Skip to comments.Democrats hunt for healthcare reform votes
Posted on 03/07/2010 5:20:16 PM PST by upchuck
Democrats do not have a firm grip on the votes needed to pass sweeping healthcare reform legislation in the House of Representatives, one House leader admitted on Sunday.
But the White House insisted that its reform efforts were in the final chapter.
Barack Obama has given Democrats a March 18 deadline for the House to pass the Senate version of a healthcare reform bill before he leaves on a trip to Asia, leading to a frenzy of arm-twisting and vote tallying on Capitol Hill.
With previous deadlines missed, veteran Democrats are warning that the legislation must be completed before the Easter recess to avoid a repeat of last summers town hall protests that almost sunk the healthcare bill.
I believe it will pass. Do we have a mortal lock? No. Because people are still looking at some of the changes that are being made, Chris Van Hollen, one of the Democratic leaders in the House, admitted on CNN on Sunday.
The House is shaping up to be a key battlefield in the healthcare fight, since Democrats lost their 60-seat super-majority in the Senate.
With not a single Republican supporting the reform effort, the only option for Democrats now is to have the House pass the Senate version of the bill, then for both chambers to pass a series of fixes to take into consideration the demands of House lawmakers.
But Democratic leaders in the House are struggling to get the 216 votes they need to pass the Senate bill. As many as 12 conservative Democrats who voted in favour of the House bill because it included tough new restrictions on abortion funding are now threatening to vote against the Senate version, which is less restrictive. The House bill passed by 220 to 215 so Democrats have few votes to spare.
This is going to be a discussion and we are going to be engaged in that dialogue for some time until we get it done, said Mr Van Hollen, chairman of the Democratic congressional campaign committee and the fifth-ranking Democrat in the House.
Kathleen Sebelius, Mr Obama's health secretary, said on Sunday it was time for Congress to get the job done.
The bill has passed the House, the bill has passed the Senate with a super-majority. We have comprehensive legislation for the first time, Ms Sebelius told ABC on Sunday. We are in the final chapter, mostly because the American people are desperate.
Tom Daschle, the former Democratic Senate majority leader, underlined the urgency of getting healthcare passed before the Easter congressional recess in less than three weeks.
There really is a life to these legislative projects and weve already extended beyond the normal life [of healthcare] given the array of other challenges and issues we have to face, he told the Financial Times in its View From DC video series. Right now Democrats are back on the offensive and I think they have got to seize it and do the most with it.
Mr Daschle warned that failure to pass healthcare reform could lead to a repeat of the anti-reform campaigning that almost sunk the bill in the summer. There is a lot of fear of the unknown and its pretty easy to generate fear, he said. Every time we do [try healthcare reform], the same predictions and the same dire consequences are announced.
Mr Daschle underlined that it was important also to clear space after Easter for the Obama administration to tackle jobs, financial regulatory reform and legislation to address climate change. We have got to perform we have got to show that we can govern, he said. Weve got to focus on jobs and do as much to recreate the kind of economy that would allow more job creation.
Yeah Kathy, we're desperate all right. Desperately fighting this Marxist POS monstrosity. We're not gonna let you and your thugs take over 20% of GDP and dictate healthcare to us. Just ain't gonna happen.
Tom Dasshole, go screw yourself.
Thank you RINO Newt and Dede for effing up NY-23. That one house vote in NY-23 may mean a lot very soon. Idiot Newt.
I guess this means the fascists are getting ready to send in their union thugs. No, that isn’t the Nawlins Saints in their football uniforms at the White House. That’s the DemocRATS from the House of Reprentatives who voted “No” on CommieCare.
Just what planet are these DIMs living on? People, real people, don’t want this crap. Resist! Resist! Resist! Melt their phones, faxes and computers.
They can’t get 200 votes in the House anymore, much less than 216. And every Dem that votes for this DeathCare bill will hang separately (politically) if they *do* vote for it.
Just as long as we 'trust' Hussein. Who is this clown?
Made where???? Not to the Senate Bill that the House is going to have to pass for ObamaCare to become a reality. Is there some sort of a reconciliation bill being developed somewhere in the dark dungeons of the Capital? Is it being developed in the Senate? Or the House?
I have heard ZERO on this subject in the news. I'll believe it when I hear it. I think that all that is going on is arm twisting and bribery by Pelosi and Reid. Once the deals are made then and only then will anyone be writing a reconciliation bill that will probably never pass if it's brought up at all. This is a joke.
First they have to bribe the Senate to pass this crap, then they have to beg for votes because the American people are demanding universal access to health care when they already have it. Totally delusional...
Baloney! How many in Congress actually respect any freaking deadline the "president" imposes? There is no frenzy of arm-twisting going on; everyone is too busy looking at their own polling internals. Nobody up on the hill cares what BO wants, anymore. They know his "health-care reform bill" is the kiss of death.
Even Pelosi doesn't care anymroe. She's exhausted, look at her. She doesn't want to call a vote because she KNOWS it won't win. Reid is planning his next job lobbying, but not many want him on their side, either.
Congress, both sides, would like this mess to go away. ALL the dems are praying for some new crisis to take BO's mind off healthcare.
THAT'S how desperate Americans are.
This is probably the tenth time I have asked this question but I still dont have an answer.
Article 1 Section 7 of the Constitution says all revenue bills must originate in the House of Representatives. This bill raises revenue but originated in the Senate. What is the story?
This is an all out assault on the American public.
Oh yeah! They want to avoid the town hall meetings that almost sunk the bill. What is it about town hall meetings and “almost sunk the bill” that Kathleen and the administraion don’t understand? WE DON”T WANT HEALTH CARE “REFORM!”
The Senate is irrelevant at this point. The reconciliation thing won’t happen. It is too much a mess.
I’m guessing Obama and Pelosi simply want to get the House to pass the Senate bill. Obama will sign it in ten seconds.
Then the Dems will try to get out the tax on high union healthcare plans over the summer but will be stymied by filibuster.
Then we wait until the November elections to see how big a victory we can get and whether we can gear up to roll any of this back after taking over both Houses. And it all might have to wait until 2012 unfortunately.
Fourth and goal. Stuff these Marxist bungholes for a BIG loss.
Lord, how I wish I could believe that.
Holy bovine creature!
They (the Dem aristocrats in general, and Ms Sebelius specifically) think we lowly peeps are sooooooo stupid as to let them tell us that we are "desperate" for them to confiscate our health plans.
Good health and freedom are too important. Americans will resist socialized medicine by every legal and ethical means available.
I read where they need to get 36 votes to switch to yes that have decided to vote no. In other words, they are 36 votes IN THE HOLE!
If they're successful, that's Chapter 11...
That would put them at 180 House CongressRats that better gird their loins for the political hell that is going to come pouring down on them.
no one is pointing out the dems desperation that they cannot proceed to conference and develop a compromise as is the normal legislative course, because it is so far from bipartisan—its fascistic. No worries. Seniors will rise up and demand repeal when Medicare Advantage is unceremoniously stripped from them next year (except the Floridians). 2011 will be glorious. The taxes, the Seniors’ wrath, the Republican house and Senate, and the no jobs hangover.
Reid took an obscure how tax bill and dropped in the managers amendment, which is the Senate health care bill. So the Senate HCR bill did originate in the House.
More broadly, note what the MSM and Democratic leaders choose to overlook: this bill is so unpopular that Democratic leaders dare not let their members go home. This alone is scandalous.
How can we put a steak in it and kill this bill and make the damn thing die? Every time it is dead, then they bring it back. They will get voted out win or lose on this thing. Dems are ending themselves on this Obamacare crap. People are tired of it, and want it gone. They are too dumb to figure it out, so they will be writing themselves out of office. I pray it fails, and then the Dems are gone for a very long time. Forever really. No more Commies in office for the rest of time. I dream big!
No, the House and Senate passed *different* bills. Not that such minor details would matter to Frau Goebbels here.
I hope the picture you paint of Dems in total CYA mode is accurate and I believe it is. The scenario I imagine is if Stretch and Pinky can’t somehow guarantee the votes, some of their members will pull out last minute. So it’s a guessing game because many of the dems wont want to be branded if it’s not sure to pass. I do believe though that there IS massive arm twisting going on and I’m sure Stretch’s appointment of Levin is giving her even more ability to make promises.
Democrats do not have a firm grip on the votes needed to pass sweeping healthcare reform legislation......one trouble with that statement in this op-ed disguised as news is, there IS no Democrat healthcare reform proposal. Thanks upchuck.
Americans will resist socialized medicine by every legal, (illegal) and ethical means available.
This is unconstitutional and illegal, and Americans will fight fire with fire!
the RATS had a 60/40 majority and couldn't pass it only to blame the republicans after the dead kennedy thing,
and NOW, with reconciliation when it only takes 51 votes, they don't have the votes???
They’re not voting in the Senate.. They’re voting in the House.. and they need 216 and last time they had 220 but on the other bill which HAD anti-abortion language in it and some other stuff that got votes. Now that stuff ain’t there so Stretch and Pinky are trying to get some side deals written up to get the rest on board.
The only part of this bill that originated in the House is the shell that Harry Reid gutted to insert the Senate health care bill into (to satisfy that particular constitutional requirement).
It was a dirty trick, and he clearly subverted the clear intent of the Constitution to do it.
This is the Senate bill that is currently residing in the House, and the one that Pelosi is scratching for votes to pass. The actual content of this bill originated in the Senate, not the House, but it retains the House bill number.
Barack Obama is just as unpopular in the Democratically controlled House and Senate as he is out here in flyover country.
Technically , youre wrong.
Don't amend it kill it dead!!!
“With not a single Republican supporting the reform effort, the only option for Democrats now is to have the House pass the Senate version of the bill”
This bill is healthcare-for-illegals and a taxpayer funded abortion bill. It has taxes, mandates and govt control over healthcare...
It’s an abomination. They have noright nor reason to pass it.
So by retaining the House number Reid kept the option of this 'reconciliation' tactic open in case his changes wouldn't get the votes back in the House.
“Fourth and goal.”
Exactly, and we are in the last minute of the superbowl and the D team is down by 5.
One last play - a hail mary pass, AN UP OR DOWN VOTE IN THE HOUSE - can make history.
But we have to be clear about this ... THE SENATE BILL IS A BAD BILL AND IT WOULD BE A DISASTER IF IT MADE IT INTO LAW.
If the bill doesn't get enough votes to pass the House, it's effectively dead. It won't go back to the Senate.
If it does pass the House, it could theoretically go back to the Senate for "reconciliation", but it will go to Obama for signing, first, if it passes the House.
Then, the question becomes; what motivation will Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have to make changes to it, once it's passed? It'll be the law of the land.
This is the lie of a promise that the three stooges are strong-arming House members with right now: "Oh, don't worry - we're going to get this right back to the Senate and make all those changes you want, but you gotta vote for it, first."
Would you buy that lie? No, you wouldn't, and neither are a lot of House members.
“This bill is healthcare-for-illegals and a taxpayer funded abortion bill. It has taxes, mandates and govt control over healthcare...”
I think that the Rats believe that if they can get this and then pass amnesty that they will have a 30 million strong voting bloc that will keep them in power forever.
Yes I do believe it but this statist bill is the kind of thing they've been dreaming about for years so in this sense they're all on the same side. But to be honest, I hadn't really considered your point until you made it. When it finally goes down in flames, G-d willing, it will be interesting to see the numbers.
Exactly. QED. I’m curious about the point I made concerning Levin. Is House Ways and Means where Pelosi will get the additional leverage to ‘persuade’ incalcitrant members? I guess I’m wondering where or how specifically she’s doing the arm twisting.
Especially since so many states are flat busted. Those guys are scared to go home anyway, much less with a freaking elephant when they can’t even afford to feed the cat.
Arm twisting will not work. Knee-capping will not work. Nothing will work. The bill bears the stain of Obama’s flop sweat. They all know that if they pass it, they may as well resign the day after.
Of course, I could be wrong. But if Pelosi says it’s a done deal, I’m asking why she needs to say it. If it was, she wouldn’t have to say a thing, now, would she?
I guess the promises that changes will be made to the final bill is one arm and the bribes each member can take back for paying for it at the state level is the other arm being twisted.
Pelosi is a low IQ, mouth breathing hippie from San Fransicko. She doesn't have the skills to wrangle a bunch of recalcitrant legislators together and get them to vote for something they're scared to death of.
She's basically fallen to simply asking the "no" voters to trust her, Obama, and Reid that they will make it all right after it passes. She's even made statements hinting that passing this legislation is so important, that they should all fall on their swords for it, if need be.
The only threat cards she has in her hand are withholding key committee assignments, or withdrawing party support for members' future congressional races.
I figure that a lot of Dems have read her hand, and aren't impressed. They know that they'll die at the polls, regardless, if they vote for this. Nanzi can't protect them from outraged voters.
With the mood of the country the way it is, and with the American people being so overwhelmingly against this unconstitutional power grab at our liberties, I'm sure some members of Congress are worried that they might not even be safe in their persons, should they vote this thing into law.
I know that would be one of my personal concerns, if I were in their shoes. Just how are they supposed to face the folks back home if they do this?
They all know that if they pass it, they may as well resign the day after.
Or pack their bags for Timbuktu. The country might well explode if this thing passes. All bets are off, if Obama gets his way with this.
At the very least, there will be lawsuits from all over the country challenging the constitutional legality of a nationalized health care law, and many states are already positioning themselves to buck the feds on this, should it pass.
If Obama wants a revolution, this is one sure-fire way to get it started.
I suppose, but those bribes had better be huge, and they'd better be in cash. Enough cash to be exiled for life somewhere outside the continental US.
The feds will have to start a "congress protection program" if they go through with this.
Especially since health care confiscation is a jobs vaporizer on a nuke-ya-ler scale.
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