...
2 posted on 03/06/2010 5:01:25 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this...)
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To: marktwain

Don’t know about miss. law, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Store Owner charged with something


3 posted on 03/06/2010 5:03:54 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: marktwain
authorities were trying to determine whether he was shot

Um, is there a hole?

4 posted on 03/06/2010 5:06:50 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: marktwain
“There was a chase on the highway, which resulted in the suspects crashing out on the bridge,” she said. “The suspects got out of their vehicle and started firing at the business owner. And basically, between the suspects and the owner of the business, there was a shootout.” She declined to speculate on how many shots were fired.

The business owner was not injured, she said, and was questioned and released by police

Now, Don't get me wrong. I'm glad the Banditos got what they deserved.
BUT - what is wrong with the above scenario?


5 posted on 03/06/2010 5:08:31 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: marktwain

SKS assault rifle?!?!

Let me fix that...

SKS curio and relic rifle.


6 posted on 03/06/2010 5:11:16 AM PST by Poser (Enjoying Prime Rib for 58 Years!)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
*** Don’t know about miss. law, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Store Owner charged with something ***

You type faster than I do ;-)
(see my post #5)

7 posted on 03/06/2010 5:13:27 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: marktwain

I bet it was the Trunk Monkey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geynA-JYDHE


8 posted on 03/06/2010 5:14:41 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Condor51

Whats wrong? You mean besides the poor writing?

The business owner chased the thieves and appears to have done so in a reckless manner. The owner pursued thieves off their property which is normally a very poor decision. At least the owner didn’t start the shooting which may be their saving grace.

The owner is lucky nobody else was hurt. I am glad the thieves didn’t make out so well.


9 posted on 03/06/2010 5:24:08 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
“The owner pursued thieves off their property which is normally a very poor decision.”

It may be a poor decision if you only take into account the store owner’s welfare. If you consider the society as a whole, it can have a very positive impact, which is why we should give large awards to such heros.

10 posted on 03/06/2010 5:27:23 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“If you consider the society as a whole, it can have a very positive impact, which is why we should give large awards to such heros.”

Depends on the situation. I don’t think having pissed off people who have had no training chase thieves is such a good idea. If they caused an accident and killed some child over a couple hundred bucks it would be pretty darn bad.

That happens with cops let alone some 711 clerk behind the wheel playing rambo.

Better bet is to shoot the thieves in the store and avoid the whole chase scenario.


11 posted on 03/06/2010 5:32:04 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
*** Whats wrong? You mean besides the poor writing? ***

LOL, yes besides the poor writing. And you hit everything on the head.

What the Store Owner did was reckless, dangerous, dumb and just plain STOO-PID. This is not Mexico where you go chasing Banditos into the hills. The moron is lucky he didn't kill someone a mile away. And it acts like this that give the Gun Grabbers the ammo they need (no pun) to paint 'us' as a bunch of trigger happy wackos.

If I was the local prosecutor I'd be looking at him very closely. Like for Reckless Endangerment to start with.

12 posted on 03/06/2010 5:33:30 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Condor51

The store owner did the right thing, trying to keep the perps in sight. He was probably on the phone with police at the time, telling them where the criminals were.

Otherwise, the police would have shown up at the store and told the clerk that they got away.


13 posted on 03/06/2010 5:34:06 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: driftdiver

With the economy and changing social dynamic, it is prudent to encourage the public to defend themselves and their interests where closest to their domain.

There is a very large population of very criminal lower class who are also unemployed, but unlike many professionals lack virtue and character.

I suspect we are about to see violent criminal increase by an order of magnitude. Far better for victims of such criminal behavior defend themselves at the expense and risk of the criminals, than to completely overload the judicial system, which in many cases is unable to financially keep the guilty behind bars.

Imagine gang crime in the 30’s, but now with more firepower and international ties instead of interstate ties.


14 posted on 03/06/2010 5:42:43 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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*** The store owner did the right thing, trying to keep the perps in sight. ***

Well, keeping them is sight is one thing. Getting close enough to cause a crash, and close enough to them to engage in a gun fight was far from right.

Now. I believe that if I catch someone breaking into my detached garage and stealing my stuff (or attempting to, that gives me the right to blow their heads off, right there and then on my property.

But if I have to purse them, pulling a trigger is then is a different thing entirely. At that point I'm the cause for the gunfire, and that's irresponsible and reckless.

15 posted on 03/06/2010 5:44:18 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Poser

“SKS curio and relic rifle.”
I like my russian SKS. It’s accurate and the round is a pretty good one.
I had a chinese SKS that was given to me that hit left one foot at 50yrds. Sold that one asap.


16 posted on 03/06/2010 5:45:24 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Hey Jose! Welcome to Mississippi....

A new hero of the community emerges.


17 posted on 03/06/2010 5:45:48 AM PST by libertyhoundusnr
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To: Cvengr

Self defense does not include reckless car chases through the streets. You are FAR more likely to hurt yourself or some other innocent.


18 posted on 03/06/2010 5:46:22 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Condor51; marktwain

I see nothing wrong with the scenario, except the owner needs more range time.


19 posted on 03/06/2010 5:58:18 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Condor51
Well, keeping them is sight is one thing. Getting close enough to cause a crash, and close enough to them to engage in a gun fight was far from right.

You ASSume that the store owner caused the crash.

These perps may have been simply fleeing the scene and never noticed the store owner, crashing due to their own recklessness.

Let's face it, without the store owner giving chase, there would very likely be two violent criminals at large. Now there is only one.

20 posted on 03/06/2010 6:05:06 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: marktwain

I know even a little kel-tec 9 mm can do deadly damage. That’s the difference between an episode of the a-team and real life.


21 posted on 03/06/2010 6:06:18 AM PST by Hacksaw (Trees aren't our "friends")
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To: driftdiver
A second suspect, described, like the dead man, as Hispanic, was being sought...

Strangely convoluted syntax, this sentence uses!

22 posted on 03/06/2010 6:14:32 AM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: 6SJ7

Look for Hispanic male with brown drawers, they should.


23 posted on 03/06/2010 6:18:56 AM PST by EternalVigilance (They're too busy grabbing power outside their jurisdiction to do their actual job within it.)
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To: 6SJ7

must get, paid, by the, comma, or something, ya know.


24 posted on 03/06/2010 6:19:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

If you get robbed of a couple hundred bucks, go racing thru the streets and end up hurting one of mine, you would get planted. Quietly and deep.


25 posted on 03/06/2010 6:20:36 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; Erik Latranyi

sounds like you are just like the owner, who worked to protect his property after he was robbed.


26 posted on 03/06/2010 6:38:23 AM PST by Ratman83
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*** Let's face it, without the store owner giving chase, there would very likely be two violent criminals at large. Now there is only one. ***

That is true.
However, there may be someone who wakes up today to find a bullet hole in their car, or the siding on their house - or roof - from an errant bullet. And hopefully no people. (That does happen a lot in Chicago, kids shot while in bed)

The car thing happened to us back in '63 from some asshole shooting a rifle into the air. Bullet went right through the roof on the drivers side by the windshield. It was stuck in the padded sun visor. God only knows when the moron who fired was located.

27 posted on 03/06/2010 6:40:35 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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*** I see nothing wrong with the scenario, except the owner needs more range time. ***

Okay. Then how about the Store Owner being released and no charges filed.

Don't know if its because he's part of a 'protected class', but any normal person who gets in car chase with robbery subjects, and then engages in a gun fight with them is going to jail for the night - at the least.

28 posted on 03/06/2010 6:47:21 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Condor51

The owner has not been arrested, he was questioned and released.


29 posted on 03/06/2010 6:53:48 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

No crime committed. He followed the perps they crashed and openned fire on him. He shot back in self defense. It is all good for me. Nothing in the story to say that he committed a crime only the robbers.


30 posted on 03/06/2010 6:56:23 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: driftdiver
If you get robbed of a couple hundred bucks, go racing thru the streets and end up hurting one of mine, you would get planted. Quietly and deep.

First, I trust fellow citizen's shooting ability more than the police.

Second, only the perps got hurt.

Third, you sound like a liberal making an argument against private ownership of firearms......wild west crap.

According to your logic, it is too dangerous to carry a firearm ANYWHERE because you might get into a shootout that hurts innocent people.

31 posted on 03/06/2010 7:00:32 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: driftdiver
Self defense does not include reckless car chases through the streets.

I think you are inferring too much here. You don't know if it was reckless or not.

Previously, you inferred that the store owner caused the crash.

I have followed drunk drivers who were all over the road while on the phone with police without putting anyone in danger even though one of the drunks wrecked their car in the end.

32 posted on 03/06/2010 7:05:47 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Condor51
Don't know if its because he's part of a 'protected class', but any normal person who gets in car chase with robbery subjects, and then engages in a gun fight with them is going to jail for the night - at the least.

You are reading way too much into this and assigning motivations outside of what we know.

33 posted on 03/06/2010 7:07:08 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Ratman83
*** The owner has not been arrested, he was questioned and released. ***

My point exactly.
That is not SOP.

34 posted on 03/06/2010 7:08:17 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Erik Latranyi

“I think you are inferring too much here. You don’t know if it was reckless or no”

A victim chasing two armed men to recover a couple hundred bucks is reckless. To do so driving on public streets is doubly so. You are the one assuming he did so in a calm and careful manner while managing to keep up with two desperate thieves.

“I have followed drunk drivers who were all over the road while on the phone with police “

Good for you, what does that have to do with these two thugs?


35 posted on 03/06/2010 7:09:35 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

If you chase a kidnapper I would fully support you. If you other innocent peoples lives to recover a few bucks then you are in the wrong.

If you were to hurt one of mine then I would feed you to the gators.

“Third, you sound like a liberal making an argument against private ownership of firearms......wild west crap”

You’re an idiot.

My logic was to shoot the SOBs in the store not go cagney and lacey on them on the public streets. Ya know the public streets where other innocent people are going about their daily lives. Your money is not worth my kids life.

Car chases are only cool on TV. You are advocating anarchy. Step on up if thats what you like and say hello to Mr gator from the inside.


36 posted on 03/06/2010 7:14:11 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
A victim chasing two armed men to recover a couple hundred bucks is reckless. To do so driving on public streets is doubly so. You are the one assuming he did so in a calm and careful manner while managing to keep up with two desperate thieves.

I assumed nothing. YOU are assuming it was reckless, which is just as wrong as assuming it was not reckless.

Since the owner was questioned and released by the police, one could infer it did not rise to the level of recklessness you assume.

37 posted on 03/06/2010 7:16:52 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: driftdiver

I agree that there might be a litany of issues involved.

IMHO, our society isn’t as stable as in the last century. Whereas the nation might have been able to afford the luxury of life long imprisonment and reserving judgment on capital offenses, their might not merely be an awkward moment here and there, but a tsunami of crime about to hit.

We now have several generations built upon relative morality, instead of Judeo-Christian basics. The detriments of relative morality have long term effects, which many might not recognize until its too late.


38 posted on 03/06/2010 7:18:50 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Since the owner was questioned and released by the police, one could infer it did not rise to the level of recklessness you assume.”

Are these the same police that you don’t trust to use their firearm?

You have a right to defend yourself. You do not have a right to endanger anyone elses life. Choose wisely.


39 posted on 03/06/2010 7:19:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cvengr

“IMHO, our society isn’t as stable as in the last century.”

I agree. We have plenty of criminals entering our country and the government welcomes them with open arms. Do you really want the average joe to make high speed chases through the streets to fix this problem?

Anarchy and vigilantism will only make it worse.


40 posted on 03/06/2010 7:21:56 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Yeah, you're prolly right. One of my 'bad' habits.
At times I make too many assumptions.(1)

(1) However I'm coppin' a plea. It ain't my fault.
In my 40 years in Commercial Construction I've been burned a lot. So now I assume a lot of things and many of the various scenarios of almost any occurrence. In short - Trust No One, Suspect Everyone ;-)

41 posted on 03/06/2010 7:22:38 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: driftdiver
My logic was to shoot the SOBs in the store not go cagney and lacey on them on the public streets.

Again, you ASSume the chase was reckless.

There is no information to support your claim.

In the meantime, I'll side with the police who questioned and released him and not with you making wild accusations.

42 posted on 03/06/2010 7:23:07 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Condor51
Yeah, you're prolly right. One of my 'bad' habits. At times I make too many assumptions.

Nobody is immune from such things. It is part of our innate desire for self-preservation that we have to fight against sometimes.

Thank you for being reasonable. It is rare.

43 posted on 03/06/2010 7:25:18 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: driftdiver
You have a right to defend yourself. You do not have a right to endanger anyone elses life.

I agree. However, neither you nor I know that is the case here.

44 posted on 03/06/2010 7:26:07 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Again, you ASSume the chase was reckless.”

You are detestable with your cheap and classless innuendos.

There’s no information to assume it wasn’t a reckless chase. Its my guess this guy goes to jail.

Again, do you only support the police sometime or when its convenient to support your weak and baseless argument?


45 posted on 03/06/2010 7:26:48 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“I agree. However, neither you nor I know that is the case here”

Chasing someone thru the streets and engaging in a gun battle over a few bucks is reckless. The business owner is extremely lucky someone else wasn’t hurt.


46 posted on 03/06/2010 7:28:12 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Condor51

See my post 30. He was released because no crime.


47 posted on 03/06/2010 7:41:19 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: driftdiver

Whether or not a situation like this is self defense should take into consideration the outcome. The dead man initiated the confrontation and is the only one who was hurt. I hope he isn’t charged.


48 posted on 03/06/2010 7:43:01 AM PST by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
*** Thank you for being reasonable. It is rare. ***

Hey, you're very welcome.
And a reasonable discussion is always enjoyable.

Plus, FReepers are always 'reasonable' ;-)

49 posted on 03/06/2010 7:48:47 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Dayman

“Whether or not a situation like this is self defense should take into consideration the outcome. “

Wow very liberal. So if the owner shot a baby by accident would it still be self defense? Or if he ran over a little girl on her bike? Or perhaps Grandma?

Self defense doesn’t depend on the outcome. It depends on the fact of a threat to someones life. Once the threat is removed it is no longer self defense.

IMO thats why we have cops, judges, DAs, and jails. If they don’t work then perhaps the energy should be put into fixing them. Either we are a nation which adheres to the rule of law or we are not.

If he had shot them while on his property I would fully support him. As it is I hope he goes in front of a jury.


50 posted on 03/06/2010 7:52:03 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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