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RNC heading for cliff: Refuse to back Tea Party candidate that won Repub. Primary
The Patriot Room ^ | 03/07/2010 | Clyde Middleton

Posted on 03/08/2010 9:26:18 AM PST by Neil E. Wright

A taste of the RNC logic:

National Republican Party fundraisers aren't putting much stock in Joe Walsh's campaign to unseat incumbent Democratic U.S. Rep. Melissa Bean in the suburban 8th District [Illinois], a spokesman said Thursday.

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"We're really focused on the seats where we see the clearest paths to victory," [National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Tom] Erickson said. "It's no secret these are the most competitive (races)."

The RNC will find a reason at every turn to favor their candidate over a Tea-Party candidate. To whom should they be listening - their entrenched bureaucracy or the voters? We know what the intra-WDC folks say - and it is reproduced, in part, below. Let's look at the voters:

U.S. House - District 8 - GOP Primary

Illinois - 503 of 503 Precincts Reporting - 100%

Name Party Votes Vote %
Walsh, Joe GOP 16,109 34%

Beveridge, Dirk GOP 11,638 25%
Rodriguez, Maria GOP 9,763 21%
Geissler, Christopher GOP 4,256 9%
Dawson, John GOP 3,909 8%

Jacobs, Gregory GOP 1,441 3%

And, now, let's read how the RNC will create their own demise:

National Republican Party fundraisers aren't putting much stock in Joe Walsh's campaign to unseat incumbent Democratic U.S. Rep. Melissa Bean in the suburban 8th District [Illinois], a spokesman said Thursday.

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"We're really focused on the seats where we see the clearest paths to victory," [National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Tom] Erickson said. "It's no secret these are the most competitive (races)."

The Walsh-vs.-Bean matchup doesn't make the cut. Walsh wasn't the GOP group's choice to face the three-term incumbent, Erickson said.

"In the primary, we had really liked Dirk Beveridge or Maria Rodriguez," Erickson said, referring to two of the five candidates Walsh defeated Feb. 2. "Those are the two candidates who we thought really had the potential to make this a very competitive race."

The Walsh camp isn't concerned about Erickson's ranking of the state's races, campaign spokeswoman Whitney Schlosser said.

"Joe Walsh is not part of the establishment and, unfortunately, some elements of the GOP establishment are still a bit tone deaf when it comes to independent, conservative reform candidates," Schlosser said in an e-mail. "It helps explain why they didn't see Walsh's primary victory coming."

A nine-point thumping in a crowded field isn't good enough for the RNC.

The fallacy of their logic is that they are telling us - "Yes, this race, but, no, not this candidate." The dem incumbent in Illinois 8 either is or is not vulnerable. The opposition candidate rarely makes her vulnerable - she does it herself. The opposition candidate merely exposes those vulnerabilities, exacerbates them, and makes them winning issues. He or she then runs on their own merits to bring home the electoral victory.

So we are reminded by the RNC: Dede Scozafavva was good enough; Joe Walsh - who beat their favored candidate fair and square - is not.

We conservatives do not want a 3d party, but you all in the RNC are making it more and more difficult to try to work out our differences.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2010midterms; il2010; joewalsh; republican; rinos; rnc; rncc
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No more RINOs!!!!!!!

FREEDOM!

1 posted on 03/08/2010 9:26:19 AM PST by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright

The RNC is a PROGRESSIVE organization!


2 posted on 03/08/2010 9:28:37 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Neil E. Wright

I listened to John Gibson and his rant about how the Tea movement should support RINOs,,, uhm John, the RNC should support conservatives first and RINOs second


3 posted on 03/08/2010 9:29:56 AM PST by South Dakota (Drill baby, drill)
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To: Neil E. Wright

It’s amazing how many times people keep returning to the very group who has repudiated Conservatism more times than can be counted over the years. The OP(formerly the GOP) has no intention of working with Conservatives. People need to drop the notion of taking back the party.


4 posted on 03/08/2010 9:30:36 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Neil E. Wright

RINOs are counter-productive.. they assume powers not granted to them by the voters.


5 posted on 03/08/2010 9:31:33 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
No more RINOs!!!!!!!

DITTO!!

6 posted on 03/08/2010 9:32:11 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Neil E. Wright

RNC...the flip side of the DNC Federal coin....


7 posted on 03/08/2010 9:32:20 AM PST by mo
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To: Man50D

No Third party! That will be the end of this nation as we had known it. God help our Republic in what this administration is doing.


8 posted on 03/08/2010 9:33:28 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kafar!)
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To: South Dakota
"..Tea movement should support RINOs.." that mentality needs to be purged from the RNC well before November.
9 posted on 03/08/2010 9:33:29 AM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (A country can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

We need more information.
What is the Party registration, in this District?

Republican?
Democrat?
Independent?

In a war, you do NOT target EVERY enemy position, you pick and choose where to spend your energy, your ammunition, your resources, and your blood.

Sure, the RNC makes mistakes, any large organization makes mistakes.

However, you have not shown, in your post, that the RNC is wrong, in this instance.


10 posted on 03/08/2010 9:33:42 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: South Dakota

“the RNC should support conservatives first and RINOs second”

The RNC should support conservatives first and RINOs **never**.

If they refuse to comply, then they should be removed from their offices, or the pubby party can die a well-deserved death.


12 posted on 03/08/2010 9:35:03 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Same Old Sierra - the Republican Party will implode if it continues this arrogant stiffarming of legitimate candidates.

Colonel, USAFR


13 posted on 03/08/2010 9:35:43 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: All

Here is a little secret, the candidate lost his home due to a foreclosure....


14 posted on 03/08/2010 9:36:12 AM PST by KevinDavis (No money for the moon, but money for High Speed Choo Choo's....)
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To: cameraeye

“No Third party! That will be the end of this nation as we had known it. God help our Republic in what this administration is doing.”

Okay, so destroy the pubbie party and raise a new party that will actually oppose evil.


15 posted on 03/08/2010 9:36:34 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: KevinDavis

Oh good he’s one of us!


16 posted on 03/08/2010 9:37:27 AM PST by Syncro (TPXIII coming soon! March 27th to April 15th 2010)
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To: Kansas58

“In a war, you do NOT target EVERY enemy position, you pick and choose where to spend your energy, your ammunition, your resources, and your blood.”

That’s not the issue here.

The problem is that what blood and treasure the pubbies are investing is going to the wrong candidate.


17 posted on 03/08/2010 9:38:11 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Principle > Party.

Tar and Feather Rinos ! (metaphorically speaking of course)


18 posted on 03/08/2010 9:38:30 AM PST by SENTINEL (SGT USMC COMBAT VET)
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To: Kansas58

To 10- You’re assuming that logic prevails at this site?


19 posted on 03/08/2010 9:39:12 AM PST by jla
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To: Man50D

“People need to drop the notion of taking back the party.”

I’m not sure I follow. The party wouldn’t be taken back by working with them, but by deposing them.


20 posted on 03/08/2010 9:39:20 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

It is not the RNC — if you people cannot see the difference then do some homework.

The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) — get that! NRCC not RNC is involved in Congressional races. They are concentrating on seats they feel they can win and this is not one of them. Doesn’t make any difference who the person is that won.

There is not enough money to go around so you concentrate first on taking back seats in Red States, then move to ones who only went Blue for Obama, and last up are candidates from solid blue states.

The comments are ludicrous at best about the RNC which does not get involved in most Congressional races unless asked by the NRCC.

That said — rely on the grassroots. If you want this guy to win, open your wallets, go volunteer, and help him with a grassroots effort. That’s how you win elections not expecting the national people to come in and save the day.

Get off the dime and go to work for this person — he needs boots on the ground and all of you to open up your wallets and go back to the old fashioned way of campaigning. I will be more then happy to give some ‘free’ advise on how he can do this campaign on a frugal basis.

Freep Mail me if you want some ‘free advise’ on ways to cut costs. It has worked with other candidates who are facing a race and using the grassroots with little money. Takes a lot of effort, but it can be done.


21 posted on 03/08/2010 9:40:30 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Rick Perry - TX Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 !)
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To: jla

“You’re assuming that logic prevails at this site?”

One man’s logic is another man’s...well, let’s say “another man’s failure to get it.”


22 posted on 03/08/2010 9:40:46 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Don Corleone

“The RNC is a PROGRESSIVE organization!”

It’s the party of Theodore Roosevelt.

And the guy who said, ““I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold.” That was John McCain if the quote is unfamiliar.

Teddy attempted to refashion the Republican Party in the progressive image until 1912. Then, he gave up and formally formed the Progressive Party, which was colloquially known as the Bull Moose Party.


23 posted on 03/08/2010 9:40:52 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: dsc

Just send money to conservitaves and let the rnc support the rinos..If this guy passes we support him...hell the tea party support Scott Brown.. he is not a real cosertive we will see if he is a rino..everybody cannot be 100%


24 posted on 03/08/2010 9:41:28 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Don Corleone

We don’t want or need a Third Party and I’m not going to vote “Tea Party”.


25 posted on 03/08/2010 9:42:11 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Neil E. Wright
The RNC will find a reason at every turn to favor their candidate over a Tea-Party candidate.

Why is "Tea-Party" capitalized, as if it is an organization of some kind rather than a catchy nickname for an effective protest movement from last year? Has the name already been trademarked by ambitious political whores?

26 posted on 03/08/2010 9:42:24 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Neil E. Wright; Salamander; Slings and Arrows; Markos33; JoeProBono; GSP.FAN

27 posted on 03/08/2010 9:44:43 AM PST by shibumi ("..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: cameraeye

There would be no THIRD PARTY! There is only one party now! We need a SECOND PARTY! If the RNC doesn’t shape up and listen the Conservatives, it deserves to go off the cliff. Enough is enough. It is time for a good Conservative party to rise from the ashes! Go Tea Party Movement!


28 posted on 03/08/2010 9:47:10 AM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: PhiKapMom

“It is not the RNC — if you people cannot see the difference then do some homework.”

Nobody said it was.

“Doesn’t make any difference who the person is that won.”

That’s the problem. It does matter.

“There is not enough money to go around so you concentrate first on”

Again, not the issue here. The problem is that what support is forthcoming is going to the wrong candidate.

“The comments are ludicrous at best about the RNC”

Actually, they’re not, and you are being insulting with no justification whatsoever. People commented on the RNC, but no one said anything that wasn’t factual.

“That said — rely on the grassroots.”

Good advice, but doesn’t change the fact that the pubbies are supporting a RINO over a conservative — yet again.

“I will be more then happy to give some ‘free’ advise on how he can do this campaign on a frugal basis.”

Advice.


29 posted on 03/08/2010 9:49:10 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Don Corleone

Joe Walsh? Great gutar player.


30 posted on 03/08/2010 9:51:26 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Hojczyk

“Just send money to conservitaves and let the rnc support the rinos”

Good advice.

“..the tea party support Scott Brown.. he is not a real cosertive”

Ironically, decent people are often slowest to see the perfidy that lurks in a scumbag’s heart.


31 posted on 03/08/2010 9:51:46 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I dont much care what the RNC does. If I see someone I wish to contribute to, I will send them my donation that used to go to the RNC.

Right now I throw their letters in the trash and hang up the phone when they call. Still they dont get the message, Screw em.


32 posted on 03/08/2010 9:52:19 AM PST by Venturer
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To: BunnySlippers

>We do not want or need a third party and I’m not going to vote Tea Party!<

Then you are part of the problem! See my post 28.


33 posted on 03/08/2010 9:52:30 AM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Neil E. Wright

We conservatives do not want a 3d party,

A 3rd Party, a 4th Party, ... is the only way to force the national debate into the deeper questions of personal responsibility, which is freedom, versus government dependence. Big money parties are only incubators for corruption and complicity. Given of course that the outsiders can break the media stranglehold and enter the debate at all.

We either trust the individual to understand the dignity of freedom and responsibility, or let the political class (political parties) have their way with us.

There is a long long way to go to turn it around, if ever. Complicity, Joseph Conrad wrote a novel about that (Victory).

34 posted on 03/08/2010 9:54:35 AM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Who is still giving money to the RNC? Don’t think they have much to give. Donations to the RNC are down over 50% since Steele took over.


35 posted on 03/08/2010 10:02:16 AM PST by rae4palin (islam is of the devil)
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To: Neil E. Wright

OK folks... Don’t get too spastic.
Bean won this district in 2008 by 60% to 40%, and by 51% to 44%.

The RNC probably sees assets better used elsewhere. It’s up to US to Support the Tea Party candidates, in the end. Not the RNC.


36 posted on 03/08/2010 10:06:48 AM PST by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: tcrlaf

I think the rnc did not support Scott Brown...or waited til the end and it looked like a good bet....


37 posted on 03/08/2010 10:12:21 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: tcrlaf

Scott Brown was down 30 points at one time..


38 posted on 03/08/2010 10:13:44 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

The Rnc called me a couple of days ago...I told them I chose who gets my money..I do not want my money going to McCain


39 posted on 03/08/2010 10:16:27 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: shibumi; Salamander; Markos33; Neil E. Wright
Sounds like the RNC needs to spend some time Rocky Mountain way.
40 posted on 03/08/2010 10:21:01 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Jim Robinson is the onle person that sweets proper nut sweet. leave the man alone."--Sarah-bot)
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To: Neil E. Wright
You couldn't find this kind of stupid in a whole season of The Three Stooges.

The RNC reported in January that their cash levels are at one third what they were one year prior. In the real world, such executives would find their smoking carcasses hanging from the yardarms.

Maybe when they drop to ZERO, the RINO bastages will start listening.

41 posted on 03/08/2010 10:24:40 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: tcrlaf

The RNC will not have the resources to support every conservative candidate in every congressional district this year. Why? Because a lot of conservatives (like me) don’t like letting them make those decisions for them and don’t give them money. If you want a guy supported, give him money yourself. Don’t hold your money back from the RNC and then criticize them for not supporting candidates. That is thinking the way the libs do. The RNC does not have a magic money generator.

For several years now, I give only nominal amounts to the RNC. All of my campaign donations go directly to the candidates.

Now, if the RNC is providing support to an opponent to a conservative candidate (like NY-23) then they deserve lots of criticism. But the only punishment they listen to is the money message. Don’t give them any.

But the downside of that is they will increasingly start to represent the interests of those who give them money. So if moderates give them more money, they will act more moderate. Youse get what youse pay for. So pick your poison.


42 posted on 03/08/2010 10:35:26 AM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

The RNC is worthless to us. It has been for decades.

I still maintain that Reagan would never have been president if the party insiders had had their way.


43 posted on 03/08/2010 10:50:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: Paperdoll

You are the problem. Your Third Party will never win anything.

Dems will come in first
GOP comes in second
Your Third Party comes in a very distant third

That’s how all third party elections go.


44 posted on 03/08/2010 10:58:22 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Man50D
The OP(formerly the GOP) has no intention of working with Conservatives. People need to drop the notion of taking back the party.

Ownership of the party isn't up to the hacks who currently run it, it's up to the people. The people can take back their party by simply becoming involved at the entry levels, and working their way up in sufficient numbers to begin steering it back toward common sense conservatism.

Going third party is a death sentence for the center-right, for conservatism, and for this country. Bite your tongue.

45 posted on 03/08/2010 11:01:56 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
This article clearly point out why people are hanging up when the RNC and the other Republican fund raising organizations call. I think this year the money is going to flow to the Tea Party organizations and directly to the candidates that we support.

It is a fact that I'm happy with my solid Republican Congressman. He doesn't really need my support to keep getting elected but a lot of conservative Congressional candidates across the country will. That's where I'm putting my campaign donation bucks. I'm going to look for good candidates, see what kind of campaign they are running, check to see if they are within reach of winning and send them a check if they are. Forget the RNC.

46 posted on 03/08/2010 11:03:21 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Windflier
Going third party is a death sentence for the center-right, for conservatism, and for this country. Bite your tongue.

You're assuming we have a two party system. We have one big socialist Republicrat party thanks to the OP incrementally accepting socialism in order to expand the voter base.
47 posted on 03/08/2010 11:07:27 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Kansas58
We need more information

IL-10 is an historically Republican district in the NW Chicago outer suburbs. The seat (pre-Bean) was most recently held by Phil Crane for many, many years.

48 posted on 03/08/2010 11:07:51 AM PST by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: TheRightGuy

It’s IL-8 actually (IL-10 is Mark Kirk’s district) but you are correct about Phil Crane. This isn’t like we’re asking the national party to spend a gazillion dollars targeting Nazi Pelosi’s faggot district in San Francisco; IL-8 is a WINNABLE district and a conservative like Joe Walsh is the right man for the job, right now, despite what the liberal squishes at the RNC or NRCC (or some on this thread) think.


49 posted on 03/08/2010 11:18:53 AM PST by PermaRag (the stock market will stop bleeding when those who manipulate it START bleeding)
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To: Man50D
You're assuming we have a two party system. We have one big socialist Republicrat party

So it's high time that people like you and I get off our duffs and replace the RINOs in the Republican party, to effect the change we want.

50 posted on 03/08/2010 11:30:57 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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