Skip to comments.The Slaughter Solution: The Metamorphosis of The American Republic Into Government By Fiat
Posted on 03/14/2010 1:34:49 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
A very dangerous act is being attempted by the Left to secure their rule over the American people and transform the legislative process from a Constitutional Republic to a government by fiat. Today on Fox News Sunday, Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democrats intend to use the unconstitutional Slaughter Rule as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote and in defiance to the will of the American people.
The Slaughter rule would declare that the House of Representatives deems the Senate health care bill passed by the House. House members would have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but would then be able to claim they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself. In other words, Democrats will avoid a direct vote on the health care bill while allowing it to become law! They will take over one-sixth of the US economy without voting on it in direct violation to the legislative process defined by the U.S Constitution.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsrealblog.com ...
It’s all in Jonah Goldberg’s book: “Liberal Fascism”.
This is pretty bad, but no one is going to do anything about it.
...not with a bang, but a whimper.
Have you learned yet?
Crown me or we shall destroy the GOP again.
Now go buy my book, and play with your bananas.
Shorter word: "Dictatorship"
Voting to “accept the rule” will be the equivalent of voting for the senate bill. Dems can’t believe they’ll get by with this fraudulent scam of the American public.
“This is pretty bad, but no one is going to do anything about it.
...not with a bang, but a whimper.”
Don’t be too sure about.
Methinks that Civil War II is coming sooner than the dim bulbs think.
By what this Democrat has just said the Democrat Party of America has declared war on America, war against the Constitution they are sworn to uphold and they have declared war on the American people. This is the non-violent take-over of The Untied States of America by an American political party. This is war. There is a season to everything under Heaven. A season for Peace and a season of War. We’ve come to the latter season. The Democrat Party has with deliberate and malicious intent bought this situation about in planned and deliberate move to seize power in the US and radically transform our Constitutional Democracy to a centrally controlled socialist,quasi-police state. This is serious. These bastards have got to be stopped.
No longer can we deride Russia as being run by a Fascist Dictatorship instead of a free Democracy like us.
The 3rd Reich lives!
When they pass a bill that prevents me, my child, wife, parents, etc from being able to purchase health care and get the treatment they want and need. And my loved one is forced to die.
Tell me how I should feel about these political criminals?
The bill isn't going to be legally effective if quasi adopted under the Slaughter rule. The article is correct as far as it goes--the adoption process wouldn't comply with the Constitution and they don't have law, even when the Senate bill is signed by Obama.
The reason they are doing this is to have a claim that they have complied with the Reconciliation Rule in the Senate--that they have a bill that is legally effective to reconcile to. So they can then take the House bill to the Parliamentarian of the Senate and get him to approve a motion on the rules to get the bill to the floor.
Then, if the Parliamentarian says ok, they take the House bill to the floor under reconciliation rules and either the Senate passes it intact; or amends it and passes it as amended in which case it goes back to the House; or it fails on the Senate floor.
If the later, I don't think they have law. But if they can do either one of the first two alternatives followed in the case of the second by adoption by the House, they have law even though the initial passage of the Senate bill was ineffective.
And BTW, Ms. Slaughter is an absolute stupid phoney jackass.
Arrest and try her for treason.
Obama and the Democrat congress are already on thin ice with the American people and if they try to use the 'Slaughter Rule' to ram through Obamacare without a vote, there will be a citizen revolt. Enough is enough.
The next “war” will be fought with the media’s compliance. The current MSM needs to be replaced with a medium that caters to the individuality of American society. We are slowly denigrating the culture of America into a mish-mosh of socially acceptable stereotypes. Individuality is dead; plus it’s a core component to an effective group taking over the hearts and minds of America.
You are right ... Jonah Goldberg was very much on top of it.
Two bit tin pot NObama writes it, signs it, and Americans must do it. Just like Kenya, except for one tiny little detail.
“If the later, I don’t think they have law.”
Actually, the ruling of the Parliamentarian was to the effect that the bill has to be signed into law before the reconciliation process can move forward. That’s why Obambi postponed his trip. They’ll use the slaughter option to pass the senate bill, Obambi will sign it into law and then the reconciliation process will go forward with the fixes.
The fact they are even considering this is very scary. They are not in the least bit interested in what the ‘people’ want.
Arrest of of them. Every fecking Democrat in The House and Senate! I don’t want to live in a socialist society! I”M AN AMERICAN GODDAMN IT!!! WE DIDN”T FIGHT WARS TO LIVE ON OUR KNEES!! I HATE YOU OBAMA YOU F**KING COMMUNIST BASTARD! Sorry to yell but I’m near tears here I can’t believe this is happening to our country, our home, our AMERICA!!
Ummm, dems are going to be voted OUT of power over this one... that'll be enough.
We’re 8 months out from that, FRiend. I’m on the side of the fence that believes we won’t make it to the next election without a fight.
Rule by Royal Decree. That worked out so well for King George III.
IMO, Pelosi, Reid, the Fuhrer, his thug Administration, and the RATs in Congress are wiping their rears on our Constitution.
Freedom. Justice will be ours...
Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say about it first.
It is supposed to be someone in government, someone who has been/will be elected to an office? Is it some government appointed judge? Is it some non-profit?
I'm begging the question of exactly who "we" expect, mo demand - "do something to stop this?
What the dims have done, is to toss this in the laps of "We the People," in my opinion.
Next question: how do "we" go about "doing anything?"
I'm not attempting to be smart here, I'm merely questioning what would be our first steps at stopping this unconstitutional power grab?
Charles Krauthammer made a great point on reconciliation if this nightmare passes in the House - you’d have better luck believing in Peter Pan.
Oh, they would pass it in a heartbeat if they could get away with it.
But they are questioning right now if it would actually be worse for them than passing the real bill.
The repercussions for those in shaky districts could be worse.
Plus, in your scenario they will still have to come back after Recess and hash thru reconciliaton in the months pre-election (airing all the ugly details of the bill). Not a good thing for these Demoncrats.
You are right. But if the SCOTUS rules against congress and POTUS, what prevents them from jointly giving SCOTUS the middle finger salute? This is called a Constitutional crisis. How is that managed? Who is in control at that point? This could get real ugly!
Reminds me of Uraguay and the removal the president that deigned to exceed his constitutionallly limited term of office. It resulted in the other branches by government removing him by force with assistance of the military. Obama stood behind the removed presidente’ as you may recall.
But, but.........Nancy Pelosi and others have said that “the American people don’t care about the process, they care about results”. They truly feel in their liberal minds that the ends justify the means when done in support of liberal causes.
I think Obama said something similar, that we shouldn’t focus on what the process will be, but we should proceed to a vote in Congress.
It’s crazy to watch these Democrats justify this; the same Democrats who worried about losing civil liberties due to the Patriot Act, and thought that Bush was spying on their phone calls and all that. The same people who want us to bend over backward to prove to Bin Laden that we will give constitutional rights to enemy combatants (can we still use that term), and live up to our highest ideals and all that, at this point will do anything to go around established legal procedures in the passing of Congressional legislation. They do not want us to live up to our highest ideals in the functioning of Congress do they?
If the Supremes slap this crap down as unconstitutional and the dems are actually stupid enough to force a constitutional crisis by outright defying the Judicial branch then I believe there will be violence and uprisings in the street. This is because the dems will show, beyond even the most generous form of reason, that they are attempting to hijack the nation.
“they don’t have law, even when the Senate bill is signed by Obama.”
Huh? Once Obama signs the House-passed Senate version of the bill, it is LAW!!!!
True, they want to “fix” it through a reconciliation bill that amends selected parts of the new law, but there is no guarantee they will be successful, in which case the Senate bill—warts and all (cornhusker kickback,Louisiana purchase etc.)—is the law of the land. This is exactly what makes some House members very nervous. They don’t want to be on record as voting for a turkey that will enrage their constituents. If they could be ASSURED the Senate would pass reconciliation—which allegedly strips out the objectionable provisions—then there would be no need for Slaughter solution.
They’re already there! So why would that scenario surprise anyone?
If they were determined to be so ignorant, perhaps nothing, in the near term. But I would be shocked if the effect weren't a complete turnover in the next election - an probably some kind of trials afterward.
violation to the legislative process defined by the U.S Constitution.
It’d be the congressional way to neutralize the executive branch. Just think of the mischief it would allow. LOL
THX for the correction. I should have looked it up. And I agree with you about everything else.
While we scuffle and fight for our liberty though, there are outside forces ready to pounce as we focus in more than out. All I can say is, these are perilous times and the liberal heads that got us here will need to roll.
I “deem” any such act an act of treason, as it violates their oath to uphold the Costitution. Since it is a treasonous act, compliance is complicity in treason.
Fight, fight and fight some more. The choice is either freedom or chains. Since slavery is outlawed, any law that wou;d enslave us is invalid.
Okay, here's a TIME post listing those times when Republicans hve used the self-executing rule or so-called Slaughter Solution -- complete with quotes from Dems SCREAMING about Republicans using the self-executing rule. You see, there's really nothing new in Washington....
And here's a post supporting the constitutionality of the self-executing rule.
I'm not a constitutional lawyer, so all this beats me. But the fact is the so-called Slaughter solution, or self-executing rule, has been used before and has been used by Republicans, who only recently started calling it the Slaughter Solution because LOL it sounds so nasty.
Yep. Just around the corner. Is your powder dry?
Well for starters you need to read Saul Alinski’s Rules for Radicals. If they want to do violence to the constitution then you show up witht a large vociferous and angry crowd at the congressman’s district office and you hang around there until he is forced to close it. Then you find out where his house is, where his kids go to school, grandmas house etc etc and you show up there with a large and vociferous crowd.
If your congressman wants to start down an illegal and unconstitutional path then follow him down that path and chances are he will soon see why we have laws and why we expect even congressmen to obey them. See if your congressman really wants to let the genie out of the bottle because I think he is living under the delusion that civil society is maintainable by a handful of police officers and the publics unwillingness to go as far as he would to get what he wants.
The miracle of the USA is that some of its patriots are from countries that have subjected its citizens to the exact form of government, now once again trying to be forced on them.
I believe that the USA will survive obama.
I also believe that Sen. Joe McCarthy will be looked back on as a true Patriot, who understood the danger that Communism,Socialism posed to our Country, that they ingrained themselves into all aspects of Governance, the media, entertainment as propaganda, and most destructive of all academia.
What is currently playing out in Texas regarding school books, and all the Tea Parties, lead me to believe that there is indeed an awakening of patriotism.
Boehner should take to the House floor tomorrow and call for her immediate expulsion, IMO.
Optimism is good. Mine is at an all time low.
And you point is, besides not being able to count on any elected official to stop this madness?
Armed conflict? Against who? It isn’t the citizenry that’s declared war, its the Democrat Party that has. Novemebr is the only hope. Should that fail...then maybe yes, something drastic. Arresting top Dems, impeachment proceedings against the president.. something.