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HOW CARBON GASES ‘HAVE SAVED US FROM A NEW ICE AGE’
express.co.uk ^ | March 11,2010 | Donna Bowater

Posted on 03/12/2010 9:51:13 PM PST by neverdem

Man-made carbon emissions: But it is bad news for the polar bears

MAN-MADE carbon emissions are staving off a new ice age, says a leading environmental scientist.

Climate-change expert Dr James Lovelock says the greenhouse gases that have warmed the planet are likely to prevent a big freeze that could last millions of years.

In a talk at London’s Science Museum Dr Lovelock said the balance of nature was in charge of the environment.

He said: “We’re just fiddling around. It is worth thinking that what we are doing in creating all these carbon emissions, far from being something frightful, is stopping the onset of a new ice age.

“If we hadn’t appeared on the earth, it would be due to go through another ice age and we can look at our part as holding that up.

“I hate all this business about feeling guilty about what we’re doing.

“We’re not guilty, we never intended to pump CO2 into the atmosphere, it’s just something we did.”

Dr Lovelock’s comments come in the wake of the scandal at the University of East Anglia where leaked emails suggested climate change data had been manipulated.

The 90-year-old British scientist, who has worked for Nasa and paved the way for the detection of man-made aerosol and refrigerant gases in the atmosphere, called for greater caution in climate research.

He compared the recent controversy to the “wildly inaccurate” early work on aerosol gases and their alleged role in depletion of the ozone layer.

He said: “Quite often, observations done by hand are accurate but all the theoretical stuff in between tends to be very dodgy and I think they are seeing this with climate change. We haven’t learned the lessons of the ozone-hole debate. It’s important to know just how much you have got to be careful.”

According to Dr Lovelock’s Gaia theory, the earth is capable of curing itself. “A planet that is effectively alive can regulate itself and its composition and climate,” he said.

Thomas Crowley, professor of geoscience at Edinburgh University, responded: “People have thought about the possibility of an ice age but it wouldn’t be for many thousands of years.

“Dr Lovelock might be right in the abstract but this does not necessarily mean that CO2 is good now.”


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1 posted on 03/12/2010 9:51:13 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

There will be another ice age w/i the next 1000 yrs whether we like it or not, and regardless of our use of CO2. And yes, it will be the end of civilization as we know it, assuming BHO doesn’t get there first.


2 posted on 03/12/2010 9:54:43 PM PST by uscabjd
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To: uscabjd
There will be another ice age w/i the next 1000 yrs whether we like it or not, and regardless of our use of CO2. And yes, it will be the end of civilization as we know it, assuming BHO doesn’t get there first.

I can't find the thread right now, but a recent one said the next ice age is about 2500 years overdue.

3 posted on 03/12/2010 9:58:02 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
“If we hadn’t appeared on the earth, it would be due to go through another ice age and we can look at our part as holding that up.

“I hate all this business about feeling guilty about what we’re doing.

“We’re not guilty, we never intended to pump CO2 into the atmosphere, it’s just something we did.”

Interesting perspective. I simply do not think that science supports the hypothesis that man-made carbon dioxide emissions is causing the earth to warm, which is still fundamental to the 90 year old Dr.'s claim. We are not holding up an ice age, nor are we causing hurricanes or other weather related catastrophes. As such, while the Dr. sounds like a lovable creature, I have to cast him aside -- let me rephrase that so people do not think I am in favor of death panels -- I have to ignore him and wish him a good day.

4 posted on 03/12/2010 10:00:43 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: neverdem

A man just has to learn to adjust and adapt. No one ever promised us a perfect world.


5 posted on 03/12/2010 10:03:24 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (A proud American-American since 1949.)
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To: uscabjd

I am not confident we will get through this summer. Unless there is a mega GOP wipeout and he is impeached and removed - then we have a lot more to worry about than ice ages.


6 posted on 03/12/2010 10:05:19 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: uscabjd

From a long term geological perspective the planet Earth has spent more time as an ice cube than being warm. The sun is the the only factor that matters. No sunspots, no strong solar wind, increased space radiation, leads to a cooler earth (see The Chilling Stars book).

Global warming is actually a good thing. Imagine modern societies dealing with a modern ice age. Everyone one would migrate to the equator, what a mess.


7 posted on 03/12/2010 10:06:57 PM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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To: neverdem

Anybody that would like to thank me for saving your lives by driving an SUV, can send $$ to.....


8 posted on 03/12/2010 10:10:54 PM PST by Hypo
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To: Gen-X-Dad

“Everyone would migrate to the equator, what a mess.”

Everyone would fight to live near the equator - what a bigger mess. I suppose some folks might last for a little while in some type of biodomes in the southern U.S.. Think of Mad Max with parka’s.


9 posted on 03/12/2010 10:22:14 PM PST by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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To: neverdem

Just another MSM rube still trying to sell the Goracles KoolAid for him.


10 posted on 03/12/2010 10:24:32 PM PST by Right Wing Agitator (I Love Keeping Liberals Angry!)
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To: neverdem
I can't find the thread right now, but a recent one said the next ice age is about 2500 years overdue.

That's about right.

But I don't think it will end civilization.. unless the stresses lead to a global thermonuclear war. Otherwise, we just all move towards the equator. Lots of folks won't make it, and lots who live there now won't either. But civilization will make it.

11 posted on 03/12/2010 10:32:06 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Gen-X-Dad

The last 4 million yrs have been cold - the 61 million yrs before that were very warm.The 100 million yrs before that were very very warm. I think we have to go to the middle/end of the paleozoic to have prolonged ice ages. The end of the paleozoic was probably very warm.

Hockey stick notwithstanding, the period b/w 9K and 4500 yrs ago was also very warm, and the earth and humans did just fine.


12 posted on 03/12/2010 10:38:31 PM PST by uscabjd
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To: 21twelve
I suppose some folks might last for a little while in some type of biodomes in the southern U.S

The glaciers never got that far south. Yea it would be cool, but not arctic cold. We only talking a few degrees of difference in average temperature.

That last is the maximum extent of all 4 of the last glacial periods (Nebraskan, the Kansan, the Illinoian, and finally the Wisconsin.)

13 posted on 03/12/2010 10:42:22 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Thanks for posting that chart of the temperatures. It is the one that tells me we are overdue for an ice age. Also the vegetation map - I haven’t seen that.

The biodomes would be primarily needed for growing enough crops in the cooler climates. I had an old geologist aquaintance (RIP) that did a lot of research on cold-weather strains of wheat that various universities picked up on. The other thing would be the lack of moisture (more locked up in the ice). Of course that would be a money maker to take some of that Wyoming natural gas, point it at the base of the glacier and light her up and pipeline it south.


14 posted on 03/12/2010 10:50:30 PM PST by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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To: El Gato
BTW, there is a really cool "dig", at what was apparently a "water hole". Lots of pgymy Rhinos, pre-horses and other non predator species, that just got missed by those glaciers. It's in northern Nebraska, just west of the line which defines the maximum extent of the glaciers. Ashfall Fossil beds

My grandparents farm was just east of the line, in southern Nebraska. You should have seen all the smooth rocks, of various sorts of composition/materials, including flint, quartz, and other stuff, that the farmers kept finding in their fields. Frost heave pushed them up, but the glaciers smoothed them out. Some were nearly spherical, but most were more ovoid. The flint tended to be a very flattened ovoid.

15 posted on 03/12/2010 10:51:33 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: 21twelve
Also the vegetation map - I haven’t seen that.

I hadn't either, but found it when looking for that extent map. I though it was worth sharing.

16 posted on 03/12/2010 11:02:50 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: 21twelve
Of course that would be a money maker to take some of that Wyoming natural gas, point it at the base of the glacier and light her up and pipeline it south.

I'd rather use steam, heated by nuclear reactors. Or even solar, which is good for that, since high temperatures are not required, and the energy need not be "dense".

There are better uses for hydrocarbons. Mobile fuel, petrochemical feed stocks. (Think Plastics for the frame of your Glock and the stock of your AR).

17 posted on 03/12/2010 11:12:26 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem
James has JTS'd

We've won.

18 posted on 03/12/2010 11:34:06 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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19 posted on 03/13/2010 12:41:09 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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20 posted on 03/13/2010 1:13:08 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am Ellie Light.)
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To: neverdem
According to Dr Lovelock’s Gaia theory,

Oh, no. Another Gaia believer.

21 posted on 03/13/2010 1:15:37 AM PST by Rocky (Obama's policy: A thousand points of lies.)
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To: neverdem

Whoa! What a complete flip-flop from one of the High Priests of Gorebal Warming. Lovelock has either gone totally senile or realizes the fraud has been outed and it’s CYA time.


22 posted on 03/13/2010 1:27:36 AM PST by jsh3180
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To: neverdem

I had a rather passionate geology prof in college who always went on about how much he loved smog, because it was keeping us safe from something catastrophic. I probably wasn’t paying attention enough in class to not remember what it was, but I remember two things about the class: his gratitude, to the point of tears, over particles in the air as protection for the earth, and how unfair it was that we had to learn about the plate tectonics on MARS too, when I thought I’d only signed up for EARTH geology...


23 posted on 03/13/2010 1:47:37 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: uscabjd; neverdem

What everyone overlooks about a new ice age, is that as water is locked up in ice at higher latitudes, more land around the continents, sometimes all the way out to the continental shelves, becomes available. It was certainly that way the last go’round.

Lots of areas presently underwater in the Gulf of Mexico were actually above sea level. Same thing off the west coast of North America.


24 posted on 03/13/2010 2:06:45 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: neverdem
DID EARLY AGRICULTURE AND DEFORESTATION (3000 BC) PREVENT ICE AGE?

From UNIVERSITY of WISCONSIN (Dec. 2008)

SAN FRANCISCO — The common wisdom is that the invention of the steam engine and the advent of the coal-fueled industrial age marked the beginning of human influence on global climate.

But gathering physical evidence, backed by powerful simulations on the world's most advanced computer climate models, is reshaping that view and lending strong support to the radical idea that human-induced climate change began not 200 years ago, but thousands of years ago with the onset of large-scale agriculture in Asia and extensive deforestation in Europe.

What's more, according to the same computer simulations, the cumulative effect of thousands of years of human influence on climate is preventing the world from entering a new glacial age, altering a clockwork rhythm of periodic cooling of the planet that extends back more than a million years. . .

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-12/uow-sde121708.php

25 posted on 03/13/2010 2:50:52 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Rocky

The Gaia crowd either believe that humans are not part of the nature system or that Gaia is self destructive. If the former they must also believe that God and Gaia are in deep conflict. If the latter why bother?


26 posted on 03/13/2010 2:59:32 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: neverdem

What is the latest Doomsday version du jour?

It’s an ice age we are doomed.

No it’s global warming we are doomed.

No it’s the Ozone layer disappearing we are doomed.

No it’s a meteor we are doomed.

No it’s a dark star hurling comets and meteors at us we are doomed.

No it’s the sun spots we are doomed.

No it’s 2012 the Mayan’s predicted we are doomed.

The planet is over populated we are doomed.

Am I the only one that sees that this is all BS?


27 posted on 03/13/2010 3:10:57 AM PST by seawolf101
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To: mlocher

That’s been my view. Man is an insignificant speck on the earth when viewed in totality. I once read that you could put all humans in Texas, theoretically, with enough land to comfortably live on (I don’t know what the calculations were, but having driven through Texas too many times, it seemed reasonable:)


28 posted on 03/13/2010 4:28:50 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

“I once read that you could put all humans in Texas, theoretically, with enough land to comfortably live on (I don’t know what the calculations were, but having driven through Texas too many times, it seemed reasonable:)”

We don’t want’em. The population of Texas has doubled over the past twenty years or so. We’ve got enough. In fact, we need for the Border Patrol to start patroling the Red River in addition to the Rio Grande River if you ask me.


29 posted on 03/13/2010 4:37:34 AM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear

LOL. I didn’t say you wanted them.


30 posted on 03/13/2010 4:44:34 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Man’s influence on climate is so powerful that no doubt, one day they will discover that we can stop hurricanes by simply spitting in the wind!


31 posted on 03/13/2010 5:07:15 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan (God made us Freepers. Prozac made us friends.)
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To: neverdem; Fractal Trader; tubebender; marvlus; Genesis defender; markomalley; Carlucci; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

32 posted on 03/13/2010 5:19:06 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: LS

“LOL. I didn’t say you wanted them.”

Glad to see that you have a sense of humor. Comment was meant to be “tongue in checck” as you took it. It’s been a long standing joke among we native born Texans that the Border Patrol is guarding the wrong river. Point of joke being all those northern transplants. Actually, I have many friends from this demographic and the vast majority are great people and over time are converted to good Texans. Then, of course, there is that small minority that we would like to send back :)...


33 posted on 03/13/2010 5:21:46 AM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: neverdem
According to Dr Lovelock’s Gaia theory, the earth is capable of curing itself. “A planet that is effectively alive can regulate itself and its composition and climate,” he said.

Wow. What a 'radical' theory. Dr Lovelock must be an escaped psycho.

Then again, he's got 4.5 Billion years of the earth's existence to back him up. While the Global Warming Cultists have a phony, manipulated, 'computer model' on their side.

Gee, this is a tough one to pick sides on: the Earth or a Computer model... hmmmm???

[However Lovelock should dump that 'Gaia' garbage.]

34 posted on 03/13/2010 5:29:36 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: neverdem

Between 5,000 and 6,000 years overdue.


35 posted on 03/13/2010 6:51:54 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: neverdem
Couple of things to think about in that regard. Agriculture began to be developed toward the end of the last ice age circa 15,000 years ago. Writing was developed between 5,000 and 6,000 years ago.

Without writing and sandwiches (the end stage product of agriculture) no one would know about this stuff.

36 posted on 03/13/2010 7:00:33 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: neverdem

The Milankovitch Cycles are not as regular as most people assume. There is a lot of variation over time.

The forward projections for the Milankovitch Cycle show that this will be an unusually long interglacial period.

Summer Solar insolation in the far north, which when it declines enough kicks off an ice age, is not projected to fall enough to cause an ice age for at least 15,000 years (and it might take even 50,000 years).


37 posted on 03/13/2010 7:03:43 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: neverdem

Don buy this crap, on a global level man cannot effect long term climate one bit, to think otherwise is hubristic.


38 posted on 03/13/2010 7:10:05 AM PST by Mike Darancette (You know Obama is in trouble when the MSM mentions that he is half white.)
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To: El Gato

"If it happens again, people in those states will have to start drinking Molson, Eh?"


39 posted on 03/13/2010 7:12:52 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: muawiyah; neverdem
The interglacial periods are, on average, about 10,000 years in length. We're at about 11,000 currently, so we're about 10% past the average. The current interglacial is the longest of the most recent five, but it is also the coldest. The last interglacial period was about 10,800 years long before things flipped back to glacial. Some suggest that human activity has actually postponed the next glaciation and that without it we would already have been roughly 1/3 the way to full glacial temperatures. If so, why the rush to decrease the impact of this activity?
40 posted on 03/13/2010 7:21:00 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
The big meltdown was about 15,000 years ago. Later on there was the "younger dryas event" which has been demonstrated to have been an anomaly caused by a comet that hit the residual Laurentide ice sheet.

You count your "end of ice age" time from the biggest meltdown that raises the ocean level the highest. You no longer count from the "younger dryas event".

41 posted on 03/13/2010 7:25:16 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"backed by powerful simulations on the world's most advanced computer climate models"...that will tell you anything you want them to tell you...GIGO.
42 posted on 03/13/2010 7:48:11 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
the radical idea that human-induced climate change began not 200 years ago, but thousands of years ago with the onset of large-scale agriculture in Asia and extensive deforestation in Europe

Suggesting.....

.....It is NOT caused by CO2

.....It is NOT the Americans fault

.....There is nothing we can do about it short of 100% homicide.

These people are forced off their story by cooling for 10 years (a a plateau or trend against their previous theory) and now their new theories don't mesh with the old ones.

43 posted on 03/13/2010 7:52:20 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: muawiyah
Later on there was the "younger dryas event" which has been demonstrated to have been an anomaly caused by a comet that hit the residual Laurentide ice sheet.

From what I've read, it didn't actually hit because there's no sign of a direct impact, but was a very close encounter. It was supposed to have been extraterrestrial because the nanodiamonds found there could have been formed only through the extreme temperatures and pressures in something like an asteroid or comet impact. But the nanodiamond formation could just as likely have been the result of a long-lived, high-powered, auroral event with heavy arcing that occurred around that time. There exists considerable archeological evidence worldwide of this event.

In the illustration below, are you saying that the initial warm-up and, therefore, beginning of the current interglacial, is that little rise in temperature right above the "st" in "Last" and not the large increase after that?


44 posted on 03/13/2010 8:05:37 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Just keep your eyes on ocean levels. There are several. We get a rise from an Antarctic meltdown as well as a North American/Eurasian meltdown.

There's a refreeze in the Northern Hemisphere called the "younger dryas". That lasts about 1500 years and then we get another, but smaller meltdown.

The "comet" definitely made a splashdown ~ and there are a number of other indicators, e.g. Canadian gold deposits in unglaciated Southern Indiana hills.

45 posted on 03/13/2010 8:09:37 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Gen-X-Dad
From a long term geological perspective the planet Earth has spent more time as an ice cube than being warm.

Actually, that would be from a short to mid term geological perspective.

The earth is about 4 billion years old. Of this time, at most 700 to 800 million years have been in "ice ages," with the rest of the time there being no permanent ice caps except possibly at high altitudes.

This number is actually high, since the interglacials, such as we are presently in, within the larger span ice ages are included. The presence of the Greenland and Antarctic ice caps today means we are classified as still being in an Ice Age.

OTOH, of the last 2M years, we've spent about 85% in periods with large continental glaciers, glacial periods, what is commonly meant when the term "ice age" is used.

46 posted on 03/13/2010 8:14:32 AM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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To: neverdem
There is no such thing as Greenhouse gasses and I want my freon and aerosol cans back.

Pray for America

47 posted on 03/13/2010 10:29:09 AM PST by bray (Throw All the Bums Out, starting with McCain)
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To: SteamShovel
Dr. Roger A. Pielke Sr. at University of Colorado ( http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/ ) has always pointed to an accumulation of local “land use changes”—turning forests into cropland, turning cropland into residential neighborhoods, draining swamps, diverting rivers and irrigating arrid areas, etc.—as the reason behind any man-made climate change. He says these surface alterations, which have gone on for thousands of years, are more profound than mankind's emissions.

If Pielke is correct the U.S. and other developed societies began moving toward countering these effects a century ago with the creation of parks, sanctuaries and reservations, reforestation, urban landscaping, restoration of water sheds and estuaries, improved farming methods, etc.

48 posted on 03/13/2010 10:48:19 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: neverdem
In La Grange, Illinois which is about 20 miles west of Chicago, there's a ridge that resulted from glaciers melting. It's clear a certain amount of global warming occurred without man's intervention, and that is was a good thing.
49 posted on 03/13/2010 11:00:31 AM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: COBOL2Java
"If it happens again, people in those states will have to start drinking Molson, Eh?"

Yah, shur, you betcha.

50 posted on 03/13/2010 11:14:38 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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