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The Slaughter Solution: The Metamorphosis of The American Republic Into Government By Fiat
NewsReal ^ | MARCH 14 | LIZ BLAINE

Posted on 03/14/2010 1:34:49 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

A very dangerous act is being attempted by the Left to secure their rule over the American people and transform the legislative process from a Constitutional Republic to a government by fiat. Today on Fox News Sunday, Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democrats intend to use the unconstitutional “Slaughter Rule” as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote and in defiance to the will of the American people.

The Slaughter rule would declare that the House of Representatives “deems” the Senate health care bill “passed” by the House. House members would have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but would then be able to claim they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself. In other words, Democrats will avoid a direct vote on the health care bill while allowing it to become law! They will take over one-sixth of the US economy without voting on it in direct violation to the legislative process defined by the U.S Constitution.

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KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; bribes; constitution; fiat; fraud; lies; obama; obamacare; pelosi; reid; republicanusage; selfexecutingrule; slaughter; slaughterhouse; tyranny
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1 posted on 03/14/2010 1:34:49 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

It’s all in Jonah Goldberg’s book: “Liberal Fascism”.


2 posted on 03/14/2010 1:36:05 PM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

This is pretty bad, but no one is going to do anything about it.

...not with a bang, but a whimper.


3 posted on 03/14/2010 1:36:48 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“Have you learned yet?
Crown me or we shall destroy the GOP again.
Now go buy my book, and play with your bananas.”

4 posted on 03/14/2010 1:38:44 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
a government by fiat

Shorter word: "Dictatorship"

5 posted on 03/14/2010 1:40:23 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Voting to “accept the rule” will be the equivalent of voting for the senate bill. Dems can’t believe they’ll get by with this fraudulent scam of the American public.


6 posted on 03/14/2010 1:48:48 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: rarestia

“This is pretty bad, but no one is going to do anything about it.

...not with a bang, but a whimper.”

Don’t be too sure about.

Methinks that Civil War II is coming sooner than the dim bulbs think.


7 posted on 03/14/2010 1:49:08 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: BarnacleCenturion

By what this Democrat has just said the Democrat Party of America has declared war on America, war against the Constitution they are sworn to uphold and they have declared war on the American people. This is the non-violent take-over of The Untied States of America by an American political party. This is war. There is a season to everything under Heaven. A season for Peace and a season of War. We’ve come to the latter season. The Democrat Party has with deliberate and malicious intent bought this situation about in planned and deliberate move to seize power in the US and radically transform our Constitutional Democracy to a centrally controlled socialist,quasi-police state. This is serious. These bastards have got to be stopped.


8 posted on 03/14/2010 1:51:25 PM PDT by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: Da Coyote

No longer can we deride Russia as being run by a Fascist Dictatorship instead of a free Democracy like us.

The 3rd Reich lives!


9 posted on 03/14/2010 1:52:07 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (Christmas 2009: Democrats give us Obama Cr*pCare, the t*rd that keeps on stinking.)
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To: Da Coyote

When they pass a bill that prevents me, my child, wife, parents, etc from being able to purchase health care and get the treatment they want and need. And my loved one is forced to die.

Tell me how I should feel about these political criminals?


10 posted on 03/14/2010 1:53:10 PM PDT by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
This isn't the complete story.

The bill isn't going to be legally effective if quasi adopted under the Slaughter rule. The article is correct as far as it goes--the adoption process wouldn't comply with the Constitution and they don't have law, even when the Senate bill is signed by Obama.

The reason they are doing this is to have a claim that they have complied with the Reconciliation Rule in the Senate--that they have a bill that is legally effective to reconcile to. So they can then take the House bill to the Parliamentarian of the Senate and get him to approve a motion on the rules to get the bill to the floor.

Then, if the Parliamentarian says ok, they take the House bill to the floor under reconciliation rules and either the Senate passes it intact; or amends it and passes it as amended in which case it goes back to the House; or it fails on the Senate floor.

If the later, I don't think they have law. But if they can do either one of the first two alternatives followed in the case of the second by adoption by the House, they have law even though the initial passage of the Senate bill was ineffective.

11 posted on 03/14/2010 1:53:11 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

And BTW, Ms. Slaughter is an absolute stupid phoney jackass.


12 posted on 03/14/2010 1:54:17 PM PDT by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: John-Irish

Arrest and try her for treason.


13 posted on 03/14/2010 1:55:15 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
This will not stand.

Obama and the Democrat congress are already on thin ice with the American people and if they try to use the 'Slaughter Rule' to ram through Obamacare without a vote, there will be a citizen revolt. Enough is enough.

14 posted on 03/14/2010 1:55:30 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Da Coyote

The next “war” will be fought with the media’s compliance. The current MSM needs to be replaced with a medium that caters to the individuality of American society. We are slowly denigrating the culture of America into a mish-mosh of socially acceptable stereotypes. Individuality is dead; plus it’s a core component to an effective group taking over the hearts and minds of America.


15 posted on 03/14/2010 1:55:39 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Ozone34
Yes Houston, we have a problem....


16 posted on 03/14/2010 1:59:19 PM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: Ozone34

You are right ... Jonah Goldberg was very much on top of it.

Two bit tin pot NObama writes it, signs it, and Americans must do it. Just like Kenya, except for one tiny little detail.


17 posted on 03/14/2010 2:01:53 PM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: David

“If the later, I don’t think they have law.”

Actually, the ruling of the Parliamentarian was to the effect that the bill has to be signed into law before the reconciliation process can move forward. That’s why Obambi postponed his trip. They’ll use the slaughter option to pass the senate bill, Obambi will sign it into law and then the reconciliation process will go forward with the fixes.


18 posted on 03/14/2010 2:02:39 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The fact they are even considering this is very scary. They are not in the least bit interested in what the ‘people’ want.


19 posted on 03/14/2010 2:03:22 PM PDT by lacrew (Barack Obama is always the least experienced most condescending guy in the room. (Rush))
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To: freekitty

Arrest of of them. Every fecking Democrat in The House and Senate! I don’t want to live in a socialist society! I”M AN AMERICAN GODDAMN IT!!! WE DIDN”T FIGHT WARS TO LIVE ON OUR KNEES!! I HATE YOU OBAMA YOU F**KING COMMUNIST BASTARD! Sorry to yell but I’m near tears here I can’t believe this is happening to our country, our home, our AMERICA!!


20 posted on 03/14/2010 2:03:32 PM PDT by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: rarestia
This is pretty bad, but no one is going to do anything about it.

Ummm, dems are going to be voted OUT of power over this one... that'll be enough.

21 posted on 03/14/2010 2:05:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: GOPJ

We’re 8 months out from that, FRiend. I’m on the side of the fence that believes we won’t make it to the next election without a fight.


22 posted on 03/14/2010 2:06:54 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
This is pretty bad, but no one is going to do anything about it.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Thats when the lid will blow.
23 posted on 03/14/2010 2:08:34 PM PDT by crosshairs
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Rule by Royal Decree. That worked out so well for King George III.


24 posted on 03/14/2010 2:10:37 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

IMO, Pelosi, Reid, the Fuhrer, his thug Administration, and the RATs in Congress are wiping their rears on our Constitution.


25 posted on 03/14/2010 2:13:07 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Freedom. Justice will be ours...


26 posted on 03/14/2010 2:19:03 PM PDT by hal ogen
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To: Da Coyote

Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say about it first.


27 posted on 03/14/2010 2:20:46 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: rarestia
The real question: who is the "no one?"

It is supposed to be someone in government, someone who has been/will be elected to an office? Is it some government appointed judge? Is it some non-profit?

I'm begging the question of exactly who "we" expect, mo demand - "do something to stop this?

What the dims have done, is to toss this in the laps of "We the People," in my opinion.

Next question: how do "we" go about "doing anything?"

I'm not attempting to be smart here, I'm merely questioning what would be our first steps at stopping this unconstitutional power grab?

28 posted on 03/14/2010 2:22:30 PM PDT by zerosix (native Sunflower)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Charles Krauthammer made a great point on reconciliation if this nightmare passes in the House - you’d have better luck believing in Peter Pan.


29 posted on 03/14/2010 2:22:52 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
They’ll use the slaughter option to pass the senate bill

Oh, they would pass it in a heartbeat if they could get away with it.

But they are questioning right now if it would actually be worse for them than passing the real bill.

The repercussions for those in shaky districts could be worse.

Plus, in your scenario they will still have to come back after Recess and hash thru reconciliaton in the months pre-election (airing all the ugly details of the bill). Not a good thing for these Demoncrats.

30 posted on 03/14/2010 2:30:03 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

31 posted on 03/14/2010 2:31:22 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

You are right. But if the SCOTUS rules against congress and POTUS, what prevents them from jointly giving SCOTUS the middle finger salute? This is called a Constitutional crisis. How is that managed? Who is in control at that point? This could get real ugly!

Reminds me of Uraguay and the removal the president that deigned to exceed his constitutionallly limited term of office. It resulted in the other branches by government removing him by force with assistance of the military. Obama stood behind the removed presidente’ as you may recall.


32 posted on 03/14/2010 2:35:37 PM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: Jim Scott

But, but.........Nancy Pelosi and others have said that “the American people don’t care about the process, they care about results”. They truly feel in their liberal minds that the ends justify the means when done in support of liberal causes.

I think Obama said something similar, that we shouldn’t focus on what the process will be, but we should proceed to a vote in Congress.

It’s crazy to watch these Democrats justify this; the same Democrats who worried about losing civil liberties due to the Patriot Act, and thought that Bush was spying on their phone calls and all that. The same people who want us to bend over backward to prove to Bin Laden that we will give constitutional rights to enemy combatants (can we still use that term), and live up to our highest ideals and all that, at this point will do anything to go around established legal procedures in the passing of Congressional legislation. They do not want us to live up to our highest ideals in the functioning of Congress do they?


33 posted on 03/14/2010 2:36:03 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: downtownconservative

If the Supremes slap this crap down as unconstitutional and the dems are actually stupid enough to force a constitutional crisis by outright defying the Judicial branch then I believe there will be violence and uprisings in the street. This is because the dems will show, beyond even the most generous form of reason, that they are attempting to hijack the nation.


34 posted on 03/14/2010 2:43:27 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: David

“they don’t have law, even when the Senate bill is signed by Obama.”

Huh? Once Obama signs the House-passed Senate version of the bill, it is LAW!!!!

True, they want to “fix” it through a reconciliation bill that amends selected parts of the new law, but there is no guarantee they will be successful, in which case the Senate bill—warts and all (cornhusker kickback,Louisiana purchase etc.)—is the law of the land. This is exactly what makes some House members very nervous. They don’t want to be on record as voting for a turkey that will enrage their constituents. If they could be ASSURED the Senate would pass reconciliation—which allegedly strips out the objectionable provisions—then there would be no need for Slaughter solution.


35 posted on 03/14/2010 2:45:06 PM PDT by DrC
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

They’re already there! So why would that scenario surprise anyone?


36 posted on 03/14/2010 2:45:41 PM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: downtownconservative
That was in Honduras, they are attempting to give obama the power given to Chavez in Venezuela by his cronies.
Things are slightly different in the USA, we have the right to bear arms to protect ourselves and our country from enemies both within our country or outside our country.
Last year eclipsed all years in the quantity of arms purchased.
Believe me there are plenty patriots that believe, that the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots.
We will not allow tyranny to take over without a fight.
37 posted on 03/14/2010 2:49:33 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: downtownconservative
But if the SCOTUS rules against congress and POTUS, what prevents them from jointly giving SCOTUS the middle finger salute?

If they were determined to be so ignorant, perhaps nothing, in the near term. But I would be shocked if the effect weren't a complete turnover in the next election - an probably some kind of trials afterward.

38 posted on 03/14/2010 2:55:02 PM PDT by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

violation to the legislative process defined by the U.S Constitution.


If the dems can get away with this why can’t republicans change the rules to override a presidential veto when they take over congress this Novmeber? Perhaps a simple majority could override a presidential veto. Wouldn’t that infuriate the dems?

It’d be the congressional way to neutralize the executive branch. Just think of the mischief it would allow. LOL


39 posted on 03/14/2010 2:58:58 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (The bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: pennboricua

THX for the correction. I should have looked it up. And I agree with you about everything else.

While we scuffle and fight for our liberty though, there are outside forces ready to pounce as we focus in more than out. All I can say is, these are perilous times and the liberal heads that got us here will need to roll.


40 posted on 03/14/2010 3:00:53 PM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I “deem” any such act an act of treason, as it violates their oath to uphold the Costitution. Since it is a treasonous act, compliance is complicity in treason.

Fight, fight and fight some more. The choice is either freedom or chains. Since slavery is outlawed, any law that wou;d enslave us is invalid.


41 posted on 03/14/2010 3:02:58 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
PLEASE DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!!

Okay, here's a TIME post listing those times when Republicans hve used the self-executing rule or so-called Slaughter Solution -- complete with quotes from Dems SCREAMING about Republicans using the self-executing rule. You see, there's really nothing new in Washington....

And here's a post supporting the constitutionality of the self-executing rule.

I'm not a constitutional lawyer, so all this beats me. But the fact is the so-called Slaughter solution, or self-executing rule, has been used before and has been used by Republicans, who only recently started calling it the Slaughter Solution because LOL it sounds so nasty.

42 posted on 03/14/2010 3:04:43 PM PDT by kittykat77
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To: Da Coyote

Yep. Just around the corner. Is your powder dry?


43 posted on 03/14/2010 3:18:30 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: zerosix

Well for starters you need to read Saul Alinski’s Rules for Radicals. If they want to do violence to the constitution then you show up witht a large vociferous and angry crowd at the congressman’s district office and you hang around there until he is forced to close it. Then you find out where his house is, where his kids go to school, grandmas house etc etc and you show up there with a large and vociferous crowd.

If your congressman wants to start down an illegal and unconstitutional path then follow him down that path and chances are he will soon see why we have laws and why we expect even congressmen to obey them. See if your congressman really wants to let the genie out of the bottle because I think he is living under the delusion that civil society is maintainable by a handful of police officers and the publics unwillingness to go as far as he would to get what he wants.


44 posted on 03/14/2010 3:19:27 PM PDT by amongolian
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To: downtownconservative

The miracle of the USA is that some of its patriots are from countries that have subjected its citizens to the exact form of government, now once again trying to be forced on them.
I believe that the USA will survive obama.
I also believe that Sen. Joe McCarthy will be looked back on as a true Patriot, who understood the danger that Communism,Socialism posed to our Country, that they ingrained themselves into all aspects of Governance, the media, entertainment as propaganda, and most destructive of all academia.
What is currently playing out in Texas regarding school books, and all the Tea Parties, lead me to believe that there is indeed an awakening of patriotism.


45 posted on 03/14/2010 3:21:20 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Boehner should take to the House floor tomorrow and call for her immediate expulsion, IMO.


46 posted on 03/14/2010 3:31:03 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: pennboricua

Optimism is good. Mine is at an all time low.


47 posted on 03/14/2010 3:35:33 PM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: John-Irish
"These bastards have got to be stopped."

Any ideas on how to do this? Do you think it's possible to do without resorting to armed conflict?
48 posted on 03/14/2010 3:36:29 PM PDT by Banjoguy (Barack H. Obama and the Democrats are at war with the American people.)
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To: amongolian

And you point is, besides not being able to count on any elected official to stop this madness?


49 posted on 03/14/2010 3:47:32 PM PDT by zerosix (native Sunflower)
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To: Banjoguy

Armed conflict? Against who? It isn’t the citizenry that’s declared war, its the Democrat Party that has. Novemebr is the only hope. Should that fail...then maybe yes, something drastic. Arresting top Dems, impeachment proceedings against the president.. something.


50 posted on 03/14/2010 3:52:38 PM PDT by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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