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Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
Times Online ^ | March 10, 2010 | Richard Owen

Posted on 03/10/2010 10:58:17 AM PST by camerongood210

Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that that "the Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy See's chief exorcist.

Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration included power struggles at the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon".

He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including these latest stories of violence and paedophilia."

He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican "cover-up" over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. "They covered up everything immediately," he said. "Here one sees the rot".

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aloisestermann; cedrictornay; demon; demonic; demons; duplicate; emanuelaorlandi; enricodepedis; excocism; exorcism; exorcist; gabrielamorth; romancatholicism; vatican
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1 posted on 03/10/2010 10:58:17 AM PST by camerongood210
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To: camerongood210

70,000 cases?

that’s 7 per day over 25 years


2 posted on 03/10/2010 10:59:39 AM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: camerongood210
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We could use this guy over here — under the Capitol dome and in the White House.
3 posted on 03/10/2010 11:01:40 AM PST by Touch Not the Cat (You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory; it is better to perish than to live a slave)
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To: Mr. K

An exorcise in exorcism?


4 posted on 03/10/2010 11:02:28 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: camerongood210

The devil came back in the 1960’s and been busy ever since.


5 posted on 03/10/2010 11:02:35 AM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

Baah, they’d toss out his smoking corpse in five minutes.


6 posted on 03/10/2010 11:03:50 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

Ageed.
Satan is in the WORLD. Period.
Bagging Clerics is his first goal.


7 posted on 03/10/2010 11:04:45 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62
Bagging Clerics is his first goal.

I think I might have to disagree with that. I think his first goal is to convince us he doesn't exist (although he may have already succeeded to some extent with our fellow man). Just like CS Lewis wrote in The Screwtape Letters, Satan's greatest achievement was convincing mankind he didn't exist.

8 posted on 03/10/2010 11:10:04 AM PST by camerongood210
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To: camerongood210

What does Romney have to do with the Devil at the Vatican? Romney has no chance in hell of being president, so why are you afraid of him? He is an extinct RINO. I also find it weird that I never see any of these special video boxes for Huckabee.


9 posted on 03/10/2010 11:11:50 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: camerongood210
"chief" exorcist?

That brings to mind a squad of lesser exorcists under his command.

70000 cases in 25 years is 7.6 per day, seven days a week, and not much time for anything else....

10 posted on 03/10/2010 11:12:10 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: camerongood210

Well, this Times story distorts it a little bit, but of course there are problems in the Vatican. They were pretty widespread leading up to Vatican II and after, and they are still there.

Then again, there will always be some problems. With Jesus at the Last Supper, you might say that about 8% of the Apostles were possessed by Satan.


11 posted on 03/10/2010 11:12:52 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 999replies
What does Romney have to do with the Devil at the Vatican?

That's an advertisement, not placed by the article poster.

12 posted on 03/10/2010 11:13:52 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: camerongood210

“The devil [is] pure spirit, invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in the person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different languages, transform himself or appear to be agreeable.”


13 posted on 03/10/2010 11:14:43 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Oh no, not that Romney crap file again!)
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To: Mr. K

From comments at the link;
“For those questioning the number:

“Dealt with” is not the same as “performed an exorcism.” Every case where demonic possession is deemed a serious possibility is reviewed by a number of people — including physicians and psychiatrists — and he would have been one of the reviewers in some cases, and consulted for his advice in others.”


14 posted on 03/10/2010 11:15:57 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Mr. K

Maybe that’s 70,000 cases over his entire career, not just the 25 years at the Vatican. Also, what’s a case? Is a guy with 10 demons considered 10 cases?

Bottom line: he’s experienced, but maybe not smooth with statistics.


15 posted on 03/10/2010 11:16:54 AM PST by married21
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To: camerongood210
I see no reason why the Vatican wouldn’t be Satan;’s highest priority target. It was for his minions, the Communists, the Nazi’s, the secular humanists, and the useful idiots in the ranks of the Protestants. Satan’s first step is to get you to believe that he doesn’t exist. His second step is to get you to believe that God doesn’t exist.
16 posted on 03/10/2010 11:18:24 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: camerongood210

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Paul VI himself say that the Vatican was infested with the “smoke of Satan?”


17 posted on 03/10/2010 11:19:36 AM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: camerongood210

This guy hasn’t heard Mr. Camping of “Open Forum” and “Alameda Bible Fellowship”, who claims Satan was given control of the major Christian Churches (they were abandoned by the Holy Spirit - according to Camping) in 1988.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Camping

http://www.atlasbooks.com/marktplc/01508.htm

To Camping’s followers, this story is like:
“So what’s new?!?!”


18 posted on 03/10/2010 11:19:51 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Izzy Dunne; camerongood210

Thanks for the info Izzy, I had no idea it was an ad placed by FR. Apologies to you camerongood210. No RINOS.


19 posted on 03/10/2010 11:22:34 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: camerongood210

“the Devil is at work inside the Vatican”

Of course. For centuries


20 posted on 03/10/2010 11:23:49 AM PST by rae4palin (islam is of the devil)
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