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Leviathans may battle in remote depths
L.A. Times ^ | March 7, 2010 | Jill Leovy

Posted on 03/07/2010 9:24:28 PM PST by americanophile

In what could be the ultimate marine smack-down, great white sharks off the California coast may be migrating 1,600 miles west to do battle with creatures that rival their star power: giant squids.

A series of studies tracking this mysterious migration has scientists rethinking not just what the big shark does with its time but also what sort of creature it is.

Few sea denizens match great white sharks and giant squids in primitive mystique. Both are the subject of popular mania; both are inscrutable. That these two mythic sea monsters might convene for epic battles in the stark expanses of the Pacific is enough to make a documentarian salivate.

For more reserved scientists, the possible link between sharks and squid, suggested by marine ecologist Michael Domeier of the Marine Conservation Science Institute in Fallbrook, is just one part of emerging research that has altered their understanding of the great whites.

The shift began eight years ago with the surprising discovery that great white sharks migrate, somewhat as humpback whales do. That and subsequent studies have demolished the iconic image of great whites lurking in relative shallows, ready to snatch an errant swimmer, as popularized in the movie "Jaws."

Domeier said he believes the animals "are not a coastal shark that comes out to the middle of the ocean. They are an ocean shark that comes to the coast. It is a complete flip-flop."

Picture them not as a dorsal fin off the beach but rather as an unseen leviathan swimming through black depths where the oxygen thins and fish glow in the dark, and maybe pouncing on a 30-foot squid.

The squid part is controversial. But Domeier's work and that of other scientists increasingly suggests that great white sharks are not randomly roving eating machines.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: calamari; cryptozoology; giantsquid; kraken; sharks; squids
...because we can't talk about socialism and Muslim depravity all the time.
1 posted on 03/07/2010 9:24:28 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Much better fight between the Sharks and the Jets, and they dance too.


2 posted on 03/07/2010 9:30:01 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: americanophile
STOP! There was a sci fi movie about this, and a bad movie it was, in which great sharks battled great squids, moving into the shallows and wiping out harbors here and there. Now DO NOT tell me it was based on real stuff.
3 posted on 03/07/2010 9:31:02 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: americanophile

Forgot where (as seen on TV) A large sea aquarium had an octopus eating their sharks.


4 posted on 03/07/2010 9:37:41 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: HerrBlucher

Whoa! My gaydar just went off due to the West Side Story (show tunes) reference.


5 posted on 03/07/2010 9:40:10 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I saw both movies: Leviathan with the Peter Weller and the other oversized monster with the “size is dependent on remote depths” explanation is Deep Rising. Both movies are on Youtube..


6 posted on 03/07/2010 9:41:04 PM PST by max americana
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Now DO NOT tell me it was based on real stuff.”

Bush’s fault and Global Warming.


7 posted on 03/07/2010 9:41:11 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: All

It would be even better if we found out Great whites fought gorillas, or elephants... :P


8 posted on 03/07/2010 9:41:26 PM PST by uncle fenders
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To: americanophile


9 posted on 03/07/2010 9:43:47 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

wow!


10 posted on 03/07/2010 9:44:19 PM PST by americanophile
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To: Frantzie

LOL!


11 posted on 03/07/2010 9:47:41 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: americanophile

As currently understood, sperm whales are the primary predator of giant squid, and are frequently observed with sucker scars from the squid’s tentacles. If this account is true, I would have expected more great whites to have had evident scarring from the same. Also, I know most sharks caught have pretty extensive inventories done of their digestive tracts, and to my knowledge giant squid don’t feature largely in the literature in that regards. I’m not saying GW’s don’t eat giant squid, but I don’t suspect it’s as frequent or epic as this makes it sound.


12 posted on 03/07/2010 9:48:58 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cold Heart
Heck, the other day, I saw a man eat an octopus.
13 posted on 03/07/2010 9:52:00 PM PST by Krankor (nO)
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To: HerrBlucher

:-) LOL!


14 posted on 03/07/2010 9:52:56 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: americanophile

Killer whales > all. ;p


15 posted on 03/07/2010 9:55:10 PM PST by cranked
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To: Joe 6-pack

I totally agree.


16 posted on 03/07/2010 9:55:34 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

17 posted on 03/07/2010 9:55:35 PM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: pgyanke
...hahaha, what the hell is that?
18 posted on 03/07/2010 9:56:13 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile
I dunno....Sperm Whales tend to have scars from their battles with squid. I'd expect some of the same on Great Whites if they were hunting the same prey.

I wonder if they're just picking off the leftovers from the whales.

19 posted on 03/07/2010 9:56:20 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: americanophile

Search youtube for Batman and the Exploding Shark... and enjoy!


20 posted on 03/07/2010 9:56:57 PM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: americanophile
Yeah...this story struck me as little more than sensationalism when I got to this part...

"Though wary of pop biology, Domeier made the most of it. He used his time on camera to lobby against eating bluefin tuna and Chilean sea bass...If mythic predator-mania gave him the chance, so be it, he said. "We are at a state of real disaster of our oceans," he said."

Not that scientists would make stuff up to push a green agenda < /sarc>

21 posted on 03/07/2010 10:01:46 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Krankor
hey I ate an octopus once. It was about an inch long, in a Japanese restaurant. Not too bad, with a liberal swill of beer.
22 posted on 03/07/2010 10:02:22 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yeah? Well I ate an entire dish of calamari last Thursday...and it was very good!


23 posted on 03/07/2010 10:03:06 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: max americana
I think I saw "Leviathan," with the totally gratuitous and cheesy romantic interest between a Japanese egghead and a blonde?

Yeah great flick.

24 posted on 03/07/2010 10:04:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: americanophile

That was a shot from the “Batman” feature film they did off the TV series back in the 60’s. Batman reaches into his Utility Belt and pulls out a can of “Bat-Shark Repellent” and sprays it on the shark.

In reality, octupi eat sharks. I saw a Nat Geo special on octupi once. An aquarium put small sharks in a tank with a octopus in it. After a day, they’d find a dead shark. They kept adding sharks, and they kept ending up dead...and they hadn’t a clue as to why. No other species was in the tank that would attack sharks...or so they thought. So, they rigged a video camera and added another shark. The next day, they found a dead shark, then reviewed the tape. Sure enough, they saw the octopus attack, kill, and partially eat the shark. They had no idea octopi were even capable of that behavior.


25 posted on 03/07/2010 10:06:28 PM PST by hoagy62 (.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
heh. You're a better man than I am Gunga Din.
26 posted on 03/07/2010 10:07:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Fish Tacos” in Baja California are really made from shark, and octopus is a regular food item here. As is smoked marlin.

Come on down, the beer is fine.


27 posted on 03/07/2010 10:19:37 PM PST by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: bajabaja
when I went to the wedding of our former exchange student, in Campechi Mexico, on the Gulf side of the Yuctan, we ate both pulpa (Octopus) and calamari (squid)

The calamari was OK, and the pulpa tasted OK, but was very rubbery, just as one might expect. It was in a seafood salad, IIRC the calamari was separate with some kind of sauce available. It's been a while.

28 posted on 03/07/2010 11:36:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: americanophile

29 posted on 03/07/2010 11:53:35 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Captain Beyond

Here is a Youtube video of it. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgKxzU2Zqj0


30 posted on 03/07/2010 11:54:20 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Joe 6-pack

As a young Marine, I was exposed to the cuisine of several Pacific countries; namel, fish heads and rice (Japan), Octopus soup (Hong Kong) and panser (Phillipines). Copious amounts of beer are highly recommended.


31 posted on 03/08/2010 2:57:53 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: JoeProBono

Damn,..what size is that....?


32 posted on 03/08/2010 1:57:58 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

XXXXL


33 posted on 03/08/2010 2:00:28 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

ROFL!


34 posted on 03/08/2010 2:01:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NTHockey

Fish heads, fish heads, rolly polly fish heads
Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up Yumm!

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Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up Yumm!

In the morning, laughing happy fish heads
In the evening, floating in the soup

Fish heads, fish heads, rolly polly fish heads
Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up Yumm!

Ask a fish head anything you want to
They won’t answer, they cant talk

Fish heads, fish heads, rolly polly fish heads
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I took a fish head out to see a movie,
Didn’t have to pay to get it in

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They’re not good dancers, they don’t play drums

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Rolly Polly fish heads are never seen drinking cappuccino in
Italian restaurants with Oriental women. Yeeaahh

Fish heads, fish heads, rolly polly fish heads
Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up Yumm!


35 posted on 03/08/2010 2:03:03 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Our politicians are stupid and our policies unsustainable)
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