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55% Say Government Doesn’t Spend Enough on Public Education
Rasmussen Reports ^ | March 8, 2010

Posted on 03/08/2010 8:08:29 AM PST by reaganaut1

While government leaders attempt to tackle budget deficits that are ballooning to historic proportions, 55% of Americans say the government does not spend enough money on public education.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just 20% think the government spends too much on public education, while another 21% say the amount it spends is about right.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of Democrats and 55% of voters not affiliated with either party say the government does not spend enough, a view shared by just 42% of Republicans.

Among all voters, 45% believe it is more important for the government to aid low-income students than to help the best and brightest pupils, up four points from a survey last May. Twenty-six percent (26%) see helping the best and brightest students as more important. Twenty-nine percent (29%) more are not sure.

Most Democrats (63%) and a plurality (46%) of unaffiliated voters see aiding low-income students as the priority. Republicans are more narrowly divided: 41% say helping the best and brightest is more important, while 26% think the emphasis should be on low-income students.

Married voters are closely divided on the question, too.

Seventy-five percent (75%) of all voters say they have been following recent news reports about proposed cuts in public education funding due to state budget problems.

Last August, only 17% of Americans believed teachers should be asked to take furloughs or pay cuts to help deal with the budget crises that are facing many school systems nationwide.

President Obama has said U.S. children need to spend more time in school to make them more competitive with students from other countries, and 49% of Americans think the president is right. Thirty-seven percent (37%) disagree.

(Excerpt) Read more at rasmussenreports.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2010polls; arth; broke; education; educationfunding; publicschools; schools; spending; union
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1 posted on 03/08/2010 8:08:29 AM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

IOW,half those polled don’t know that state worker pensions are bankrupting their state.


2 posted on 03/08/2010 8:11:44 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: reaganaut1

Don’t shoot the messenger — Rasmussen polls often give Democrats heartburn.


This poll gives >me< heartburn.


3 posted on 03/08/2010 8:11:56 AM PST by unkus
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To: reaganaut1

What a crock of s*()! We spend way too much money on public education.


4 posted on 03/08/2010 8:14:18 AM PST by lesko
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To: reaganaut1

Good little drones, buying all the lies.


5 posted on 03/08/2010 8:14:22 AM PST by Tax-chick (Aw, CUSSWORDS!!!)
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To: reaganaut1

We spend plenty on public education, but much of it is wasted in paying for all the administrators. A friend of mine who teaches forensic accounting looked at our local school budget and estimated that at last 40% of the budget went to administrative costs.


6 posted on 03/08/2010 8:14:55 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: reaganaut1

55% of people are idiots on pubilc education spending. Clearly.

Much of this money goes to teachers unions and pension setups that are bankrupting the states. Not to mention have two vice principals in each school, a ton of administrative positions that suck resources away and add to pension burdens. Paid for continuing education junkets.


7 posted on 03/08/2010 8:15:00 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: reaganaut1; All

Does anyone know what percentage we spend on education vs. GDP? Just wondering if we can use that.


8 posted on 03/08/2010 8:15:59 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction (LOLcat sez: "ObamaCare: Do Not Want!")
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To: reaganaut1
When I was working on my Masters in Education in 2002, some of the students were trying to do a thesis that supported their hypothesis that there was a correlation between educational spending and student achievement. They were unable to find any studies that supported it. Some of the poorest schools in the country had the best achievement and some of the richest had the lowest achievement. The biggest factor was the attitude and involvement of the parents.

The main factor that was tied to money was the security of the school. Students who were worried about getting mugged in the hallways tended to do worse on achievement tests.

9 posted on 03/08/2010 8:16:21 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: reaganaut1

ping for later


10 posted on 03/08/2010 8:18:13 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: reaganaut1

Here is a clue for the 55% who think the government should spend more on education.

No matter HOW MUCH money you give the government schools, it will NEVER, EVER be enough!

Government schools are required by law to provide a lowest-common-denominator education, replete with political correctness, anti-americanism, anti-Christ indoctrination.

They cannot be repaired.

They must be abandoned.

An allegory that comes to mind is the Captain of the Titanic asking for more money to buy bigger pumps to pump the water out of the ship faster so it won’t sink.

American “Public Education” is a sinking ship, it cannot be salvaged. Leave it to the fishes and barnacles.

American “Public Education”, as it exists today in its morubund condition, is better understood as The Bus Ministry of the State Church of Marxist Humanism.


11 posted on 03/08/2010 8:18:46 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: reaganaut1

They need to ask the question a different way. Government K-12 schools cost, say $13,000 per pupil per year. With say 20 students per class, ask instead, we pay $260,000 to run one school classroom for one year. And that does not include full funding for retirement.

Would your church be willing to do it for less? Would you? I could make a comfortable living teaching four students at government rates.


12 posted on 03/08/2010 8:19:47 AM PST by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2010.)
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To: reaganaut1

My answer would be both yes and no. We spend a fortune on public education, but it is not always money well spent. DC public schools are a prime example of this. We spend far too much (nationwide) on administrators and “luxuries” than we do on teachers, books and building repairs.


13 posted on 03/08/2010 8:20:07 AM PST by brothers4thID (http://scarlettsays.blogspot.com/)
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To: reaganaut1
The comments are better than the stories:

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14 posted on 03/08/2010 8:21:06 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: reaganaut1

2/3rds of my property taxes go towards public school districts and I have no children. Hate to sound selfish about it but I get zero benefit from the involuntary ‘contribution’ and it being a mild form of socialism at that.


15 posted on 03/08/2010 8:21:37 AM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: Secret Agent Man

totally unrelated , I’m sure...
“Cash-Strapped States Delay Paying Income-Tax Refunds”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2465586/posts


16 posted on 03/08/2010 8:24:31 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: reaganaut1

That is because they have no understanding of where most of the money goes, like teachers unions and pension plans.


17 posted on 03/08/2010 8:27:18 AM PST by dforest
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To: reaganaut1
Almost all the greatest minds in American history learned in one room school houses... and yet we now spend 10’s of thousands a year on kids education and they can't even read...

I don't think it's the money.

18 posted on 03/08/2010 8:27:43 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: reaganaut1

The problem is the Government should not be involved in education we had a higher literacy rate when they were not.
Education is about 1 thing control of the people’s thought look where public education idea came from the Germans. It in only a little over 100 years old! We we get rid of public education and every other program the government doesn’t belong in we will be better off!


19 posted on 03/08/2010 8:27:56 AM PST by jroneil (2010 is all that matter now!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Compare/contrast the spelling, writing, grammar skills from Colonial America era with the modern education system. Compare/contrast also modern home schooling or private education with the bloated public school end products. If anything the opposite may be true-—more money allocated to public education may actually be a hindrance and wasteful to accomplish the objectives of learning.


20 posted on 03/08/2010 8:28:24 AM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: mbynack
The biggest factor was the attitude and involvement of the parents.
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Learning likely has **everything** to do with the parents since they do nearly 100% of the educating. ( Called “afterschooling”.) The school is merely sending home a curriculum for the parents and child to follow.

Really? Do we **really** know how much learning is actually happening in the institutional school? Do we really know how much the parents and the child, himself, is teaching and learning in the home?

If nearly everything a child learns is due to his parents or the child's own efforts in the home, maybe it would be better for academically successful children to merely stay at **home**. It could be the the institutional school is actually retarding his social and academic progress.

Also...If it is parents and the child who are doing 99.99% of the work at home, then only an **IDIOT** would expect government schools to help child from dysfunctional families. These kids likely need boarding school or KIPP schools.

21 posted on 03/08/2010 8:29:09 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: mbynack

And how many of those students who felt unsafe but had to be there because of truancy laws decided to make their schools look very bad the only way they can — do poorly on the oh-so-important achievement test?


22 posted on 03/08/2010 8:29:12 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: reaganaut1

God help us! What we have today is NOT education like when I attended school - it is pure and simple PROPAGANDIZING.


23 posted on 03/08/2010 8:30:44 AM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: mbynack

If every government school were permanently padlocked tomorrow, the same children who are educated today would be the same children who would be educated tomorrow!

Why? Because it is parents in the early years, and children as they grow older, who are doing 99.99% of the work IN THE HOME!


24 posted on 03/08/2010 8:31:29 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: reaganaut1

Most individuals are clueless about education spending. They have no idea about the bureaucratic monster inside public education. Public school compensation consumes about 85% to 90% of school budgets. Public school compensation overall is far above market compensation for education services. Private school compensation is far below public school compensation on just salary alone. Total compensation of public school employees dwarfs total compensation in private schools.

An increase in school funding will only increase the already bloated compensation. Union contracts decreases efficiency.

A serious sample would present reasonable choices. Do you want to increase your property taxes and other state taxes to ensure that teachers can retire at age 55 with 30 years of service with subsidized early retiree medical care? Do you want to pay more taxes to ensure that teachers can use a generous allotment of personal days to take vacations in the middle of an academic period? Do you want to pay more taxes so the total K-12 compensation still increases when your compensation decreases?


25 posted on 03/08/2010 8:31:35 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: reaganaut1
Hunh, and I've been saying that probs in education come from a lack of discipline, poorly educated teachers, no parental interest, too much administration, bureaucracy, and union involvement, and a curriculum that's dictated from the top down, rather than the bottom up.

And all we needed to do to fix things was throw more money at an already ridiculously bloated and overfunded program. Sign me up.

do i need a /sarc?

26 posted on 03/08/2010 8:31:51 AM PST by wbill
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To: mbynack
When I was working on my Masters in Education in 2002, some of the students were trying to do a thesis that supported their hypothesis that there was a correlation between educational spending and student achievement. They were unable to find any studies that supported it.

I think that's rather well known (but we're not supposed to talk about it). There is no correlation between education funding, and educational outcome.

The money benefits employees, but has no effect on students. So, why do schools exist? To benefit employees? Or students?

(The answer is: to benefit employees.)

27 posted on 03/08/2010 8:32:12 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: tflabo
Compare/contrast the spelling, writing, grammar skills from Colonial America era with the modern education system.

Well, one difference is the "official" illiteracy rate - back then everybody know that 50% of the population couldn't read and write - now it's politically incorrect to admit that, so the same people all have government jobs. :)

28 posted on 03/08/2010 8:32:30 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: reaganaut1

55% of those polled are morons?


29 posted on 03/08/2010 8:33:05 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: goldi
And how many of those students who felt unsafe but had to be there because of truancy laws decided to make their schools look very bad the only way they can — do poorly on the oh-so-important achievement test?
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My son who will be 40 in July reports that he and his friends sabotaged many a standardized government school test.

30 posted on 03/08/2010 8:33:26 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Should really read

“Cash strapped states delay paying refunds to ever-increasing unemployed Cash-strapped citizens”


31 posted on 03/08/2010 8:34:16 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: reaganaut1

It’s not true all over the USA but I familiar with many counties where teachers are way overpaid when the 9 month work year, pensions, bennies are factored in. They are greedy effin thieves who get their way due to the aura of sacrifice and “doing it for the children”

Repeat-— Not all teachers have this racket going


32 posted on 03/08/2010 8:35:28 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: reaganaut1

Out here in CA, we've fixed all of that with the lottery....(extreme sarcasm)

33 posted on 03/08/2010 8:36:23 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: reaganaut1

Results from people who don’t know a thing about the NUMBERS!!!


34 posted on 03/08/2010 8:38:36 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: reaganaut1

What a load of BS.How much more of the municipal budget is enough?50 percent,60,70,How much.It seems the more we spend on education the more uneducated kids get.

If these educators would stick to the 3 R’s instead of all of the feel good socialization classes our kids would be way ahead of where they are now.


35 posted on 03/08/2010 8:39:53 AM PST by puppypusher
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To: beaversmom

55% of those polled say government is not spending enough of other people’s money on education.


36 posted on 03/08/2010 8:40:16 AM PST by Old North State
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To: reaganaut1

Remember the Bush/Kennedy 2001 ‘No Child Left Behind’ for us taxpayer chumps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act

‘Since enactment, Congress increased federal funding of education, from $42.2 billion in 2001 to $54.4 billion in 2007. No Child Left Behind received a 40.4% increase from $17.4 billion in 2001 to $24.4 billion. The funding for reading quadrupled from $286 million in 2001 to $1.2 billion’.


37 posted on 03/08/2010 8:42:25 AM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: reaganaut1
Parents today see the public schools as free day care centers. They LIKE the free day care, so they feel more money should be spent to protect it.
It has nothing to do with education. It has to do with free baby sitters. They don't want to lose them. Without schools, they'd have to pay for it themselves.
38 posted on 03/08/2010 8:44:41 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
Out here in CA, we've fixed all of that with the lottery....(extreme sarcasm)

There was no way a lottery in North Carolina would "sell" unless it was labeled the NORTH CAROLINA EDUCATION LOTTERY

Just more government lies, and they slowly add more numbers to each game, more and more scam....but those 55% this thread is about...probably the same dumb morons that buy lottery tickets...

39 posted on 03/08/2010 8:48:18 AM PST by OBXWanderer
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I think you’re on to something there...


40 posted on 03/08/2010 8:49:07 AM PST by refermech
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To: bIlluminati
Actual numbers: (2008)
Government (non-charter) K-12 children: 49,299,000
Government (non-charter) K-12 teachers:  3,180,396
Cost per student (non-charter K-12):       $10,889
(does this include federal money?)
Cost per classroom per year:              $168,789

Government (charter) K-12 children:      1,407,421
Government (charter) K-12 teachers:         88,000
Cost per student (non-charter K-12):        $6,585
Cost per classroom per year:              $105,317
Direct cost of government schools $520,643,954,000
It actually costs much more than that, as the opportunity costs of not educating our children properly may run to a net present value of $2-3 trillion per year in lost future productivity.
41 posted on 03/08/2010 8:49:42 AM PST by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2010.)
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To: reaganaut1

ping


42 posted on 03/08/2010 8:50:14 AM PST by Ulysse (a)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
IOW,half those polled don’t know that state worker pensions are bankrupting their state.

This point needs to be hammered home. It's also essential to roll back all the liberal pedagogy. This is where the failure rate is coming from. It shouldn't take 30 or 40 thousand dollars a year (9 months) to teach kid reading, writing, arithmetic, history and science. They don't need stuff like environmental awareness week for heavens sake.

43 posted on 03/08/2010 8:50:41 AM PST by Track9 (Oh never mind)
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To: reaganaut1

Yeah, look at what D.C. gets for all the money spent on their schools. Half+ of America is stupid or at least ignorant.


44 posted on 03/08/2010 8:51:22 AM PST by manic4organic (Obama shot hoops, America lost troops.)
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To: reaganaut1

This is jaw-droppingly stupid of the American people.


45 posted on 03/08/2010 8:52:46 AM PST by Liberty1970 (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lydiablievernicht)
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To: metmom

bookmark and ping


46 posted on 03/08/2010 8:53:57 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: reaganaut1

Unfortunately, most of those 55% were educated, or as I like to say Feducated, by government schools. Those of us who were past school age when local control was relinquished and the Communists took them over yelled and screamed foul but parents were too busy working to pay sky rocketing taxes and pay to listen. The more money poured into education the less true education resulted. Suddenly Johnny couldn’t read. History books were revised. God and His wonderful Handbook To Happiness was forbidden. Classes which taught self discipline such as penmanship were discarded. Or that taught home making skills were dropped. Instead of being taught how to think, kids are taught what to think. The latest trend is to bypass recess so that the kids won’t get the physical activity and fresh air needed in order to focus well in the classroom! And now we are witnessing the grave results. 55% of people think we should throw more money at the schools, and 49%
think our Communist president is doing a good job! Can we be far from the Soviet States of Amerika, or are we already there?


47 posted on 03/08/2010 8:55:05 AM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: reaganaut1

Ugh, people are so gullible.

I, and most of my friends who homeschool, spend anywhere from $200 to $2000 per year to school our kids.

Some excellent private schools around here charge $6000 per student yearly.

Our school system here spends some $10,000 to $14,000 per child yearly.

The first two groups score higher on standarized testing than the third.

Money does not good education make.


48 posted on 03/08/2010 8:58:06 AM PST by justsaynomore
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To: reaganaut1

First thing we do then is cut out school lunch program spending and put it on EDUCATION itself.


49 posted on 03/08/2010 8:58:46 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; AngieGal; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

50 posted on 03/08/2010 9:00:22 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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