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Texas Education Agency: Fox News is lying
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 10, 2010 | Jason Spencer

Posted on 03/11/2010 11:17:09 AM PST by a fool in paradise

Here's the press release:

...Here are the facts. The direct quotes come from the March 10 broadcast of Fox & Friends.

Fox: "Texas board of education begins hearings today on proposed changes to textbooks..."
The truth: The State Board of Education today is expected to take a preliminary vote on updated social studies curriculum standards... New social studies textbooks are not scheduled to be selected until 2011.

Fox: "So one of the proposed changes is to start history class in the year 1877."
The truth: Texas has and always will teach U.S. History from the beginning until present day....

Fox: Abraham Lincoln and George Washington have been removed from the textbooks.
The truth: The standards, not textbook, are before the board this week. Lincoln is required to be included in the first and eighth grade history classes, as well as in the U.S. government class. Washington is required to be taught in kindergarten, first grade, fifth grade and eighth grade... Additional modifications are still possible to both lists as the board debates the standards during its March and May meeting.

Fox: Independence Day and Veteran's Day are being deleted from the textbooks.
The truth: Again, the new history textbooks have not been written yet but they will be based on the curriculum standards adopted by the board...

Fox: References to Christmas have been deleted.
The truth: A TEKS review committee briefly recommended removing Christmas from a list that mentioned one major holiday for each of the world's religions...

Fox: Textbooks adopted in Texas will be used classrooms across the country.
The truth: Each state has its own textbook selection process. Publishers may offer other states the Texas edition of a book but they are not required to select it...

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.chron.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arth; boardofeducation; education; foxbashing; foxnews; indoctrination; littleredschoolhouse; publicschools; texas; textbooks
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Additional links:

Alphabetized list of names to be included in circulum:
http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/teks/social/AlphabetizedList_including.pdf

A list of suggested names to be added:
http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/teks/social/AlphabetizedList_such_as.pdf

TEA Standards:
http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index2.aspx?id=3643

Webcast of meeting (begins at 11am CST) here:
http://www.texasadmin.com/cgi-bin/tea.cgi

1 posted on 03/11/2010 11:17:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Aggie Mama; Alkhin; Allegra; American72; antivenom; Antoninus II; ...
Houston/Texas PING

All discussions I've heard about some of the controversies casts it as "proposals" nothing is settled yet. TEA got their panties in a wad.

2 posted on 03/11/2010 11:19:00 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

The truth: Texas has and always will teach U.S. History from the beginning until present day....”

The US was not here In The Beginning...


3 posted on 03/11/2010 11:21:24 AM PST by jessduntno ("For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine)
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To: a fool in paradise

Sorry. I don;t beleive it and I believe FOX.

I think they got caught with their fingers in the cookie jar and were planning to do just this but FOX spoiled their party.

I don;t trust Educators and I don’t give a damn WHERE they came from.

They are, for the most part, anti-Western, Anti-Judaeo-Christian, ant-American, and pro-cultural relativism.


4 posted on 03/11/2010 11:22:02 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Some of their “truth” answers are very slippery.


5 posted on 03/11/2010 11:22:49 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: a fool in paradise

Sounds like the TEA is doing the Texas two-step around the issues here.


6 posted on 03/11/2010 11:23:15 AM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: jessduntno

Cabeza de Vaca was stomping in this state pre-U.S.


7 posted on 03/11/2010 11:23:19 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: ZULU

If you listen to the Left, the big controvesies are all about “young Earth”.

No discussion of whether they are pushing the myth of man-made global warming or a fetus is not life.


8 posted on 03/11/2010 11:24:57 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

Myth:

Dead white men/women were going to be removed from history lessons.

Truth:

There will be chapters devoted to the teachings of Karl Marx and the beliefs of Margret Sanger.


9 posted on 03/11/2010 11:25:18 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: ZULU

Wrong.


10 posted on 03/11/2010 11:25:35 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: La Lydia

They are using the technique perfected by Snopes.


11 posted on 03/11/2010 11:25:40 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Le Chien Rouge

They found room to include Oprah Winfrey.


12 posted on 03/11/2010 11:27:16 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Marty62

Which part and why?


13 posted on 03/11/2010 11:29:10 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Texas is better than most, but no states are immune from the insidious leftwardization of school textbooks. And the censoring or rewriting of history is high on their list.


14 posted on 03/11/2010 11:29:17 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: a fool in paradise

It is North Carolina not Texas that has proposed teaching US History from 1877 to present in high school.


15 posted on 03/11/2010 11:29:26 AM PST by csmusaret (Sarah Palin thinks everyday in America is the 4th of July. Obama thinks it is April 15th.)
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To: csmusaret

TEA: “U.S. History since 1877 is taught in 11th grade.”


16 posted on 03/11/2010 11:34:28 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

Hmmm what a dilemma...

believe Fox, or believe a bunch of “educators”..

Sorry, Fox wins.

By a long shot.


17 posted on 03/11/2010 11:37:14 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: a fool in paradise

In NC the plan was not to teach any high school history prior to 1877.


18 posted on 03/11/2010 11:37:53 AM PST by csmusaret (Sarah Palin thinks everyday in America is the 4th of July. Obama thinks it is April 15th.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Given a choice between believing a teachers’ union versus any other entity (Fox News, MSNBC, the New York Times, Joe Isuzu, Baghdad Bob, Barack Obama, etc.) I think it’s a safe bet that the union is lying.


19 posted on 03/11/2010 11:42:28 AM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: csmusaret

It does look like that is the plan for Texas as well—the pre-1877 is taught at the grade school rather than the high school level. Even the high school standards for the post 1877 course look like they have major lacunae. For example, Teddy Roosevelt is not on the mandatory list of figures to include but the suggested list.


20 posted on 03/11/2010 11:43:16 AM PST by Hieronymus
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To: Sloth

This is the board of education. Elected figures.


21 posted on 03/11/2010 11:45:48 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: ZULU

If you had bothered to read the resumes of the Board Members you would see how far off you are. Texas has an open meetings process that is sacrosanct. Any fool can go into the meeting and suggest a change.
Fox picking and choosing items to scare people with is NOT F&B.


22 posted on 03/11/2010 11:46:46 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Hieronymus

Lacunae is a great word. I admit I had to look it up but will now take every opportunity to slip it into conversations.


23 posted on 03/11/2010 11:46:56 AM PST by csmusaret (Sarah Palin thinks everyday in America is the 4th of July. Obama thinks it is April 15th.)
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To: ZULU

I’ll believe Fox News before I’ll believe the pinky-ring union thugs every time.


24 posted on 03/11/2010 11:48:07 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: a fool in paradise

FNC is getting this info from other news organizations and their affiliates.


25 posted on 03/11/2010 11:48:51 AM PST by GeronL (I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: ZULU

“Sorry. I don;t beleive it and I believe FOX.

I think they got caught with their fingers in the cookie jar and were planning to do just this but FOX spoiled their party.

I don;t trust Educators and I don’t give a damn WHERE they came from.

They are, for the most part, anti-Western, Anti-Judaeo-Christian, ant-American, and pro-cultural relativism.”

Yes, agreed! I won’t believe a work of these truths until proven.


26 posted on 03/11/2010 11:49:04 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: jessduntno

They don’t mention what they consider “the beginning”.


27 posted on 03/11/2010 11:55:20 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: a fool in paradise

I stand corrected.


28 posted on 03/11/2010 11:55:59 AM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Marty62
Fox made it pretty clear that the changes were under consideration and were being urged by the educational establishment in Texas and the publishers.

They also noted that a lot of the people on the state board appeared to oppose it.

Stop being so defensive.

Based on what I know of the NJEA and the National Teachers Association and the opinions of their members, I plain just don't trust them.

If you do, its your choice.

But I think being forewarned is being forearmed.

29 posted on 03/11/2010 12:01:46 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Fox: Textbooks adopted in Texas will be used classrooms across the country.
The truth: Each state has its own textbook selection process. Publishers may offer other states the Texas edition of a book but they are not required to select it...

In this, FOX is correct. Although other states may adopt their own standards, because of the size of Texas, textbook publishers will produce books to the Texas standards. Many other states do not generate enough textbook sales for the publishers to generate a specific edition for them. Consider that Texas has over 20 million people, whereas Wyoming has about half the population of Austin. Dittos for North Dakota. The TEA is correct, though, that Texas imposes no mandates on other states.

As to other stuff, the Texas adoption process is very thorough. They've caught many factual errors in textbooks and required that publishers change them. IIRC, one textbook stated Harry Truman dropped the atomic bomb on the Germans.

It's also common for American History courses to be taught in two segments, with the break being after reconstruction in 1877.

I'm not saying either side is 100% correct, cause there are always some Marxists in the woodwork in education, but FOX sensationalized this beyond what's really going on.

30 posted on 03/11/2010 12:10:03 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: ZULU

OH don’t get me wrong. That is why Tx is so obsessed with the OML. Make them take a public stand.

I just didn’t like the tone that somehow because Tx has influence on the texts that there must be a bunch of Red Necks wearing six shooters and chewing tobacco involved in the process.

Granted these people are definitely, A personality and over-achievers, but they certainly are qulified. Tx takes this process very serious, and understands the ramifications.


31 posted on 03/11/2010 12:12:12 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: skr

They don’t mention what they consider “the beginning”.

Some point after the word...


32 posted on 03/11/2010 12:23:03 PM PST by jessduntno ("For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’ll believe FOX.


33 posted on 03/11/2010 12:23:54 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

“I’ll believe FOX.”

Even if I didn’t, I’d want them to run with any story that calls for scrutinizing anything to do with schools...the freaking agitprop that gets pushed onto kids today is sickening...


34 posted on 03/11/2010 12:43:33 PM PST by jessduntno ("For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine)
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To: jessduntno

Many high school students think Texas was.


35 posted on 03/11/2010 12:56:07 PM PST by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: jessduntno

Many high school students think Texas was.


36 posted on 03/11/2010 12:56:36 PM PST by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: jessduntno; skr

For those of us who did not have the advantage of attending your public school we recognise that based upon the way the sentence was structured that the “beginning” refers to the beginning of US history.


37 posted on 03/11/2010 1:01:02 PM PST by votemout
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To: Marty62

” just didn’t like the tone that somehow because Tx has influence on the texts that there must be a bunch of Red Necks wearing six shooters and chewing tobacco involved in the process.”

And what is wrong with red-necks wearing six shooters and chewing tobacco? :)

See my tagline.

My problem is NOT with red-necks. As a matter of fact, I have been called that at times.


38 posted on 03/11/2010 1:03:31 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Not quite true:

While other states can ADAPT their books, the starting point is the Texas textbook. So options for other states' textbooks are highly minimized.

Second, the author doesn't quite have the 1877 stuff accurate. Texas schools in lower grades teach all U.S. history, but the high school requirement is, and has been, 1877 forward. That is no change.

It is true they are only discussing curriculum, but I spoke to two of the Board members and an activist who knows the stuff, and the textbooks follow the curriculum by about 3 years.

39 posted on 03/11/2010 1:03:41 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: ZULU

Ok then your cool!!!!


40 posted on 03/11/2010 1:05:05 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; AngieGal; ...

Since we’re following the Texas textbook debacle.....

PING


41 posted on 03/11/2010 1:07:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Marty62

Thanks.


42 posted on 03/11/2010 1:08:29 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: votemout

“...the “beginning” refers to the beginning of US history.”

I thought that in “the beginning” there was the word...


43 posted on 03/11/2010 1:23:15 PM PST by jessduntno ("For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine)
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To: a fool in paradise
The TEA runs neck and neck with TXDOT as the most wasteful and unchecked bureaucracies in the state. The questions ought not be centered around why they are omitting U.S. history from curriculum. The question should be why are state funds even being appropriated to fund its existence. Same thing goes with school district bureaucracies.

There's way too much overhead and centralized control over curriculum and a one size fits all mentality. TAKS is a perfect example. It's a boondoggle, and time consuming for teachers who end up merely teaching to the test and as acting test administrators for bonus pay and does little to actually enhance education of kids in the classroom. Kids aren't any more educated when they leave high school, but they do know how to take a TAKS test.

No Child Left Behind, my A$$.

44 posted on 03/11/2010 1:39:51 PM PST by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: metmom

Since we’re following the Texas textbook debacle.....

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Typical, typical, typical! Few here understand the fundamental problem:

In **EVERY** government school district, the most powerful voting mob gets to impose it religious, cultural, and political worldview on their neighbors...and...makes them pay for at by threat of armed police action.

It is **impossible** to have a religiously, culturally, or politically neutral education. It is axiomatic!

Therefore...EVERY government school in this nation is a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination!

Solution: We must begin the process of privatizing all education in the United States.


45 posted on 03/11/2010 1:43:33 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: TADSLOS
Kids aren't any more educated when they leave high school, but they do know how to take a TAKS test.

Well they should at least be able to get jobs as teachers teaching the test...

46 posted on 03/11/2010 1:48:08 PM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

I’ve said all along that this is being blown out of proportion - some of the things the subjects/people claimed to have been removed have only been removed from one grade level because they are included in others - but it sounds good. I’m sure the liberals do have their panties in a wad over a conservative majority on this board, but they still have the majority of liberal instructors who can teach whatever they want in the classrooms.


47 posted on 03/11/2010 1:55:44 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Those who claim to be open and tolerant are often only open to their own views, not yours)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I can’t see a compelling reason to include Oprah Winfrey in a high school text book on American history (post-1877). Might as well include Milton Berle. He had a popular tv show too. Same with Ed Sullivan.


48 posted on 03/11/2010 1:57:30 PM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

“Might as well include Milton Berle. He had a popular tv show too. Same with Ed Sullivan.”

Johnny Carson...some people forget how popular Johnny was and how many conversations started with “Did you hear what Carson said?”.


49 posted on 03/11/2010 2:01:42 PM PST by jessduntno ("For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine)
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To: a fool in paradise

From the bits and pieces I have read on this, the liberals are trying to get as many minorities included as possible - Famous Amos cookie inventor included....but like I said, some of the rhetoric is just that, half truths and misinformation. And part of this is stupidity too - admittedly, I prefer the more conservative text, but when a conservative on the board wants to delete mention of someone because of a socialist party affiliation, then includes and praises another with the same party affiliation, it does sound ignorant. And liberals are, as usual, taking every opportunity to blast Texas as backward right wing zealots


50 posted on 03/11/2010 2:05:39 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Those who claim to be open and tolerant are often only open to their own views, not yours)
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