Skip to comments.House Democrats Short on Health Care Votes, Clyburn Says
Posted on 03/15/2010 6:44:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz
House Democratic leaders still do not have enough votes to pass health care reform, the chamber's top vote counter said, even though the administration is aiming to have the bill passed this week.
The reality check came from Rep. James Clyburn, the House Democratic whip.
"No, we don't have them as of this morning, but we've been working this thing all weekend," Clyburn, D-S.C., said.
But despite the challenge of corralling wavering Democrats, Clyburn joined with other Democratic officials in saying he was confident the measure would pass, echoing comments from Speaker Nancy Pelosi Saturday.
Democratic leaders want the House to pass the Senate-approved version of the bill, before moving on to a package of changes. That package, which is already under consideration, would be taken up in the Senate as a "reconciliation" bill, meaning the Senate would be able to approve it with just 51 votes -- Democrats turned to the legislative tactic after Republican Scott Brown won the Massachusetts Senate election in January, breaking the party's 60-vote filibuster-proof majority.
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Don’t believe anything from a Dim.... either way...
Pray they dont pass it....and Pray that more good americans run for office at every level....
They don’t need the votes. They are going to put it in place with a sham and no vote.
Amen. Don't even read or listen to what they say. It's not worth an honest person's time.
Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.
KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE
Code Red - House Target List on Health Care
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obamas announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the fixer bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)
On the Bubble (Major developments from the yes and no columns in the House)
Congressional Dems on Twitter
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.
At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote yes for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.
When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senators answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!
We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!
1-800-828-0498 , 1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351
Oct. 09 “We have the votes”
Nov. 09 “We have the votes”
Dec. 09 “ We have the votes”
Jan. 10 “ We have the votes”
Feb. 10 “ We have the votes”
Mar. 10 “ We have the votes”
Mar. 2020 (GOD) “ I have the vote”
I see two options for the Dems... and I don’t think they know which they’ll choose to use.
1) pass the senate’s bill, have 0bama sign it, then to reconciliation to change it to make the House happy.
but... i don’t think they’ll be able to change it w/ reconcilation b/c the senate doesn’t want to change it and repubs don’t want them to use reconciliation and blow up the senate - hell dems don’t want to let loose the reconcilation monster b/c they’ll be minority real soon. So, I don’t think the bill will be changed if the house passes it.
2) the slaugher thing - this is the scariest IMO b/c it means the dems and 0bama are actually willing to simply “take over” the country. This is 0bama’s Chavez move and must be met with extreme opposition - like asking the military to take him and/or pelosi/ried into custody.
Nothing good is going to happen this week. Either the bill doesn’t pass and they try the slaughter take-over or the bill passes and we’re stuck w/ the senate bill.
I suppose we could campaign on overturning it - and we’d get lots and lots of non-dems elected ... but would we overturn it?
On Pelosi's headstone: "I had the votes!"
Don’t beleive him. All they so is lie and deceive.
Send the following wise John Adams statement to the Congressmen and Senators on the target list, along with the question:
"Do you save the President, or do you save "the People's" liberty for generations to come?"
"Found in: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, vol. 4 (Novanglus, Thoughts on Government, Defence of the Constitution) - NO. III. - paragraph 144
"Obsta principiis (translation: resist the beginnings), nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour. The revenue creates pensioners, and the pensioners urge for more revenue. The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality, become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society."
“Dont believe anything from a Dim.... either way...”
Call, call, call, call - and protest and SCREAM:
http://teapartypatriots.org/ - big protest tomorrow in DC and everywhere around the States.
Thank you ExTexasRedhead!
Once there is a bill that bambi signs, that will be it. No reconciliation or anything else. No more talk about it, just more taxes for us and loss of our own healthcare system as we know it. We are stuck with it and then he’ll move on to cram an immigration bill down our throats.
Keep the pressure on these Dims. Don’t let up a nanosecond. Not until the vote happens. I won’t even believe Stupak until he votes. This should be a lesson however. No matter how conservative a blue dog sounds on the campaign trail, when push comes to shove they will vote with their party. Party first, principles second.
Don’t forget Gibbs famous line - by next Sunday Obamacare will be the law of the land.
At this point they do not have a pot to p*ss in.
They are trying to intimidate us into letting them pass this thing. At this point it will not pass. This is going down.
The only thing they are praying for is that we can be intimidated into rolling over.
If we can beat this thing back, government healthcare will likely be dead for the forseeable future. Never again will the stars align for Democrats in this fashion. The clock is running out....
KEEP. THE. PRESSURE. ON.
Keep the pressure on these Dims. Dont let up a nanosecond. Not until the vote happens.”
What if it DOESN’T happen? What if the non-vote SLAUGHTER happens? In any case, your advice to not let up for a nanosecond still applies!
Also don’t forget about the March 16th protests all over this great nation:
Dont believe anything they say period. On the slaughter anything. Call their offices and let you voice be heard. Democrats can NEVER be trusted. Period.
Assuming they can identify the toilet they flush the remains down.
I just telephoned Congressman Alan Boyd (D-FL) of Florida’s 2nd Congressional District (Northwest Florida). He voted NO to the House bill (public option, etc.) His office informed me that he was UNDECIDED as to how he was going to vote on the Senate bill now before the House. This guy is a member of the “Blue Dog” coalition and in a very red area of the state. I made it very clear that the Congressman’s constituents overwhelmingly oppose this bill. Don’t think he cares though, but we need to keep up the pressure!!
Meanwhile, over 2 million people are short on representation.
I heard that. Gibbs sounded pretty confident - but then again, he’s an A-hole who will lie and say anything for Zero.
We could also just decide not to fund it.
Furthermore, there’s a damn good chance the SCOTUS would nullify it if the Slaughter Option is executed, since it would be rather easy to call it unconstitutional, even if it meant dusting off the Federalist Papers in order to do it.
Well in your scenario I think #2 is the most likely WITHOUT a vote, I don't see any other play unless Pelosi has at least 220 YES votes when she calls a vote. Then the fun really begins. Obama and his army of thugs, bureaucrats, gays, minorities and other riff raf daring you and I to come get him, playing the "You guys are kooks card". Our Republic is on the precipice with this, its that important, a sh*t or get off the pot moment for the US. I wonder the logistics of actually removing a President, is their any mechanism for it, besides impeachment. I know Eisenhower threatened to physically remove Wallace from office back in the 1950's because the Alabama state legislature which was full of DEMS refused to remove him.
Never have I been more impressed with a timely post than yours!!!
The military can do it with judicial backing i reckon [but don’t know.] But i dunno how that would work.
If 0bama simply decides he’s the dictator and needs no legislative branch [and that’s what he’s doing w/ slaughter], what would be our founders’ recipe? Would they go for 0bama or slaughter or pelosi or who?
THe Rs need to have it ready. I’m sure as 110% that the military is on our side fwiw.
ANd when november comes, will the repubs we as willing to do what it takes to get us back to a capitalist nation?
Even though Mary Landrieu sold her soul to this travesty of a bill, I continue e-mail her. I am sickened.
If they don’t have the votes for health care, how can they get the Slaughter Rule passed?
You forget that they will have the enforcement powers to force it on us through employers, doctors, insurers, a slate of bureaucracies that seemingly have nothing to do with health care, and the IRS. They’ll take the money right out of your bank account or administratively garnish your wages. If this passes, you will comply even if it’s through enforcement. Further, if you or your loved one get seriously ill, you will have to submit yourselves to the system in order to get treatment. Don’t rely on the SCOTUS to put a stop to this. We were sure they’d dump McCain-Feingold, but they didn’t. Then there was the Kelo case. Antonin Scalia is in his 70s and Kennedy is no spring chicken, either. God forbid, but any of the “good” justices could drop tomorrow, and Kennedy isn’t reliable anyway. They’d be replaced by a hard-core lefty, worse than any others on there.
So, please, spare us. If this passes, the only way to undo it is repeal it quickly or anarchy.
The theory is more dems are willing to vote for slaughter b/c they won't be on record supporting the health bill.
I don’t know how it could happen - that’s what I’m asking about. Maybe someone will chime in w/ knowledge...
His contact info:
120 Cannon HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-5614
Fax: (202) 225-1168
Time to call Mr. Brown's office, yes???
If that’s the case, I remember Wyatt Earp’s solution— “kill’em all”(in the electoral context of course).
There is something seriously wrong when I can get right through to my congressman’s office. We need to FLOOD the phone lines. I just called to complain and express my disapproval of his plan to vote FOR the health care bill. The guy who answered was polite, and appeared speechless that I did NOT want it.
Start calling NOW.
Of course they are shy of the required number of 216 votes. Otherwise, they would have shoved this through when they reached the majority +1.
If this goes through, particularly if there are more taxpayer dollars being used to pay off Reps (as in the Louisiana and Nebraska kickbacks), it will be like nuclear winter for Dems in November. They will ALL be toxic. No major piece of legislation has ever passed without having some sort of support from the other side. The only way they can get it through is with trickery, lies and deceit.
“Party first, principles second.”
Party first means there are no principles, second or otherwise.
“A vote for the Slaughter rule is a vote for healthcare as far as I’m concerned.”
My concern is that a Federal Judge, ruling on the Constitutionality of the “bill,” would write the exact same thing in his opinion upholding it.
This thought occurs because we have an opposition party that we distrust.
Yes, the pubs are doing a fine job now but softly, ever so softly, I suggest that such strength against an impending law that 3/4 of the country opposes is hardly a bastion of courage.
It's why we are so worried. I don't buy for one millisecond that this bill could be overturned. I know about the 2/3 required to overturn a veto and all that but let the Dems do this and this country's citizenry will be riled enough to elect those who campaign on repeal.
Except the pubs don't even attempt this sort of thing. It might make those across the aisle mad at them; it might muss carefully coiffed head hairs; it might cause invites to cocktail parties to cease. Most horrible of all, they might have to leave the tanning booths to deal with it.
I hope I'm wrong but I feel no comfort that the pubs will scale back any huge liberal act. They never have before so why believe it now?
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