Posted on 03/08/2010 1:12:10 PM PST by Amerigomag
Roy Ashburn, the conservative California state senator who was arrested last week for drunk driving after reportedly leaving a gay bar, has acknowledged that he is gay.
CBS13 reports that Ashburn made the announcement to a radio station where he used to host a talk show.
"I'm gay," he told radio host Inga Barks, according to the Sacramento Bee. "Those are the words that have been so difficult for me for so long."
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No Ray, you're not "gay", you are a HOM-O-SEX-U-AL.
Now try and pronounce THOSE words correctly.
It appears that ole Ray has more than just one "sin" (or as God calls homosexuality: "an abomination"). Excessive drinking (drunkenness) and endangering other peoples lives while driving drunk aren't gonna get him a first class ticket to Heaven anytime soon.
While homosexual acts are sins, at least this guy cast his vote on the matter based of Biblical morals.
Biblical morals tell us to repent our sins; by publically announcing that he's "gay", it doesn't sound like ole Ray is going in the right direction when it comes to repentance.
Rather have that than a so-called Christian supporting abortion rather than “impsose his own morals on others.”
You summed up my argument with the words "so-called". He isn't a Christian; by acknowledging that he's a homosexual and has no desire to repent, he's a phoney Christian. What makes you think he can be a phoney Christian, yet a good conservative?
Are you trying to say that politicians can be disloyal to God, yet be loyal to their conservative constituents?
We can start with hedonism and loose morals.
I did not suggested that he is a Christian. I merely implied that despite his moral failings/sins, he has voted Biblical position on issues related to homosexuality.
In most cases, it’s a domineering mother and a detached or absent father figure. In others, it tends to be a result of homosexual abuse.
Understood. Now that he has admitted that he is a hypocrite; not only to his constituents but to God Himself, it's time that he goes "buh bye" from the conservative policital spectrum.
If he REALLY wants to be free of the homosexual lifestyle, then there are plenty of organizations out there that can help. At that point, if he were to return to his conservative and Christian constituents and ask their forgiveness and want to once again represent them, I for one would welcome him with open arms.
I just watched this story on our local news.
Reports and film showed Ashburn returning to work and being greeted warmly and embraced by fellow workers.
I find this curious because he was DUI, but as I understand it, the main point was that he made Republicans look bad.
As long as you make Republicans look bad, anything can be forgiven.
Is there Republican challenger that can stop up and defeat him so he can have more time to spend in the public restrooms?
There are plenty of hypocrites in all churches. Most of them know it which is why they are there.
Homosexual acts are sins, but a lot of other non-sexual acts are also sins.
When confronted, this guy admitted to his behavior and yet still voted the Biblical position homosexuality.
BTW, I also did not say he should remain in office.
Amen to that brother. There are entire congregations that are riddle with sinners (some are even accepting homosexual clergy), they're called "Ala Carte Christians": they get to pick and choose which of God's laws they want to abide by.
The major difference between them and Roy Ashburn is: they're not put in a trusted position by the constituents of their district to LEGISLATE.
Homosexual acts are sins, but a lot of other non-sexual acts are also sins.
Do you believe that all sins are "equal" in the eyes of God? There is the "sin" of getting drunk on occasion; and then their is the "abomination" of man lying with man. The key in this case is that Ashburn hasn't said that he intends to repent.
Also remember my FRiend, we're in a heated culture war right now, where homosexuals and their allies are trying to push a Godless "abomination" into our valuable institutions (marriage, the family, the military, organized religion and youth mentor groups). How can someone like Roy Ashburn fight that yet still live it?
When confronted, this guy admitted to his behavior and yet still voted the Biblical position homosexuality.
Again, he lied to God and himself, yet stayed true to his constitutents with his voting record. How long do you think he could have kept up the facade before he gave into the interests of his new "identity"?
BTW, I also did not say he should remain in office.
Good. Unlike the Godless progressives that don't care if their representatives are adulterers, homosexuals, drug addicts, thieves, or like Teddy Kennedy, a murdering alcoholic sexual deviant, we need to hold our elected officials up to higher standards: those standards put forth by God and His laws.
To be sure, committing the ACT is a choice of behavior. Believing you are a homosexual isn’t. Certainly, there are a great many pedophiles that have never acted on their impulses that would love to figure out why they feel that way, and what they could do to stop feeling that way.
By the way, believing (you are a homosexual) is a behavior in my book, a thinking behavior.
Homosexuality is defined by the behavior. Drug Addict is defined by the behavior, Achoholicsm is defined by the behavior, smoking is defined by the behavior. Lying is defined by the behavior
By the way I am a real bigot when it comes to behaviors, but I dont’ care if people are pink or purple, or have a mole on their butt. Maybe I have a strong sense of right and wrong inherited from my parents.
The question is, are we going to tolerate and encourage homosexual behavior, or discourage it. Time and common sense have shown it to be a destructive behavior. We are not discussing the cause of this behavior yet. It is a BEHAVIOUR. An alcoholic in AA will always describe him self as such because he knows it is a behavior and he is responsible for his behavior. I don't think they spend much time on the causes because it lessens their responsiblity.
Now as to causes, I suspect there are many, but have yet found proof of a genetic test for homosexuality no matter how much the lie is presented to us.
Behavior is a complex process that we will NEVER fully understand NOR PREDICT human behavior 100% of the time. I came through the college years of skinner and other psychologists that the environment controls behavior. Now, the fashionable cause is genetics. NO ONE presents all the research of the 50’s and 60’s because it is not fashionable.
That said, we do get to peek at the truth and Gods complexity on occasion. A side note is that we cannot predict human behavior 100%, nor climate because it is so complex and there are so many millions of variables. Heck, we can't get a 3 day weather forecast correct because it is too complex, but the weatherman is right maybe 60-70% of the time?
Imprinting as a cause of behavior was backed up with a lot of research. I suggest if you really want to get closer to the truth you begin there. It makes sense to me and fits in with my idea of how God designed us. A baby chick is designed to follow the first thing that moves which is usually the mother hen and that is a good thing. If you are the first thing it sees move, it will follow you.
I think God designed imprinting into us also, there are certain stages in our growth when we are very impressionable and what God designed for good gets perverted by man when we expose children to perverted behavior like homosexuality. In that respect, homosexuality is not just a behavior, it is a learned behavior.
BOTTOM LINE, HOMOSEXUALITY IS A BEHAVIOUR, 2nd point is the discussion of acceptable behavior, and third what are the causes. Liberals do not want us to talk about the first and second point and want to misdirect and lie to us about the 3rd point.
I personally agree, but then there are those that would place their mouths on either the birth canal or on the penis, and that is not considered abnormal.
The idea of normal vs. abnormal is cultural, not scientific. There’s a tribe in Indonesia that finds it culturally acceptible to circumsize women, put plates in their own lips, extend the necks of their women with sets of rings, and other things we here in the West may consider odd.
My, or your, opinion isn’t as germaine as understanding WHY some men are sexually attracted to another man’s hairy ass. WHY is a scientific question. Psychology/psychiatry doesn’t cut it either.
Read Song of Solomon or a few very good books on SoS and it is clear that oral stimulation between a husband and wife is very Biblical.
What is preferable?
1. Being out of the closet about one's sexuality.
Or
2. Living life on the down low, marrying, having kids, etc., while still having feelings for men.
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