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Why Palin shouldn't run in 2012 ** John Ziegler (The math behind a Palin Victory!)
Daily Caller ^ | 3-10-10 | John Ziegler

Posted on 03/11/2010 12:56:52 PM PST by Joy Angela

Why Palin shouldn’t run in 2012

By John Ziegler   03/10/10 at 12:00 AM

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Last week I made a rare appearance on MSNBC (a network on which I have had numerous “YouTube moments” since the 2008 election, when they became the “Obama Network”) and shared some statements which apparently shocked some of my fellow conservatives.

Since even before the release of my documentary about the media coverage of Obama’s election, I have been described by many commentators (both as a compliment and as a condemnation) as Sarah Palin’s most ardent defender against the never-ending stream of unfair media attacks against her. What seemed to surprise people on both ends of the political spectrum was my assertion on “Morning Joe” that, based on her current path, and barring a literal act of God, there is absolutely no chance that Palin can beat Obama in 2012.

Since the television appearance was barely five minutes long and my view of this important subject is far more nuanced than can possibly be articulated in the microwave world of cable TV “news” (or even a later radio interview I did with host Joe Scarborough about this subject), I wish to fully explain my thinking so that any confusion about where I stand may be as limited as possible.

First, the reason I went on MSNBC is that Joe Scarborough and I have had a running (and sometimes rather pointed) e-mail exchange about his coverage of Sarah Palin which was escalated when his show did a seemingly endless segment on how intellectually deficient she supposedly is. Joe has offered me an open invitation to “debate” that and other issues related to Palin when I am next in New York where his show is broadcast. Since Palin was on the “Tonight Show” last week and because I live in Burbank, we decided the occasion might make for a good opportunity to do a quick “preview” of coming attractions. I also made it clear to him that there was something about Palin that I have wanted to get off my chest for several weeks. This was the issue of what her intent and potential is for the 2012 presidential race.

When I first met Palin at her home in early 2009, after our interview for my documentary we had a rather lengthy conversation, which of course eventually turned to her political future. Unsolicited, I offered my very strong opinion that, thanks to the media’s worship of Obama and their unfair destruction of her, that I thought it would be foolhardy for her to even consider running against him in 2012. My advice at the time was for her to run for Senate in 2014 and run in 2016 for President when presumably there will be no incumbent running and when the narrative about her (thanks to the media’s love of a good “comeback”) would likely be vastly more positive than in 2012. Palin was clearly listening intently but said almost nothing in response. Those who witnessed the conversation said she did not seem to like what she was hearing.

However, after the remarkable success of her book and the incredible decline in Obama’s political popularity, I started to think that, with any luck, Palin could win the Republican nomination and that she would at least have a shot against The One, assuming the economy didn’t significantly improve. But now I am thoroughly convinced that while Obama is somewhat vulnerable (if the economy improves, he wins big, if it stays the same, he wins very small, if it gets worse, he loses big), Sarah Palin has less of a chance to beat him than just about anyone else who is currently considered in contention.

The reasons I have come to this painful conclusion are numerous.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; johnziegler; moresarahfun; palin; palin2012; palinmccain2012; rinolovfest; sarahpalin; tonightshow; ziegler; ziegler4romney
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Great Article, very clear and thought out!! All four pages are worth reading! See link for the entire article.
1 posted on 03/11/2010 12:56:53 PM PST by Joy Angela
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To: Joy Angela

Great Article, very clear and thought out!! All four pages are worth reading! See link for the entire article.

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Excuse me, but you want me to read 4 pages of something written by someone I’ve never heard of to explain why I should be a Palin-hater too?

I don’t think so.


2 posted on 03/11/2010 1:03:17 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Sarah Palin ping... :-)


3 posted on 03/11/2010 1:03:23 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Joy Angela

For some reason Ziegler thinks that Obama can count to 4 years of failure as “Presidential Experience”. I suppose you could call it that but Carter was trying to claim the same thing. The American public does not want a failure who is actively trying to destroy the country in office. He also accepts the idea that Palin is a “quitter” in the eyes of the public. Frankly, she can point to a strong record of success as governor and it’s only the elitists who can’t understand that being out of office is not the same thing as being able to push an agenda.


4 posted on 03/11/2010 1:04:30 PM PST by JMS
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To: Joy Angela
I hope you put on your asbestos suit! The Palin worshipers aren't going to like it.
5 posted on 03/11/2010 1:04:47 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Joy Angela

No one should throw their hat in the ring just yet. It would be suicide.

Lets get through the November General Election and see what there is to work with after that.


6 posted on 03/11/2010 1:05:49 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Joy Angela

I’m coming to the conclusion that Free Republic is probably the only place that Palin could win the nomination. It just doesn’t look good anywhere else.


7 posted on 03/11/2010 1:06:38 PM PST by SoDak (bitter clinger)
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To: Joy Angela

I thought Ziegler was a palin sycophant


8 posted on 03/11/2010 1:07:59 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Excuse me, but you want me to read 4 pages of something written by someone I’ve never heard of to explain why I should be a Palin-hater too?

I don’t think so.

I'm with you, R2. Someone needs to give me the gist of what his argument is. I'm not going to spend that much time so a stranger can explain his nuances to me.

9 posted on 03/11/2010 1:09:30 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: pissant

That’s why I like the article: Ziegler clarifies his position. He’s pro-Palin, but also aware of the media an political battle she’ll have to face in 2012!

The article is a quick-read.

Ziegler thinks fast and writes with intensity!

Worth a read! :)


10 posted on 03/11/2010 1:10:16 PM PST by Joy Angela
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To: Responsibility2nd

Time to throw Ziegler under the bus. He served his purpose, but now he’s rather inconvenient to the cause.


11 posted on 03/11/2010 1:10:38 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Joy Angela
That's allot of opinion to make before we have even brought all the possible Republican candidates together for debate #1. Counting anyone out this early, I don't care what kind of logic you use, is a bit immature.
12 posted on 03/11/2010 1:11:27 PM PST by NavyCanDo (Palin in 2012 will see the Potomac from her House)
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To: Joy Angela

What changed his tune? It wasn’t long ago he was deluding himself that she was Ronald Reagan arisen form the dead.


13 posted on 03/11/2010 1:11:55 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Joy Angela

Sarah has a big surprise for Ziegler and a lot of folks here: she can beat Obama in 2012. All of the analysis will mean nothing when she starts getting on the stump and kicking ass at the GOP debates. PS it’s still only early 2010, Ziegler is ridiculous. He seems unstable and petty to boot. The whole thing how he was kicked off the radio station after a couple months really made me winder about the guy and also his clownish behavior at CPAC last year or whenever it was.

Palin 2012 (I guess I’m a Palin “worshipper” now).


14 posted on 03/11/2010 1:12:00 PM PST by toddausauras
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To: Joy Angela
but also aware of the media an political battle she’ll have to face in 2012!

Please name one pubbie would WOULDN'T face a media battle in 2012.

15 posted on 03/11/2010 1:12:28 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: SoDak

All I know is she was the best governor we ever had up here, and it’s all going down hill since she’s gone. Nobody to keep all our politicians on the straight & narrow nowadays. I guess I’d rather have a leader we can trust, doesn’t lie to everybody, and the good sense to do the right thing time and time again. Hope she comes back, they’ll give her the gov spot back again nx election.


16 posted on 03/11/2010 1:12:51 PM PST by Eska
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To: curiosity
I hope you put on your asbestos suit! The Palin worshipers aren't going to like it.

Yes, they will!

I'm sure they're intelligent enough to read PAST the headline! :)

17 posted on 03/11/2010 1:15:15 PM PST by Joy Angela
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To: Joy Angela
I read the entire article. Basically all he says is that Palin shouldn't embrace the Tea Party movement and that the media would rip her apart.

Which is idiocy, quite frankly. The Tea Party movement has higher approval ratings than either political party. And any pubbie who bases their decisions on what the media thinks of them won't have a chance in hell of winning.

18 posted on 03/11/2010 1:17:00 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: toddausauras

Maybe we don’t need Palin to beat Obama!

We NEED Palin to beat HILLARY!!!

2016... is D-Day!!!

She needs to keep IT going till then,
and Ziegler’s advice that she run for Congress/Senate
is HOT!!!!

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Stay-on-course, Sarah!!

Your Mission is not yet completed!!


19 posted on 03/11/2010 1:18:51 PM PST by Joy Angela
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To: Responsibility2nd
"Excuse me, but you want me to read 4 pages of something written by someone I’ve never heard of to explain why I should be a Palin-hater too? "

Ditto!

Especially for the folks still stuck on "dial up"...it's very time consuming for no purpose other than to see Ziegler of Palin.

The beauty of being a conservative is, we can see, hear, and understand...therefore we are capable of making our own opinion of Palin, or whomever, without some ego-driven journalist.
20 posted on 03/11/2010 1:20:24 PM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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