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Runaway Prius Needed Help to Stop: CHP
NBCSanDiego.com ^ | 3/8/10 | R. STICKNEY

Posted on 03/08/2010 6:42:10 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo

California Highway Patrol officers say their patrol car acted as a brake for a Toyota Prius with a stuck accelerator Monday.

The car, headed eastbound on Interstate 8, was going at a high rate of speed because the accelerator was stuck, according to CHP spokesperson Brian Pennings.

The patrol car moved in front of the Prius and engaged its brakes to bring the Prius to a stop, according to CHP.

The car eventually stopped on the highway near the La Posta Bridge in the area of the Golden Acorn Casino.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: automakers; brakes; chp; lawsuits; lawyerswetdreams; legalextortion; prius; recall; toyota
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1 posted on 03/08/2010 6:42:11 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

People are idiots put the fricking thing in neutral and stop


2 posted on 03/08/2010 6:44:10 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

My daughters friend from work had this happen to him. Was not a Prius, it was another Toyota model.


3 posted on 03/08/2010 6:45:16 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: al baby

Yeah. If you can’t control your ride. Don’t drive.


4 posted on 03/08/2010 6:46:59 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Armed And Cantankerous.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

BS....probably driving while demoncrat.


5 posted on 03/08/2010 6:47:28 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (If the constitutional eligibility of the president is not a "winning issue," then our nation is lost)
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To: al baby

and turn the ignition OFF!


6 posted on 03/08/2010 6:48:48 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: al baby

I am starting to wonder about these “runaway” incidents. I think that a lot of this is lawsuit hunting.

I mean, comeon! Anyone with a half a braincell should be able to think — engine out of control, disengage engine.


7 posted on 03/08/2010 6:48:53 PM PST by Ronin
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I don’t believe it and I don’t like Toyota. I would take a Honda over a Toyo and own a Ford product which I like.

Toyos and Toyo Lexuses are over rated. Lots of times their owners are libs.


8 posted on 03/08/2010 6:49:05 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: al baby

Or turn the ignition off(without locking the steering wheel)


9 posted on 03/08/2010 6:49:20 PM PST by Farmer Dean (every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Im serious i had a couple of WFO’s in some old cars smash in the clutch and stop wtf is so hard


10 posted on 03/08/2010 6:49:52 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

11 posted on 03/08/2010 6:51:12 PM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: al baby

Remember when the accelerator stuck on your 38 Chevy and you turned the key off and then on again and blew the dual Smithy Steelpaks off...


12 posted on 03/08/2010 6:51:47 PM PST by tubebender (Tagline... I don't need no stinkin Tagline)
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To: SandRat

No you don’t want to lose vacuum boost to the brakes


13 posted on 03/08/2010 6:52:07 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: al baby

I believe that the computer sensor has to recognize that brake is on to allow you to put it into park or neutral. When these cars get possessed the computer doesn’t recognize that the brake pedal is pressed so it doesn’t slow the car or allow it to go into neutral or park.


14 posted on 03/08/2010 6:52:34 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (According to the MSM, I'm a fringe sitting, pajama wearing, Freeper)
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To: SandRat
You were saying ...

and turn the ignition OFF!

Ummmm..., don't do that while driving... or you'll be in a heap of trouble... LOL...

15 posted on 03/08/2010 6:52:44 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: tubebender

Why yes yes i do


16 posted on 03/08/2010 6:52:58 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: al baby

Toyotas are usually bought as appliances by people who don’t care about driving. So when their driving appliance malfunctions, they are the least likely to know what to do about it.


17 posted on 03/08/2010 6:53:28 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: tubebender
Remember when the accelerator stuck on your 38 Chevy and you turned the key off and then on again and blew the dual Smithy Steelpaks off...

That always worked good at around 3AM.

18 posted on 03/08/2010 6:53:37 PM PST by bubbacluck
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

And why don’t the drivers stop depressing the gas pedal?


19 posted on 03/08/2010 6:54:07 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

Not in Neutral


20 posted on 03/08/2010 6:54:36 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

They probably caught him speeding and he just said the accelerator was stuck... LOL...


21 posted on 03/08/2010 6:55:04 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: al baby

That’s what I’m sayin’....


22 posted on 03/08/2010 6:56:09 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Armed And Cantankerous.)
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To: JimWayne
You were saying ...

And why don’t the drivers stop depressing the gas pedal?

Ummmm... the cruise control did it... was stuck on 120 MPH... LOL....

23 posted on 03/08/2010 6:56:45 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I didn’t even know Toyota make keyboards but I was in Best Buy today and picked this one uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp


24 posted on 03/08/2010 6:57:24 PM PST by DManA
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I’m personally qequivocal as to whether this phenom is reality or fantasy. I believe Toyota generally builds fine quality cars.

But I would opine that there is a computer programming fault when, should the computer detect simultaneous “energetic” depression of *both* the brake and the gas pedals, it doesn’t either crank back the gas or assign priority to the brake. Or both.


25 posted on 03/08/2010 6:58:33 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

NO car needs to have the brake on to be put into neutral!


26 posted on 03/08/2010 6:59:00 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: tubebender

My accelerator stuck wide open on my Delta 88 while I was commuting into Detroit on M-14. I waited a few miles for a better exit with a service station. I wasn’t traveling much faster than the flow of traffic (I was going about 95mph).


27 posted on 03/08/2010 6:59:28 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: liege

Cars back in Al’s day had vacuum powered wipers and Al would pull the hose off and go down Mulholland drive backfiring all the way to he bottom... at 3AM while Al drank his 14th Lucky Lager tossing the bottles out the window...


28 posted on 03/08/2010 7:02:53 PM PST by tubebender (Tagline... I don't need no stinkin Tagline)
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To: SandRat
"and turn the ignition OFF!"

How do you do this if there is no key, you only have the start button. However one might try to step on the break. It's BS to say the break can't overcome the engine in a hybrid car. I can see this claim in a vacuum assist break system with no vacuum, due to low vacuum with the throttle wide open, but not with an electric car.
29 posted on 03/08/2010 7:03:49 PM PST by JoSixChip (It's time to embrace the madness! The sooner we default the sooner we can reorganize.)
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To: SandRat
and turn the ignition OFF!

BAD idea for a woman with power steering. Put the thing in neutral to disengage the tranny.

30 posted on 03/08/2010 7:04:30 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Is there a reason (besides stupidity) why the ingition can’t be turned to the off position on these cars?


31 posted on 03/08/2010 7:04:42 PM PST by matthew fuller (1962- Last year of intelligence- First year of television.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

These stories are so implausible.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Runaway-Prius-Needs-Help-to-StopCHP-86965487.html
“”Sikes said his Prius seemed to be accelerating on its own — reaching speeds of more than 90 mph on Interstate 8 at one point — before he called the California Highway Patrol. A CHP officer was able to locate Sikes, then pull alongside him and instruct him over the patrol car’s PA system on how to slow the car down. Eventually, after the Prius stopped, the officer placed his patrol vehicle in front of the car as it came to a stop in the No. 1 lane of eastbound I-8. Initial reports from the CHP incorrectly stated that the patrol car pulled in front of the Prius, acting as an additional brake to get the car to stop.

Sikes said he was standing on the brake pedal, trying to slow down.

“I was on the brakes pretty healthy,” Sikes said. “It wasn’t stopping, it wasn’t doing anything to it, and just kept speeding up, kept going, and I called 911 right away, and they were trying to tell me what to do, but I couldn’t hold the phone and the steering wheel properly at the same time, so I just kept trying my methods, dropped the phone and it just kept going faster. I just stayed on the brakes as much as I could until finally they started smelling really bad and I had metal sounds coming in the car.”

Sikes said the CHP officer arrived shortly afterward and told him to use the emergency brake. He also tried to shut off the car, which it finally did, then he rolled to a stop near the La Posta Bridge in the area of the Golden Acorn Casino.””


32 posted on 03/08/2010 7:04:49 PM PST by iowamark
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To: JimWayne; al baby
I believe that the problem stems from the cruise control. I think that it takes control of the throttle.

Many reports from the people that have experienced these problems state that they made numerous attempts to turn off the key and that did not work either.

33 posted on 03/08/2010 7:05:17 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (According to the MSM, I'm a fringe sitting, pajama wearing, Freeper)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

I can put my Lexus into neutral with the engine on and the accelerator depressed. It is then a simple matter to brake and pull off the road.


34 posted on 03/08/2010 7:05:21 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: SandRat

That is what I thought, keep hearing these stories of runaway cars and cannot understand why they don’t shut it down?


35 posted on 03/08/2010 7:06:09 PM PST by Jolla
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To: DManA

On the morning drive to work last week, I got caught behind a vehicle in the right lane that was going about 45 in a 65. As I inched up, I was able to determine that it was a Toyota.

I thought, out loud, “Aren’t these things supposed to go like hell??”


36 posted on 03/08/2010 7:06:31 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Armed And Cantankerous.)
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To: matthew fuller

Yep......

Neutral.

Key.

Brakes.


37 posted on 03/08/2010 7:08:24 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Armed And Cantankerous.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Reminded me of a silly experience in my past lol! I had a 71 Trans Am with a stroker Chevy motor. As I had changed the ignition over and had an MSD box and a hidden switch to control the ignition voltage as a security system, one day while driving I realized I only needed the ignition to start the car. So I switched it off while driving....
Shortly after that I realized the steering was locked, shortly after that I was relieved to only hit a stop sign. I knew from experience those suckers go down without a fight. Guess I am just one of those people who learns by peeing on the electric fence.
That was nearly as fun as the time I got a custom built set of leaf springs. I figured these were so badass I didn’t need shocks. Sort of like riding a 460 hp frog through an entrance ramp to 95...


38 posted on 03/08/2010 7:09:00 PM PST by When do we get liberated? (STATE CONTROLLED ECONOMIES SUCK ! LONG LIVE AMERICA.)
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To: JoSixChip

And you make the best point of all. Don’t those drifters from Japan routinely stomp the throttle and hold the brake just let the wheels burn up some rubber (and make a lot of smoke) while sitting still?


39 posted on 03/08/2010 7:09:05 PM PST by dcgst4
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To: iowamark

I have been in the auto repair business for 60 years and I actually don’t know a thing about these Prius hybreds. Was this stretch of hyway downhill?


40 posted on 03/08/2010 7:09:07 PM PST by tubebender (Tagline... I don't need no stinkin Tagline)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

A 50lb car at 50mph. Shouldn’t be hard. On a serious note, can they not be put in neutral? The rev limiter should keep the engine from blowing up.


41 posted on 03/08/2010 7:09:41 PM PST by ebshumidors (Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Star Traveler

See my post...


42 posted on 03/08/2010 7:10:21 PM PST by When do we get liberated? (STATE CONTROLLED ECONOMIES SUCK ! LONG LIVE AMERICA.)
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To: ebshumidors

Or not..

A blown motor is a lot better than dead people.


43 posted on 03/08/2010 7:11:32 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Armed And Cantankerous.)
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To: gogogodzilla

You’re right. Toyotas are like appliances. Yeah, mt fridge is fun! /s


44 posted on 03/08/2010 7:13:08 PM PST by ebshumidors (Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: JimWayne

They do. But it's not like the old days, when the gas pedal was linked to an actual throttle valve which would shut by spring tension when one took their foot off the pedal.

I've never dug into one, or looked at a manual for one, but it's sort-of like "fly by wire", in that control inputs are picked up by sensors, which send signals to a computer, which then (I'm assuming) sends electric impulse to variable servos?

When sensors send bad outputs, either due to localized mechanical sticking or bad erroneous output, computers get confused, or undesirable feedback loops result? Something along those lines, if it's not simply a stuck sensor or control module --- or even computer error, alone?

I'm getting the impression that even Toyota is wondering "what the... hey?"

I hate computers in cars, though they can do wonders for performance, and/or fuel economy.

45 posted on 03/08/2010 7:13:15 PM PST by BlueDragon (there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to both variation & deviation)
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To: Frantzie

Well if you see one with a Vietnam Service decal and an American Flag on the rear window don’t honk.


46 posted on 03/08/2010 7:14:51 PM PST by onedoug
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To: al baby; ButThreeLeftsDo

Nothing is mechanical on these new cars, including the transmission/gear shift. Basically they are computers with wheels. If the software is bad, there’s nothing you can do. In once case a Highway Patrolman and his whole family were killed when the car accelerated to 130 MPH and nothing he did would stop it. I heard his 911 call played on a talk show, and clearly the guy was calm, collected, and knew he and his whole family were about to die. His last word was “Pray”.

Don’t believe the BS about floor mats and stuck pedals. It’s the microchips.

BTW if you turn the ignition off, the steering wheel locks.


47 posted on 03/08/2010 7:15:04 PM PST by Hugin (Remember the first rule of gunfighting...have a gun..-- Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: JoSixChip
How do you do this if there is no key, you only have the start button.

The Prius has a "power" button, which is enabled by inserting the key fob in a slot below the button. I don't know what happens if you press the power button while on the road or remove the key fob, but I would expect it to turn off the ignition.

In any event, the Prius also has a transmission that can be shifted into neutral, or at least into "park". I doubt that those changes would also be ignored by the throttle.

This is simply another case where the driver panic'ed.

48 posted on 03/08/2010 7:19:37 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
'""""Sikes said his Prius seemed to be accelerating on its own -- reaching speeds of more than 90 mph on Interstate 8 at one point """"

Now why can't I believe that? Accelerating on it's own???

If he was hitting the foot feed in order to try to disengage, at some point before 90 MPH, I think I would get a clue.

49 posted on 03/08/2010 7:21:05 PM PST by annieokie
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The Prius doesn’t really have a “key”. The computer will prevent it from being shut off by simply depressing the “on off button” while driving. I think you need to hold it down to convince it to shut off while in motion.

Also, the “shifter” doesn’t really have neutral. Well, it HAS it, but getting to it is a challenge. All of this done with the usual motorist talents / mentality isn’t something I would expect.

As anyone here who rides a motorcycle can tell you, 99.9% of people have NO BUSINESS or even brain function to be on the road.


50 posted on 03/08/2010 7:21:13 PM PST by Celerity
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