Skip to comments.Climate bombshell: NASA and the media knew of temperature data issues nearly three years ago
Posted on 03/11/2010 7:42:55 AM PST by jpl
Email messages obtained by the Competitive Enterprise Institute via a Freedom of Information Act request reveal that the climate dataset of NASAs Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) was considered by the top climate scientists within NASA itself to be inferior to the data maintained by the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU).
The NASA scientists also felt that NASA GISS data was inferior to the National Climate Data Center Global Historical Climate Network (NCDC GHCN) database.
These emails, obtained by Christopher Horner, also show that the NASA GISS dataset was not independent of CRU data.
Further, all of this information regarding the accuracy and independence of NASA GISS data was directly communicated to a reporter from USA Today in August 2007.
The reporter never published it.
There are only four climate datasets available. All global warming study, such as the reports from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), must be based on these four.
They are: the NASA GISS dataset, the NCDC GHCN dataset, the CRU dataset, and the Japan Meteorological Agency dataset.
Following Climategate, when it became known that raw temperature data for CRUs HADCRU3″ climate dataset had been destroyed, Phil Jones, CRUs former director, said the data loss was not important because there were other independent climate datasets available.
But the emails reveal that at least three of the four datasets were not independent, that NASA GISS was not considered to be accurate, and that these quality issues were known to both top climate scientists and to the mainstream press.
In a response to reporter Doyle Rice of USA Today, Dr. Reto Ruedy a senior scientist at NASA recommended the following:
Continue using NCDCs data for the U.S. means and Phil Jones [HADCRU3] data for the global means.
We are basically a modeling group and were forced into rudimentary analysis of global observed data in the 70s and early 80s.
Now we happily combine NCDCs and Hadley Center data to evaluate our model results.
This response was extended later the same day by Dr. James Hansen the head of NASA GISS:
[For] example, we extrapolate station measurements as much as 1200 km. This allows us to include results for the full Arctic. In 2005 this turned out to be important, as the Arctic had a large positive temperature anomaly. We thus found 2005 to be the warmest year in the record, while the British did not and initially NOAA also did not.
It should be noted that the different groups have cooperated in a very friendly way to try to understand different conclusions when they arise.
Two implications of these emails: The data to which Phil Jones referred to as independent was not it was being corrected and reused among various climate science groups, and the independence of the results was no longer assured; and the NASA GISS data was of lower quality than Jones embattled CRU data.
The NCDC GHCN dataset mentioned in the Ruedy email has also been called into question by Joe DAleo and Anthony Watts. DAleo and Watts showed in a January 2010 report that changes in available measurement sites and the selection criteria involved in homogenizing the GHCN climate data raised serious questions about the usefulness of that dataset as well.
These three datasets from NASA GISS, NCDC GHCN, and CRU are the basis of essentially all climate study supporting anthropogenic global warming.
NASA sickens me. They have disgraced the names of brave astronauts like Gus Grissom. Shut NASA down.
The nature of deception and fraud are such that it continues, and escalates, until it’s exposed. When they were able to fudge on a couple temperature readings and nothing happened then the practice spread. And it continued to spread from area to area until the whole was contaminated.
NASA hasn’t done ANYTHING worthwhile since Apollo. The Space “Shuttle” has locked this country into Low Earth orbit for the better part of 20 years. The ISS is NOTHING but a boondoogle!
Maybe someone should ask Barbara Boxer about her reliance on NASA data when she was confronted about the East Anglia snafu?
“Shut NASA down.”
No. Just move NASAs Goddard Institute for Space Studies weather division over to NOAA. Let NASA focus on space related projects.
NASA hasn’t had a “vision” for many decades, and they were smart enough to see the writing on the wall a few years ago regarding budget constraints related to space travel.
I am sure there was a concerted effort by the bureaucrats at NASA to seize upon global warming research as their next cash cow.
“For] example, we extrapolate station measurements as much as 1200 km.”
1200 km is over 700 miles. That’s like assuming the weather conditions in NY are the same as in Tennessee.
ISS has been a scam to employ lots of Russians and Teamsters. I was shocked at how many Teamsters were in NASA. My guess is Von Braun never allowed that union scum to work on space craft.
I was reading the transcripts of the Apollo 11 landing yesterday. Armstrong and Aldrin were so damn smart. Aldrin was off the charts and Neil was smart plus a great pilot. America’s best and brightest. Neil’s incredible cool under pressure landing the LEM. Just amazing.
Don’t condemn all of NASA because of one nutcase (albeit one with powerful friends in high places).
I would bet that Hansen now has absolutely nothing to do with what we, the public, think of NASA, i.e. “Space Exploration”, although his early work was computer modeling of the atmosphere of Venus.
“The NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), at Columbia University in New York City, is a component laboratory of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center Earth-Sun Exploration Division and a unit of The Earth Institute at Columbia University. Current research at GISS emphasizes a broad study of global climate change.”
“A key objective of GISS research is prediction of atmospheric and climate changes in the 21st century. “
Hansen is just another one of those far left, radical kooks from Columbia University... ;-)
Ditto. Shut NASA down.
This whole Country has gone to hell. Every legislation that gets passed is hurting this once great nation. They are destroying everything that people work for and make it impossible for anyone to get ahead. Why?
Plans to take over all water ways.
Make sports fishing illegal.
Banning all off shore drilling.
Making people get National ID cards.
Micro managing our health care.
Making it illegal to farm and sell your produce without Gov. consent.
Making it possible to be held against your will without being able to contact a lawyer.
The list goes on...
It feels like they are getting their ducks in a row to bring the citizens of this once fine nation to there knees.
End of rant.
which if you extrapolate means that the Bush Administration was fully aware of this and chose to do nothing
Yep, NASA has become nothing more than a political arm of the Democrat party and the global socialist movement. The first thing the GOP needs to dois rename it and place it under full control of the military. Make it a black budget item for all I care. Thanks to cretins like Hansen, the NASA we grew up with is dead.
And now we understand why Odumboi needs a ‘new and improved’ climate ‘truth’ center. The old ones are polluted with lies.
You think the Supreme Court wants a do over?
I'm beginning to think that most long-term programs and organizations, government or not, wind up like this. Those who are most politically motivated and often least creative or knowledgeable wind up climbing up into the leadership, and the whole enterprise then is diminished over time. It's kind of like physics and entropy. Maybe the only way to avoid this is by mandating an organizational restructuring, with brand new people in leadership roles, every 15-20 years. I've felt for a long time that it isn't always the cream that rise to the top, but feces floats.
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