Was it this guy?
Posted on 03/13/2010 6:34:10 PM PST by marktwain
When we first met ATF Special Agent Kelven Crenshaw, he was telling KOINlocal6, Portland, that a shipment of toy guns the agency had seized could be "easily retro-fitted into dangerous weapons":
"With minimal work it could be converted to a machine gun," Crenshaw said.
To prove his credentials as a professional firearms expert, Crenshaw proceeded to insert a magazine backwards—on video. Click here to watch and pay attention at at the 1:17 mark.
In my March 9 follow-up on this story, I mentioned a related three-part series at Pajamas Media by writer Bob Owens. Click the respective links for parts one, two and three. The whole thing is just excellent, but something he said in his last installment really caught my attention:
This is apparently the same Special Agent Kelven Crenshaw that ATF whistleblower site Cleanup ATF says is a former assistant director demoted and moved for incompetence, reprisals against his own employees, and regulation violations.
Regular readers will remember CleanUp ATF. They're a group of "whistleblowing" bureau insiders who are trying to draw attention to incompetence and corruption. I've cited them a few times as yet another basis for demanding oversight hearings to establish personal accountability for those responsible for abuses--and asked why the "mainstream press" is apparently uninterested.
So what's CleanUpATF's beef with Special Agent Crenshaw? Here's what they say:
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
The ATF ain’t the FBI, and the FBI ain’t what it was.
Pass this on to your friends FReepers......woohoo
First, replace the upper receiver with an M4 upper receiver. Then, replace the lower receiver with an M4 lower receiver. It's that simple.
He should be REQUIRED to demonstrate his statement in COURT and when he cannot, and we all know he cannot, lock him up for LIFE.
The scary thing is that they let this idiot carry a gun!
After the mods, he should be forced to pull the trigger or admit in full view of the public that he lied and the reason he lied, the people that where involved and then locked up for a very very long time.
K/Crenshaw is an affirmative action clown working for an agency filled with cowboy wannabe morons who couldn’t police their way out of a wet paper bag.
The FBI have been over rated for about 30 years. Gee, that would be about the time affirmative action kicked in. What a coincidence.
You are probably a “gun expert” but I call BS on your claim that you can take a upper and a lower receiver and turn an airsoft into a “fully funtional” M4.
What cracks me up is that if somebody has an M4, first of all they have the required permit for a select fire weapon, right? Well why in heck would they build an M4 around an airsoft gun? Why not do what everybody else does who builds AR’s and build the gun around the lower receiver (which requires paperwork to buy, unlike the toy airsoft guns)
I don’t see any logic in what you are claiming. Please explain why somebody would build an AR out of an airsoft gun?!
Read my post again.
OK, your telling me I am thinking slow tonight, I’m ignorant or whatever.
Or maybe you were being sarcastic about the stupidity of this whole idea.
Just the fact you’re on a gun thread/post I like you but help me out here, maybe there is something about airsofts I don’t know. (Tippman paintballer all the way, never tried airsoft)
Was it this guy?
Just to help you out. What Real Saxophonist is saying in quite simple:
When you replace both the upper and lower on a rife, you have replaced the entire rifle - those are all the components.
He was being sarcastic....
I got a good laugh out of it though. LOL
Basically, you take the top end of an M4 and toss away the airsoft upper assembly. Then you take a lower end of an M4 and toss away the airsoft lower... basically, you remove the entire airsoft toy from the picture and just put in a real M4 rifle.
I said it in another post, and I’ll say it here. We in the industry will not accept a ruling based on the modification of this toy to a gun UNLESS an agent puts the gun to his shoulder and fires one full 30 round magazine of US military spec ammunition (M855) though it. We will not accept another Bob Stewart BS “it fired a primed cartridge”. Real ammo or it doesn’t fly folks. BATFE has lost all credibility with the industry and they continue to dig that hole deeper. For once, people like James P. Vann should take the high road and put his anti-gun agenda away. He’s trampled all over the Constitution enough. How about staying within the confines and the spirit of the law???
I commend the folks over at cleanupatf.org for what they are trying to accomplish. Given how the BATFE has treated others who have tried to clean up the agency in the past, the guys over there trying to do it now clang when they walk and they have my utmost respect.
Thanks, I thought about it for awhile and came to that conclusion. He couldn’t take the time for the sarc tag for guys like me....LOL
Thank you too, appreciate it. Man I do feel slow sometimes.
BATF: I still remember that idiot’s negligent discharge while “instructing” students and claiming he was the only one “qualified” in the room....shooting himself in the leg or foot.
He’s basically saying “if you replace the airsoft gun with a real one...”
LOL / RotF / LOL!!
Awesome picture.
Thats okay, the best thing about the gun guys on FR - they know their sh*t so well they can have a little fun!
“Thats okay, the best thing about the gun guys on FR - they know their sh*t so well they can have a little fun!”
Yeah, and I get too serious about this stuff. Drives me nuts.
On a lighter note, did just get in some LC M852 and looking forward to seeing how it groups.
Save the brass and load your own - start your ladder with 42 gr Varget (stable powder) - good for the 168 BTHP Sierra!
A few years ago, I converted a Smith and Wesson Model 36 into a Bushmaster XM15-E2S. It’s easy. First, I replaced the barrel, receiver, and sights. Then I removed the small, wooden grips and fit a polymer pistol grip. I swapped the hammer, hand, and rebound slide for a bolt carrier, hammer, disconnector assembly. When I replaced the 5 shot cylinder with a 30 round clip, it was all finished. And both are black, the same color, which proves they’re the same gun!
M1A Socom 16. Tried my own loads with the Scirroco 165gr, really looking forward to using this LC brass, never have tried it but from all the forums its the brass to build a load with.
Not expecting MOA with the short sight radius and fat front sights on the Socom but considering the NM front sight to help for tighter groups. Actually what I want to do is put a scout scope on the rail and confirm the gun will shot 2-3” with the right load. I hope....
Thanks for the tip on powder.
Can that be done with a Model 37, and can I use a magazine instead of a clip?
Here’s some words he probably won’t understand: 52,000 pounds per square inch.
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Affirmative Action? Is Crenshaw black? ATF has been harrassing shooters for a lot longer than thirty years. It was over thirty years ago when a few of my friends decided to give up their FFL licenses to sell because of that harrassment.
The American work force has degenerated over the last thirty years because of the dumbing down of American students and consequently American society.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but if you are claiming that Affirmative Action caused the FBi and the ATF to degenerate, you don’t have a clue of what you are talking about.
What kills me is that the guy draws a salary.
From the taxpayers.
'Cause he's and idiot and embarrassment to the BATFE?
Being enough of an idiot to embarrass that bunch takes a lot of dumb.
Lets not waste the good stuff. Some Wolf, the old painted steel type would be just fine for the test.
That was a DEA agent.
Yes to the latter. The evidence indicates yes to the former.
I REALLY, REALLY hope you aren’t recommending 42 grains of Varget and a 168 grain bullet for an AR (223). Try more like 26 grains of Varget and a 50 grain bullet.
Pleas specify that you are talking about a 308 rather than a 223.
IN a real America, BAFTE would be a drive thru.....
Yeah, crenshaw is black. At least the guy I saw, claiming to be crenshaw was black.
Yes, there are other factors involved with the degeneration of the ATF, FBI, and the rest of the work force just as you’ve noted. Affirmative action was/is a major factor, and refusal to aknowledge it’s role in matters tells me that you don’t know what you are talking about or you are a recipient of the benefits of affirmative action.
Twe easist way is to take your model 37 and trade it in on a AR.
He is shooting a .308 - you couldnt fit a 42 grains of powder in the .223.
Is your brain working today? No humor in your system at all? The guy was saying that in order to make this air soft into a machine gun, you simply replace it with an M4. In other words, you can't covert it to a machine gun. Learn to read or take a reading comprehension course before making asinine comments about other reader's comments.
I detest Affirmative Action. Just like I detest every other leftist, government program that has resulted in many of my people becoming dependent on handouts and voting for Democrats. I notice that you acknowledge the other factors I mentioned. You didn’t do that in your first post.
All that says to me is that you prefer to blame Affirmative Action for whatever has gone wrong in those agencies. That is a racist way of thinking. Don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t care less whether you are racist. It is a free country. I have always viewed racists as flawed people who NEED to feel superior. They are not. Quite the contrary.
I did not refuse to acknowledge Affirmative Action as a factor. It is not the only factor, but it is the only one you chose to mention. I hate that. What racists do is denigrate every black person, no matter whether they are competent or not, in any field.
Finally, I am not a recipient of the benefits of Affirmative Action. I spent thirty years in the delivery of mental health services. I moved up into management and more than earned my salary. As far as I’m concerned your inability to comprehend that my remarks simply questioned your narrow view speaks volumns. So really, you don’t know what you are talking about because you can’t see past your miserable racist view of everything.
Mark!
Put it where the sun don’t shine.
Yes, I was slow, recovered myself and admitted he was being sarcastic, and I do see the humor in his comment.
I can’t hear somebody chuckle when their posting their comment so a sarc tag helps.
I do tend to be reactionary and miss the humor when we are talking about our weapons.
“Please specify...”
JD knows an M1A is a .308, and he also knows M852 does not feed well in a 223.:)
Thanks for confirming though
Did your sense of humor forget to "spring forward?"
Seriously, though...some of the upper end Air-Softs had recievers made by Olympic Arms.
“Did your sense of humor forget to “spring forward?””
Yeah it forgot. And thanks for the reminder about setting clocks, why didn’t you let me know last night?
Regarding airsoft/and M4’s, all I can say is I am proud to be associated with the gun nuts here at FR. Even if some of ‘em tend to be pricks from time to time....including myself.
Love me some old school model 98. It ain’t fast, it’s loud, but it’s accurate.
Two of my boys have model 98’s, dependable they are. I have an A-5, and my other son has a SP-8.
Gotta love it.
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