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BREAKING: Healthcare Reform reconciliation bill is posted! 2300+ pages and includes student loan
http://budget.house.gov ^ | 3/14/2010 | James Wright

Posted on 03/14/2010 7:48:42 PM PDT by conservativefunhouse

To provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 202 of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2010.

2300+ pages and includes student loans. Happy reading...

(Excerpt) Read more at budget.house.gov ...


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To: RedMDer

Whether illegals are covered now or not, the democrats will try to get them in under amnesty, or some judicial activists will get them covered with a series of court decisions.


101 posted on 03/14/2010 8:47:03 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Thanks for the post. I read the 4 ways to spend money a couple of months ago. I was thinking the same thing you were, but you beat me to the post. Nice Job.


102 posted on 03/14/2010 8:47:42 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher

I see. Thanks for the info.


103 posted on 03/14/2010 8:47:46 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: mojo114; nutmeg

FYI


104 posted on 03/14/2010 8:48:06 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for FReeper Jeff Head)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“I pray that these traitors spend Eternity in Hell together.”

We may have to speed up the process.


105 posted on 03/14/2010 8:48:08 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: TexasNative2000

Could you find out a wordsearch on the word “SHALL”??

I was told that “SHALL” is the BAD word which more or less means “YOU WILL BE REQUIRED BY LAW IF THIS PASSES”.


106 posted on 03/14/2010 8:48:51 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Sure, and thanks for all you have done.


107 posted on 03/14/2010 8:49:00 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: conservativefunhouse

Pelosicare and the Public Option are back

Bend over America, its gonna hurt.


108 posted on 03/14/2010 8:49:40 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“Joe Wilson was telling the truth.”

In spades!


109 posted on 03/14/2010 8:50:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Data on Race and Ethnicity (or any successor 3 standards); and 4 ‘‘(iv) in consultation with the Director of 5 the Office of Minority Health, and the Director 6 of the Office of Civil Rights, of the Department, 7 develop standards for the collection of data on 8 health and health care with respect to data on 9 primary language;

We're gonna be a freaking tower of Babel. Divide and conquer.

110 posted on 03/14/2010 8:50:49 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: musicman

I just started to look at a few pages and they are FULL of “shall”-s, as in a dozen per page.

It’s going to be really bad.


111 posted on 03/14/2010 8:52:07 PM PDT by SmartInsight
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To: Jet Jaguar

It also includes the Public Option!


112 posted on 03/14/2010 8:52:16 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: mlocher

Much appreciate it.


113 posted on 03/14/2010 8:52:22 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Man50D

Amen.

Problem is, too many people - never mind the politicos they elected - don’t care about the Constitution or think it’s relevant.


114 posted on 03/14/2010 8:52:30 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: roses of sharon

I have rope and plenty of oak trees...


115 posted on 03/14/2010 8:53:13 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Diogenesis; Taxbilly; piasa; backhoe

Thanks Diogenesis for the ping.

Here it is:

3.3mb download

http://budget.house.gov/doc-library/FY2010/03.15.2010_reconciliation2010.PDF


116 posted on 03/14/2010 8:54:18 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: RandallFlagg

Great. Now one must attend “healthy living” classes at work IN ADDITION to “Tolerance” and “Diversity Training”.


117 posted on 03/14/2010 8:54:49 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Thunder90

It does.


118 posted on 03/14/2010 8:54:51 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: apillar

This is actually the “shell” bill that Paul Ryan warned about:

http://spectator.org/blog/2010/03/11/ryan-dems-ramming-shell-hc-bil

the Dems would ram through the Budget Committee, who would send it to the Rules Committee. At that point, the Rules Committee will strip out all of the language in the phantom bill, and insert the changes to the Senate bill that Democrats have negotiated. to use as a vehicle to impose national health care.

This is the first step in the convoluted process the Dems are using to force through ObamaCare.


119 posted on 03/14/2010 8:55:44 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Rush:Remember to put your faith in ideas and not people. People will always, always disappoint you!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"Are you saying the RECONCILIATION ITSELF is 2300 pages long?"

Indeed they are. This HAS to be a record length for a Reconciliation Bill, a point which I'm sure (I hope) the GOP will drive home in the coming days.

If the public option is really in there, as a few have claimed, this will signal an EPIC showdown, as such a provision will surely be struck by the Senate parliamentarian. The question becomes, will it be reinstalled by Biden.

120 posted on 03/14/2010 8:56:57 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Kennard

“it is designed to get rid of choices.”

True to liberal communists.

The only “CHOICE” they’re interested in is the “choice” to kill an innocent baby.

Well, OK, also the choice to kill off inconvenient sick people, via “euthanasia”.


121 posted on 03/14/2010 8:57:01 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: mlocher

Those “old” people in the econ textbooks and history books, like our founding fathers are actually pretty cool and wise.

They were rebels and bad asses.

I hope the younger generation realizes that. They get their info from the web instead of the NY Times. I think they will.


122 posted on 03/14/2010 8:57:39 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Beware of the Socialist Government-Academia Grant Junkie-Rich "non-profit"-Liberal Media Complex)
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To: ari-freedom

Right. So no one should waste a lot of time parsing this bill. It will all be gutted and replaced with who knows what.


123 posted on 03/14/2010 8:58:07 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: conservativefunhouse
From page 1011: (SBHC= School based health clinic)
COMPREHENSIVE PRIMARY HEALTH SERVICES.

The term ‘comprehensive primary health services’ means the core services offered by SBHCs, which shall include the following:

PHYSICAL.—Comprehensive health assessments, diagnosis, and treatment of minor, acute, and chronic medical conditions and referrals to, and follow-up for, specialty care.

MENTAL HEALTH.—Mental health assessments, crisis intervention, counseling, treatment, and referral to a continuum of services including emergency psychiatric care, community support programs, inpatient care, and outpatient programs.

OPTIONAL SERVICES.—Additional services, which may include oral health, social, and age-appropriate health education services, including nutritional counseling.

Looks like Planned Parenthood and Kevin Jennings type "age-appropriate health education services" are coming to a school near all of us if this passes. Oh yeah...and it looks like they will be screening kids for "mental illness" too.

124 posted on 03/14/2010 8:58:27 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: the OlLine Rebel

It is HEALTH CONTROL and little extra.


125 posted on 03/14/2010 8:58:41 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: ari-freedom

as Philip Klein explains (http://twitter.com/philipaklein) “They’re using this old bill because under recon rules, they need a bill that was sent to budget cte by Oct. 15, 2009.”


126 posted on 03/14/2010 8:59:10 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Rush:Remember to put your faith in ideas and not people. People will always, always disappoint you!)
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bttt


127 posted on 03/14/2010 9:00:47 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: conservativefunhouse

I’ll second the wish that all who vote for such an evil thing, spend eternity in Hell paying for their evil deeds.
Abortion is NOT healthcare! It is murder.


128 posted on 03/14/2010 9:01:08 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Those “old” people in the econ textbooks and history books, like our founding fathers are actually pretty cool and wise.

I agree. Econ is a lot like Math and biology. There are basic rules and laws that ring true throughout the universe. Screw up a rule in math and you flunk a test. Screw up a rule in econ and you mess up an economy. The "old" guys understood that.

129 posted on 03/14/2010 9:02:04 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mockingbyrd
"wait....if the public option is in, then this isn’t the bill passed by the Senate, which means it can’t go straight to the president’s desk. Right?"

They've posted the Reconciliation bill, which by Constitutional requirement, MUST originate in the House. The House is readying to pass this Reconciliation bill which would then "deem" the original Senate bill (H.R. 3590). Once H.R. 3590 passes, it will be sent to the President for his signature.

This reconciliation bill would then need to be passed by the Senate, and then sent to the President.

They are two separate bills H.R. 3590, the original Senate bill and this Reconciliation Bill (HR number yet unknown).

130 posted on 03/14/2010 9:02:12 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: ExTexasRedhead

These people are crazy.


131 posted on 03/14/2010 9:03:02 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: BunnySlippers

God doesn’t take sides in this kind of thing.


132 posted on 03/14/2010 9:03:15 PM PDT by drubyfive
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To: neodad
Is that the only change? Perhaps the communists thought "one little line, nobody will notice..."

BTW, it is also my understanding that if there are changes it's got to go back to the Senate.

Of course the communists may just make up another "rule" just like the "Virtual Vote" rule...

133 posted on 03/14/2010 9:05:44 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: conservativefunhouse

They went Nuke. This is now my personal war to throw them all out.

134 posted on 03/14/2010 9:06:37 PM PDT by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: All
Call your senators and Congressional representatives and tell them to vote, "NO" to this legislation.


135 posted on 03/14/2010 9:06:49 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I don’t think those are the kind of Republican ideas that should be included.


136 posted on 03/14/2010 9:07:09 PM PDT by drubyfive
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To: drubyfive

Of course not, just ask those who voted to keep slavery legal, or those German lawmakers that voted for the Nuremberg laws that lead to the final solution.

No, God keeps out of these matters.


137 posted on 03/14/2010 9:07:12 PM PDT by feedback doctor (The US Constituiton is a Capitalist document)
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To: mrreaganaut

Evil “Chloroform in print” ping.


138 posted on 03/14/2010 9:07:13 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's)
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To: OldDeckHand

Ok. Dumb this down to my level......if the house passes this bill, it has to go through the Senate first. If the House had passed the bill straight out of the Senate, then it would go straight to the president’s desk. So by posting this bill it’s good news, because there’s still the Senate to get through.


139 posted on 03/14/2010 9:07:30 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: mockingbyrd
Oops, I've left out a word. It should have read...

"The House is readying to pass this Reconciliation bill which would then "deem" the original Senate bill (H.R. 3590) passed (by the House)"

140 posted on 03/14/2010 9:07:33 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: potlatch

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We have all been paying deductions into Medicare each week since LBJ/mid-60’s days

Now Obama and the radical democrats tell us they must cut all Medicare yearly by 50% - have a trillion buckeroos a year

To pay for illegal aliens and for healthy 14 year old boys to have abortions

Transexuals will be getting in on this as well as homosexual partners

This is an endless eternal exploding scam

It and “SIMULOUS” will be used to fund democrat campaigns, ACORN, Americorps, La Raza, MEchA, Planned Parenthood abortions (by using a different fed agency not now covered by bans on the fed funding of abortions)


141 posted on 03/14/2010 9:07:48 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . Sarah Palin can spell corpsmen . . . . . . .)
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To: OldDeckHand

is that the Slaughter rule? That something is deemed passed with no actual vote on it?


142 posted on 03/14/2010 9:08:15 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: SmartInsight

IIRC, one of the bills (either house or senate) had over 3,000 “Shalls”.


143 posted on 03/14/2010 9:08:31 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: mlocher

I sort of disagree.

Economics is a behavioral social study. It’s not an exact science.

Math and biology is an exact science. 2 +2 is always 4.

Unless the scientists get gubmint cheese and grant money, in which case they will cook the books and tell you that 2 + 2 means we are all going to die in a great big ball of fire unless you give us billions of dollars to save you from global warming/cooling/climate change/re runs of American Idol or anything else bad.

Heck, it’s a living.


144 posted on 03/14/2010 9:09:28 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Beware of the Socialist Government-Academia Grant Junkie-Rich "non-profit"-Liberal Media Complex)
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To: OldDeckHand
"The House is readying to pass this Reconciliation bill which would then "deem" the original Senate bill (H.R. 3590) passed (by the House)"

I need clarification. I understand it to be that the original Senate bill will be deemed passed when the new House bill becomes law. Is that correct? I still don't like the "deemed" part but it would buy us some time to fight it.

145 posted on 03/14/2010 9:11:38 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: conservativefunhouse

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/14/846274/-Public-Option-in-the-reconciliation-bill-What

An idea at least of what might be going on..... who knows....


146 posted on 03/14/2010 9:12:38 PM PDT by Sleeping Freeper
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To: All

I swiped this from GailA

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts.
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District

Code Red” - House Target List on Health Care

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District

Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)


147 posted on 03/14/2010 9:13:01 PM PDT by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: mockingbyrd

Bumping what you said. I was at a rally Michele Bachmann spoke at on Saturday. Sounds like they’re muddling everything the Constitution requires such as an aye or nay vote. I hate these liars.


148 posted on 03/14/2010 9:13:24 PM PDT by mplsconservative (0bama = Epic Fail)
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To: conservativefunhouse

Tweeted tonight by @michellemalkin

Why’s this in “hc reform bill”?: “SEC343.ADVISORY COUNCIL ON GREEN, HIGH-PERFORMING PUBLIC SCHOOL[s]” p2227


149 posted on 03/14/2010 9:13:58 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: mockingbyrd
"Ok. Dumb this down to my level......if the house passes this bill, it has to go through the Senate first. If the House had passed the bill straight out of the Senate, then it would go straight to the president’s desk. So by posting this bill it’s good news, because there’s still the Senate to get through."

Let me preface this by saying - this is what the Dems intend to do. I'm not saying this is Constitutional or will pass parliamentary muster, just that these are their intentions...

They've posted their proposed Reconciliation Bill. This bill will have to make it through the House Ways & Means (or perhpas finance, I'm not sure) comittee. Then, after some changes are presumably made, it will be brought to the House floor without debate, for an up or down vote - that is within the power of the Speaker. This reconciliation bill, when it comes to the House floor, will contain - in theory - a self-executing rule that will deem the original Senate Health Care bill passed by the House when the Reconciliation Bill is passed. That original health care bill (H.R. 3590) will then travel to the president's desk.

In the meantime, this Reconciliation bill will travel to the Senate where it will go through the Reconciliation Bill. After they clear the blood from the Parliamentarian's office, the Senate will vote on this Reconciliation Bill, and it will then be sent to the President for his signature. With it's passing and signing into law, the Reconciliation Bill make - again, in theory - changes to the original Senate bill (H.R. 3590), that the House liberal Democrats didn't like - like the Cadillac Tax, for instance.

150 posted on 03/14/2010 9:14:43 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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