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Catholic School Rejects Children of Lesbian Parents, Sparking Faith Debate
Fox News ^ | Lauren Green

Posted on 03/12/2010 10:20:47 AM PST by Blue Turtle

"What would Jesus do?" That's what many people in Boulder, Colo., are asking after a Catholic elementary school in the city expelled two children because their parents are lesbians.

The conflict in the Roman Catholic Church over homosexuality has come to loggerheads in the community, with the church standing by its belief that marriage is a pact between a man and a woman while opponents accuse it of failing to live up to Jesus’ mission of love and acceptance.

Sacred Heart of Jesus Church says it told the lesbian couple that their older child would be allowed to complete enrollment in kindergarten this year but would not be allowed to attend first grade in the fall. Their younger child will be allowed to finish preschool but can't enter kindergarten.

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I swear that the gay community does these things on purpose....
1 posted on 03/12/2010 10:20:48 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: Blue Turtle

Of course they do. This, the lesbian girl down in Mississippi who disrupted her high school prom, the nutso administrators in the Virginia universities that Cuccinelli just recently had to put into their places - it’s all part of an agenda to agitate us into submission.


2 posted on 03/12/2010 10:22:47 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Every great civilization’s collapse was preceded by a sexual revolution.


3 posted on 03/12/2010 10:24:37 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Blue Turtle

“The children’s parents have not spoken publicly, but the school’s decision was leaked to local media by teachers at Sacred Heart who disagree with it.”

The teachers who disagreed with that decision should not be teaching in that school.

The gays are going to hold a forum to decide how to deal with this. They should mind their business. The Church isn’t interested in their opinion.


4 posted on 03/12/2010 10:26:36 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: Blue Turtle

Of course they do, tyranny by the minority.


5 posted on 03/12/2010 10:27:49 AM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Blue Turtle
Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput Statement on lesbian couple case

Catholic schools: Partners in faith with parents

Denver news media have reported in recent days on the case of two children of a lesbian couple in Boulder. The couple was informed by Sacred Heart of Jesus parish school that the older child, whom they were enrolling in kindergarten for next year, would be allowed to attend kindergarten but would not be able to continue into first grade the year after. Their younger child would be welcome to finish preschool, but not continue into kindergarten. Many have wondered why. Sacred Heart of Jesus parish has borne the difficult publicity surrounding this issue, but archdiocesan policy was followed faithfully in this matter, and the policy applies to all Archdiocese of Denver schools.

Some background is important. Then we’ll turn to the human realities involved.

Catholic schools began in this country in the early 19th century. Catholics started them as an alternative to the public schools of the day, which taught a curriculum often hostile to Catholic belief. In many ways times have changed, but the mission of Catholic schools has not. The main purpose of Catholic schools is religious; in other words, to form students in Catholic faith, Catholic morality and Catholic social values.

We take great pride in the academic excellence of our schools as well. The reason is simple. A strong, well-rounded academic education helps to create mature citizens who contribute to the wider community. It’s also true that some of our schools exist as a service outreach in largely non-Catholic communities. Many of our schools also accept students of other faiths and no faith, and from single parent and divorced parent families. These students are always welcome so long as their parents support the Catholic mission of the school and do not offer a serious counter-witness to that mission in their actions.

Our schools, however, exist primarily to serve Catholic families with an education shaped by Catholic faith and moral formation. This is common sense. Other religious traditions do the same according to their beliefs, and at a heavy sacrifice. We need to remember that Catholic families pay twice for a Catholic education: through their taxes, they fund public education; then they pay again to send their children to a Catholic school. The idea that Catholic schools should require support for Catholic teaching for admission, and a serious effort from school families to live their Catholic identity faithfully, is reasonable and just.

That’s the background. Now to the human side of a painful situation. The Church never looks for reasons to turn anyone away from a Catholic education. But the Church can’t change her moral beliefs without undermining her mission and failing to serve the many families who believe in that mission. If Catholics take their faith seriously, they naturally follow the teachings of the Church in matters of faith and morals; otherwise they take themselves outside the believing community.

The Church does not claim that people with a homosexual orientation are “bad,” or that their children are less loved by God. Quite the opposite. But what the Church does teach is that sexual intimacy by anyone outside marriage is wrong; that marriage is a sacramental covenant; and that marriage can only occur between a man and a woman. These beliefs are central to a Catholic understanding of human nature, family and happiness, and the organization of society. The Church cannot change these teachings because, in the faith of Catholics, they are the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The policies of our Catholic school system exist to protect all parties involved, including the children of homosexual couples and the couples themselves. Our schools are meant to be “partners in faith” with parents. If parents don’t respect the beliefs of the Church, or live in a manner that openly rejects those beliefs, then partnering with those parents becomes very difficult, if not impossible. It also places unfair stress on the children, who find themselves caught in the middle, and on their teachers, who have an obligation to teach the authentic faith of the Church.

Most parents who send their children to Catholic schools want an environment where the Catholic faith is fully taught and practiced. That simply can’t be done if teachers need to worry about wounding the feelings of their students or about alienating students from their parents. That isn’t fair to anyone—including the wider school community. Persons who have an understanding of marriage and family life sharply different from Catholic belief are often people of sincerity and good will. They have other, excellent options for education and should see in them the better course for their children.

6 posted on 03/12/2010 10:28:34 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Blue Turtle

It isn’t the kids’ fault their “parents” are lesbians. Why punish them? Accept them. And then teach them the truth, that God’s word condemns homosexual behavior.


7 posted on 03/12/2010 10:29:19 AM PST by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: Guyin4Os

As long as they also boot out kids whose parents are cheating on their spouse or if divorced/widowed are fornicating outside of marriage, there’s no problem.


8 posted on 03/12/2010 10:31:48 AM PST by Burkean (.)
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To: Blue Turtle
...opponents accuse it of failing to live up to Jesus’ mission of love and acceptance...

"Love" yeah, but where did they get this "acceptence" nonsense?

"Repentence" is the exact OPPOSITE of "acceptence.

9 posted on 03/12/2010 10:33:28 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Blue Turtle
There can be only two reasons for the adult guardians of the children to want them in Catholic school.

Number one would be that they recognize the superiority of faith and tradition, and want those values instilled within the children. In that case, they are a distraction at best, and a trojan horse bent upon destroying the church at worst, their presence will destroy what they see as superior. That will leave the church school in the same condition as public schools eventually.

Number two would be, to make a scene, to destroy the church or corrupt it.

Either way, they have only self interest at the core of their motive, not the good of the school, their children or of others children.

Come quickly Lord Jesus.....please...AMEN.

10 posted on 03/12/2010 10:35:57 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: Blue Turtle

Why do non-Catholics want their kids to go to Catholic school?


11 posted on 03/12/2010 10:37:48 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Burkean

Homosexuality is worse.


12 posted on 03/12/2010 10:38:05 AM PST by papertyger
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Because the public schools suck.


13 posted on 03/12/2010 10:38:55 AM PST by BBell
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To: Guyin4Os

People should stop using kids as a tool to get their way. The kids are in this situation not because of the school, which is private, but because of the lesbians. Are they from another planet? Jeez, they pick a “Catholic” school? What would be the point? They don’t understand the Catholics view on homosexuality? No other private schools in the area?

It is a private religious school, I think it is disrespectful for the lesbians to assume that rules don’t apply to them!


14 posted on 03/12/2010 10:39:14 AM PST by panthermom
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To: goldi
The Church isn’t interested in their opinion

A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste.

15 posted on 03/12/2010 10:39:15 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: BBell

Can’t argue with that.


16 posted on 03/12/2010 10:40:30 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Servant of the Cross

“It also places unfair stress on the children, who find themselves caught in the middle, and on their teachers, who have an obligation to teach the authentic faith of the Church.”

Apparently some of the teachers at the school are not “with the program”, for they are the ones that made the issue public. I am not surprised. Many Catholic professionals in academia are very liberal.


17 posted on 03/12/2010 10:41:57 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Servant of the Cross
Our schools are meant to be “partners in faith” with parents. If parents don’t respect the beliefs of the Church, or live in a manner that openly rejects those beliefs, then partnering with those parents becomes very difficult, if not impossible.

I sent three kids to Catholic school while "openly rejecting" Catholic beliefs by living and worshiping as a Protestant. I also knew Catholic parents that rejected church teaching on abortion or who were divorced and in another relationship. So, why is this kid punished on this specific issue when the schools don't enforce Catholic teaching on other parents?

18 posted on 03/12/2010 10:42:09 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Blue Turtle

YUP they sure do!


19 posted on 03/12/2010 10:44:29 AM PST by brooklyn dave (NO KSM TRIAL IN NYC)
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To: OldNavyVet
A closed mind ...

Otherwise known as a "DECISION...."

20 posted on 03/12/2010 10:47:27 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Blue Turtle
"What would Jesus do?"

I don't recall Jesus saying to throw God's Law out the window. He preached compassion. But He also held men to the Law.

21 posted on 03/12/2010 10:47:33 AM PST by montag813
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To: colorado tanker

They had to draw the line somewhere.

The queers need to go back in their closet where they belong.


22 posted on 03/12/2010 10:47:46 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Blue Turtle

Almost al Catholic Schools are subsidized by local parishes. Tuition does not cover all the expenses so the subsidy keeps enrollment steady. Usually, non-Catholics may attend but they have to pay the subsidy and sign releases about the Catholic foundation and the school abides by the teachings of the Church. Until the Church approves of gay relationships they are free to decide who can attend their schools.


23 posted on 03/12/2010 10:54:18 AM PST by crymeariver (Good news...in a way)
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To: Guyin4Os
It has nothing to do with "punishing" the kids at all. The details of the bishop's statement in the post prior to yours are right on target.

For reasons that are completely outside the Church's control -- and are entirely within the control of those lesbian parents -- keeping kids like these out of a Catholic school is necessary for the school to protect other kids who might otherwise be influenced by this bizarre "family" arrangement.

24 posted on 03/12/2010 10:56:48 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Yes, we can’t afford to waste a perfectly good closed mind.


25 posted on 03/12/2010 10:57:33 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: Blue Turtle

They dare to do it only because they know that they’ll have the support of the Anti Christian Lawyers Union.


26 posted on 03/12/2010 10:59:30 AM PST by 353FMG (What can Islam possibly contribute to the West other than its very destruction?)
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To: colorado tanker
By living and worshiping as a Protestant, you are not "openly rejecting" Catholic beliefs. And I personally don't think your analogy makes any sense. Catholic schools recruit non Catholics including the agnostic. They are very clear with the families about what will be taught though.

The issue here is the very public (openly) issue of a highly controversial and fundamental tenant of the Catholic faith, that of same sex couple parenthood. A non-negotiable. A "don't ask, don't tell" policy is normally in place but unfortunately not available here.

I would personally use this same "opening rejecting" standard against Nazi Pelosi and other Catholic-in-name-only politicians to not only deny them communion but also excommunication. Many Bishops appear to be more 'pastoral' than I.

27 posted on 03/12/2010 11:02:22 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: colorado tanker
The Catholic Church, as with many other Church organizations, is to me like belonging to a club, party, or team. It is built on rules. To be a member in good standing, one must follow the rules. If those teachers, or those parents, do not abide by the rules, then they should look elsewhere for an organization that better fits their demeanor.

That's all.

28 posted on 03/12/2010 11:02:57 AM PST by tenthirteen
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Because the public schools in a particular area are usually very bad and the Catholic school offers a superior education. My niece (who is the daughter of a Presbyterian minister) was educated in Catholic schools.


29 posted on 03/12/2010 11:03:22 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: Alberta's Child

keeping kids like these out of a Catholic school is necessary for the school to protect other kids who might otherwise be influenced by this bizarre “family” arrangement.


Are you serious??? Since when are children somehow responsible for the “lifestyle” of their parrents?


30 posted on 03/12/2010 11:03:49 AM PST by darkside321
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To: Burkean

Most cheaters do not advertise their sin openly and publicly, nor demand that others accept it as ‘normal.’ It is between the parties and their God. Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue.

A homosexual couple living together as a family do publicly proclaim their living in sin, as the Church sees it. As the lesbian women must know, that is exactly the way the Catholic Church views their chosen lifestyle. By registering the children in a Catholic school these lesbian mothers are demanding that the church school accept that, and the church school is saying no.

I feel sorry for the children who did not bring any of this on themselves, but they can be well educated in another school, private or public, which is run by an organization to which homosexual behavior and lifestyles are normal, and whose teachings will not create the conflict the children would experience between home and school.


31 posted on 03/12/2010 11:09:09 AM PST by EDINVA (Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: tenthirteen
Wow. So simple. Elegantly true. No wonder you like FREErepublic!

That's all.

32 posted on 03/12/2010 11:12:27 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Blue Turtle
The education of children within a Catholic school environment is a partnership between the school and the parents. That partnership cannot exist when the parents hold and advocate contrary values to the detriment of the school and the other families involved.
33 posted on 03/12/2010 11:12:55 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: darkside321
As I stated very clearly in my post . . . and you deliberately left out of your citation of my post . . . this is all out of the school's control, and is all the responsibility of the lesbian parents.

The school isn't there to provide a public service, function as a business, or serve as a charitable organization. It has a religious mission that is completely compromised when you allow students like this in the school. Once you allow kids like this into a Catholic school, the school then has to deal with the burden of identifying what kind of limitations are to be placed on the lesbian parents' interaction with other kids in the school.

34 posted on 03/12/2010 11:15:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: colorado tanker
why is this kid punished on this specific issue

The headlines make it seem as if the church has set out to punish these children. First off, a 4 and 5 year old have no concept. Secondly, the healines should read... "Lesbian Couple At Center of Catholic Education Dispute". This is about the two lesbians and not about the children. But this and many other articles want to embroil the children in the controversy and that is just not the case. The unfortunate thing is that the lesbians have deliberately opened these children up to a battle best left between them and the Church.

Watching Oreilly made my blood boil last night. His self-righteous attitude was way off the mark.

35 posted on 03/12/2010 11:18:41 AM PST by ThomasMore (Patrick Henry and Joe Wilson...Patriots past and present!)
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To: Blue Turtle

Did Jesus teach acceptance?


36 posted on 03/12/2010 11:22:17 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ThomasMore
Well stated. I understand O'Reilly and articles in the MSM. But FREEPERS??!! falling for this same crap?! This is two lesbians, along with partners in the MSM, intentionally trying to make the Church look bad with the worn-out nazi pelosi lament, "it's all about the children". With these folks, it's all about THEM, and the children are nothing more to them than props in their pathetic performance.
37 posted on 03/12/2010 11:25:21 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yes but statements like “when you allow students LIKE THIS”
or “once you allow kids like THIS” sound as if the kids would have done anything wrong or are some kind of weird. And they have not!


38 posted on 03/12/2010 11:25:47 AM PST by darkside321
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To: Blue Turtle

Love and acceptance was NOT Jesus’s message.

Why are they the ones who try to define the “message”, twisting it into whatever suits their perversion?

Jesus also said Go and Sin no more....reckon they missed that part.


39 posted on 03/12/2010 11:28:20 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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Sorry, but in the real world, a child is best served by having two loving, Heterosexual parents.
Having two mommies/daddies is a recipe for having your child made fun of/bullied by kids and that’s just how it is.
It is not the school “punishing” children, rather the “parents” for making their children a sacrifice to the gods of PoliticalCorrectness and their own sense of self-worth which is apparently derived from screaming their sexual preferences from the rooftop.


40 posted on 03/12/2010 11:32:10 AM PST by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Alberta's Child

My opinion is that the children should be in Catholic school, but the school should make it very clear that the children in the school will be taught God’s word at age appropriate levels about the sin of homosexuality.


41 posted on 03/12/2010 11:32:22 AM PST by freemama
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To: darkside321

Are you going to pretend that these kids are living in a normal family arrangement? I’m not holding THEM responsible for anything.


42 posted on 03/12/2010 11:36:42 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: ThomasMore

Agreed. Your post and others are very well said.

The children are already being used as a weapon against the Church, by the pervert “mothers.” Admitting them to further classes would only make this worse.

And I agree about some liberal “Catholic” teachers. One of them tried to teach my granddaughter that global warming would kill us all. A bunch of us parents got THAT changed.


43 posted on 03/12/2010 11:37:24 AM PST by Judith Anne (2012 Sarah Palin/Duncan Hunter 2012)
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To: freemama
The problem comes when this lesbian couple insists on having the right to serve as parent volunteers, chaperones for class trips, etc.

There was a time when the Catholic Church would be perfectly comfortable allowing these kids into a Catholic school -- in cases where the parents' lifestyle or other dysfunctional attributes forced them to turn the kids over to the Church and had the Church raise the kids themselves.

44 posted on 03/12/2010 11:39:27 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: freemama
My opinion is that the children should be in Catholic school, but the school should make it very clear that the children in the school will be taught God’s word at age appropriate levels about the sin of homosexuality.

Sure, and then the diocese, the school, and the Catholic church families can bear the expense of the lawsuit filed, when the poor children feel sad because their parents are dissed. You bet.

The children are being USED. They can go to another school.

45 posted on 03/12/2010 11:39:33 AM PST by Judith Anne (2012 Sarah Palin/Duncan Hunter 2012)
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To: darkside321
Are you serious??? Since when are children somehow responsible for the “lifestyle” of their parrents?

Use your head. Your question completely misses the point.

46 posted on 03/12/2010 11:43:20 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Blue Turtle

The sad part of all of this is that I just recently met a parent with the OPPOSITE problem, here on the east side of San Francisco Bay. They were tired of the homosexual agenda in the public schools where their 5 or 6 year old child was attending - with no “opt-out” option available to parents.

As a result, this person, a Conservative Catholic, decided to withdraw their child from the public schools, and move the child to a nearby Catholic School. They wrote a letter to the public school stating that they were withdrawing their child, and explaining why.

When they applied to the Catholic School, they decided to submit with their application a copy of the letter they had sent to the public school, along with an explanation of why they wanted to enroll their child in the Catholic School. They explained in detail about wanting to protect their child from the homosexual agenda, all the while assuming that the Catholic School would be in complete sympathy with them.

Instead, and much to their shock, the Principal of the Catholic School contacted them, and essentially told them that due to their anti-homo views, they would not be able to enroll their child into that Catholic School. Furthermore, the principal informed them that there could be no appeal, that the decision was final. Since the Diocese has an appeal process in place to deal with such issues, the family assumed that the Principal had proactively gone to the Superintedant of the Diocese Catholic Schools, and that the two had already “gotten on the same page” with each other.

This is very shocking to say the least. This particular Diocese has just recently received a new Bishop - who is very Orthodox and Conservative. The family considered meeting with him to complain, and try to reverse the decision. In the end however, they decided not to fight it, and they instead enrolled their child in a Conservative Bapatist elementary school which is teaching all of the Conservative values that the Catholic Schools in this area SHOULD be teaching.

It is a shame that some Catholic Schools are just as entrenched in the homo agenda as the public schools. I hope and pray that our new Bishop will soon start dealing with these situations in the same way the Denver Bishop has.


47 posted on 03/12/2010 11:45:36 AM PST by Zetman
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To: colorado tanker
This kid doesn't have "parents".

The child is overseen by activist freaks who likely are ready to invade every school event and every parent event with their presence in order to create a scene and make everything about them.

Very different scenario than yours.

48 posted on 03/12/2010 11:45:37 AM PST by what's up
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To: darkside321

How does that excuse your “quote?”


49 posted on 03/12/2010 11:49:18 AM PST by papertyger
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To: colorado tanker
The Church's stance regarding Protestants sending their kids to a Catholic school is to see the education of the child as a means to carry the Church's message to the parents. There is nothing inherent in the nature of the Protestant family that makes their very existence incompatible with a Divine order.

That's a very different situation than what is happening in this case, because in this case "carrying the Church's message" to the two lesbians absolutely requires the Church to make it clear to the children that the Divine order of the world requires one of those two "parents" to get out of their lives.

50 posted on 03/12/2010 11:57:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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