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Many Nations Passing U.S. in Education, Expert Says
New York Times ^ | March 9, 2010 | Sam Dillon

Posted on 03/10/2010 2:31:54 AM PST by reaganaut1

One of the world’s foremost experts on comparing national school systems told lawmakers on Tuesday that many other countries were surpassing the United States in educational attainment, including Canada, where he said 15-year-old students were, on average, more than one school year ahead of American 15-year-olds.

America’s education advantage, unrivaled in the years after World War II, is eroding quickly as a greater proportion of students in more and more countries graduate from high school and college and score higher on achievement tests than students in the United States, said Andreas Schleicher, a senior education official at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development in Paris, which helps coordinate policies for 30 of the world’s richest countries.

“Among O.E.C.D. countries, only New Zealand, Spain, Turkey and Mexico now have lower high school completion rates than the U.S.,” Mr. Schleicher said. About 7 in 10 American students get a high school diploma.

Mr. Schleicher’s comments came in testimony before the Senate education committee and in a statement he delivered. The panel plans to rewrite the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, the main law governing federal policy on public schools.

The committee also heard from Dennis Van Roekel, president of the National Education Association, the largest teachers’ union; John Castellani, president of the Business Roundtable, a group that represents corporate executives; and Charles Butt, chief executive of a supermarket chain in Texas, who said employers there faced increasing difficulties in hiring qualified young workers.

The blame for America’s sagging academic achievement does not lie solely with public schools, Mr. Butt said, but also with dysfunctional families and a culture that undervalues education. “Schools are inheriting an overentertained, distracted student,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: arth; education
Looking at NAEP reading and math scores for 17-year-olds, there has been little change in reading scores by race from 1990 to 2008 and some improvement in math, but the changing demographic mix has caused math scores to stagnate and reading scores to fall. Immigration policy should be changed to reduce low-IQ immigration. A highly progressive tax code with generous child tax credits for low income households, in a country with very high college costs, discourages the more educated and affluent from having more children and encourages the other end of the spectrum to have more.
1 posted on 03/10/2010 2:31:54 AM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
America’s education advantage, unrivaled in the years after World War II

What's the context or perspective, if any, on stuff like this? Supposedly, Sputnik in 1957 was the "great wake-up call" and there were all sorts of educational initiatives.

2 posted on 03/10/2010 2:41:09 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: reaganaut1

NYT pimping a socialist/progressive/union future education package...which they then will come out advocating 4-day schools while teachers take no cuts in pay or get paid more. /s


3 posted on 03/10/2010 2:48:08 AM PST by cranked
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To: gusopol3

If you discount or toss out the rural school statistics...which show something like nine of ten kids graduating...the overall results would be alot worse. Urban school decay is around half the entire problem. But you won’t dare hear any political figure from either party say that in public.


4 posted on 03/10/2010 2:48:20 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: reaganaut1

First the unions destroyed our manufacturing sector. Then our government employees sector, and now are education sector. What’s next? Wait till they try and unionize our military!!


5 posted on 03/10/2010 2:49:46 AM PST by Laserman
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To: reaganaut1

The big missing points are course content and the unionization of public education.
A quick look at the progressive indoctrination centers that we call public schools will explain both our failure in education and the current downfall in our government.


6 posted on 03/10/2010 2:50:32 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: reaganaut1

‘UNExpediently’????


7 posted on 03/10/2010 2:53:23 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: reaganaut1
Not surprising.
Schools hese days are more interested in equality of outcome rather than excellence of outcome.

As long as the libs at the NEA are in charge, our government-schooled kids are doomed in world competition.

Is why we home-schooled.

8 posted on 03/10/2010 2:53:33 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: reaganaut1

compare the scores each year from 1966 to today... and you will notice the decline started shortly after the creation of the department of education.

government education

controlled by progressives

is there any wonder we’re falling behind?


9 posted on 03/10/2010 2:55:48 AM PST by sten
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To: RSmithOpt
Indeed.

It is sad but it is not by any stretch of the imagination news.

Multiculturalism, self esteem, political correctness, the student aid system and the liberals domination of the education hierarchy have all worked together to gut the US education system.

10 posted on 03/10/2010 3:00:57 AM PST by Pontiac
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To: gusopol3
Supposedly, Sputnik in 1957 was the "great wake-up call" and there were all sorts of educational initiatives.

As far as I can see, up until about 1957, the US was doing pretty well in education. Then they rolled out all of these "initiatives" and made the schools into leftwing indoctrination centers. The quality of education started going down at that time.

As it often does, the Left said one thing (We need to improve education) and did another (Let's dumb down America).

11 posted on 03/10/2010 3:06:01 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: sten
1966 to today... and you will notice the decline started shortly after the creation of the department of education.

To what extent does the expansion of the pool of test takers, i.e. 50% of H.S. students as opposed to 25%(I'm only guessing) , account for the decline? I know mh kids' high school education has been a lot more rigorous than mine was. Except they don't teach grammar anymore.

12 posted on 03/10/2010 3:08:08 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: ClearCase_guy

Sounds like the Progressive enterprise that Glen Beck elucidates.


14 posted on 03/10/2010 3:13:39 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
I know mh kids' high school education has been a lot more rigorous than mine was.

Can I ask where you live? The high school textbooks I see today remind me of the textbooks I had in junior high school or even elementary school.

15 posted on 03/10/2010 3:14:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: arbooz
I know to fix it: we just don't spend enough money on this problem

A couple of "shoulda's" : Kansas City Missouri : Progressive Education doctrine::RomneyCare: Obamacare. Shh! Don't tell the people.

16 posted on 03/10/2010 3:17:47 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: reaganaut1

I think that you are closer to the truth. So much of this has to do with breeding. The minorities are popping out kids by the dozens and America has to live with this outcome. And the outcome is going to be controlled more and more by foreign values and lower IQ that they bring in here.


17 posted on 03/10/2010 3:21:54 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: ClearCase_guy

A relatively prodigious number of kids in Maryland take Calculus in high school, there were probably only 25 or 30 of my 700 + graduating class that did. That alone is enough to keep the midnight oil burning. Plus AP’s, which are quite rigorous. And 7 majors; in my time, 4 was the norm , 5 the limit.


18 posted on 03/10/2010 3:23:54 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Added to ...

Obama-nomics & Greece [link-list]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2464021/posts?page=4


19 posted on 03/10/2010 3:51:17 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (ONLINE TAX REVOLT 150,000 AND GROWING. http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com)
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To: Steamburg

I would suggest you should explicitly recognize the Colleges of Education in our universities as the drivers of the weak course content and methods being used in our schools.

If I were Czar (”the” real Czar, not “a” wimpy Obama czar), one of my first acts would be to abolish Colleges of education and all public-sector unions, including most importantly the teachers’ unions.


20 posted on 03/10/2010 3:55:33 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: reaganaut1

Does the report explain why ghetto gangbangers hold their glocks sideways?


21 posted on 03/10/2010 3:58:56 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: ClearCase_guy

My kids are at the Junior High level right now, and the math and science education is as strong as mine (actually math may be even more rigorous).

English is a problem which has forced me to look at remedial options for my oldest daughter and homeschooling next year for my youngest daughter (I am on the look out for some service that can do a quality job correcting essays with feedback - something my oldest kid is not being exposed to even though she is in 8th grade). The literature requirements for the kids are a joke (not reading Tom Sawyer in 7th grade??? I can’t even imagine it). Fortunately my kids are omnivorious readers so that is not an issue.

My kids do a whole lot more homework than I did at that age - some of it very good, some of it not so good (too much coloring and art type projects in classes like Social Studies). The competition for grades - especially in math is brutal - with a very high bar set for an A.

I am in an excellent school system (lots of kids of university professors, engineers, and other professionals). The parents really care about their childrens’ education.


22 posted on 03/10/2010 4:01:37 AM PST by exhaustguy
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To: reaganaut1
"The blame for America’s sagging academic achievement does not lie solely with public schools, Mr. Butt said, but also with dysfunctional families and a culture that undervalues education. “Schools are inheriting an overentertained, distracted student,” he said."

Sorry, Mr. Butt (my, what an APPROPRIATE name), but the blame lies COMPLETELY on the "education establishment" and their leftist collaborators, who are more interested in using the schools to propagandize than to educate.

23 posted on 03/10/2010 4:01:53 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: reaganaut1
Get the Liberals out from the front of the classroom and start actually teaching FACTS again. True History, Math, etc. They have truly ruined our Education system. Wait until you see how they are going to crash the best health care system in the world.
24 posted on 03/10/2010 4:31:03 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: metmom

ping


25 posted on 03/10/2010 4:36:47 AM PST by JenB
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To: reaganaut1
Two points:

Who determines the quality of education (US vs foreign countries) Judging by the degreed people from foreign countries I deal with, I not impressed.

During the recent Texas primaries, mainly liberal candidates were spouting data saying Texas was 43rd in education in the US.

Wonder how adding a large number of kids who can't speak English (and their parents) effects those numbers? Are other states who have high immigrant populations ranked toward the bottom?

The answer is YES.

26 posted on 03/10/2010 4:49:36 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: reaganaut1
It is very discouraging to read the remarks from conservatives on this post.

Not one conservative understands that socialist, single-payer government schools are the very definition of socialism!

GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS CAN NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT BE FIXED!!!

Why?

Answer: BECAUSE SOCIALISM CAN NOT NOT NOT NOT BE FIXED!!!

Solution: We must move to complete privatization with charity picking up the slack for the poor! Vouchers, tax credits, and charters can help move us in that direction and help start building the infrastructure for complete privatization, but the direction for education on all levels ( K-12 and university) must be toward complete separation of school and state. And...This even includes our state colleges and universities!

If we ever have socialized medicine in this nation, I can see it now. One hundred years from now conservatives will be posting:

** If only we didn't have medicine unions.
** If only we didn't have the National Union of Nurses.
** If only medicine were controlled by the the counties.
** If only we elected conservatives to the local medicine board.
** Medicine was good in 2020s. If only we could go back to the 2020s.
** If only medical school and nursing schools would get candidates that didn't have the lowest SAT scores on campus.
** If only we could get back to medicine basics.

Why don't you guys “get it”????? SOCIALISM NEVER WORKS!!!

And NO NO NO NO NO socialist schooling in the U.S. NEVER worked!!! NEVER! If it did we would not have had ( within one to three short generations) the following:

** the IRS
** the federal reserve
** Unions
** the feminist movement
** the failed “One World” League of Nations followed by the abominable U.N.
** FDR and all his socialist programs with the New Deal
** Johnson's Great Society
** the abolishment of the gold standard
** And thousands of socialist programs and agencies

Simply by attending, children learn that the government can take money from their neighbor to pay for a service their parents want for tuition-FREE!! And,..WORSE!..Their teachers teach them that tuition-free schooling is a right!

Well!...Duh!...If the government can take money from their neighbor for tuition-free school, why not other stuff?

Yes, I am shouting. I am **EXASPERATED**!!!

27 posted on 03/10/2010 5:05:37 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Public school curriculums have been hopelessly watered down.
The SAT exams have been watered down.


28 posted on 03/10/2010 5:08:34 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: gusopol3

We already do not have an education system. We have indoctrination centers for the purpose of cranking out little shheple that will accept their soon to be serf status.


29 posted on 03/10/2010 5:11:23 AM PST by dforest
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To: 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; AngieGal; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

30 posted on 03/10/2010 5:17:05 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime

Bless you!

Never give up your clear and unadorned insight as to the necessarily socialist character of State schools.

It is still my opinion that only America’s children can shut down the System, adults having for various reasons bought into the Establishment narrative.


31 posted on 03/10/2010 5:17:10 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: wintertime
It is very discouraging to read the remarks from conservatives on this post.

I agree with that. I will also note that many people who agree that government schools are broken will also say "I'm just glad my kids go to a government school which isn't broken -- our school is excellent."

I'm pretty sure that 90+% of the time those schools aren't quite so excellent and that parents would be dismayed if they knew the truth about their local school.

32 posted on 03/10/2010 5:18:48 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: Steamburg
The big missing points are course content and the unionization of public education.

The underlying problems are one of basic economics. Parents do not pay for the education of their children. Single payer systems never provide top quality for low price. NEVER. It matters not whether it's education, health care, or automobile production. The Scoda never had a chance at being better and cheaper than a Corolla.

There are two requirements for improved education in this country

a) parents must pay directly for the service

b) fathers must be fathers to there children

33 posted on 03/10/2010 5:30:19 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Back in 98, the average cost per student was 5,900 per year. It’s gone up long a lot since then. Rush pointed out that we could save money driving them to school in limos [or something to that affect]. Heck, that’s $59,000 dollars in ten years. Let the parents have the money as a tax credit and let them educate their kids with internet/CD/DVD systems if they want.


34 posted on 03/10/2010 8:13:28 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (ONLINE TAX REVOLT 150,000 AND GROWING. http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

The Dept. of Education, and the NEA will fight us tooth and nail over this. Reagan had one glaring failure. He didn’t abolish the DOE.


35 posted on 03/10/2010 8:32:15 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: wintertime

Some people here only parade as conservatives, but they’re really socialists. That’s why their solution for education is never the free market. They want the state to continue running the education system. So, instead, they propose things like an “immigration policy... to reduce low-IQ immigration.”

Yet, if there were no “free” public education, and if parents were on their own to educate their children using the options available on the free market, only those people willing to do for themselves would come here. This country would be like Galt’s Gulch, except with compassion because we Americans are very charitable and helpful, voluntarily, when we see another person is in a tough spot.


36 posted on 03/10/2010 11:05:50 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

So many people don’t even know they are socialists, because for whatever reason their little piece of socialism is just “fairness” or “common sense”.


37 posted on 03/10/2010 11:14:19 AM PST by JenB
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I heard Boortz mention today that teacher union pension plans are powerhouse investors. Why? Because of the marvelous education our kids get? They are ripe for ripping up.

One reason I say that is how Greece is an ideal poster boy for union-based economies.

Strike Paralyzes Greece
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704240004575084853361540506.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_world

I love a couple neglected headlines:

Germany: ‘We’re Happy to Give the Greeks Anything, Just Not Money’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2463825/posts

Germany wants Greece to sell off its islands for cash
http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20100304-25667.html


38 posted on 03/10/2010 1:50:16 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (ONLINE TAX REVOLT 150,000 AND GROWING. http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com)
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