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Should Big Bend Become an 'International Park?'
WOAI ^ | 3/12/10 | Jim Forsyth

Posted on 03/15/2010 6:54:08 AM PDT by laotzu

US Interior Secretary Ken Salazar today suggested combining the Big Bend National Park in west Texas with the Monumento Natural del Rio Bravo across the river in Mexico, to form the Big Bend/Rio Bravo International Park.

"The United States and Mexico are neighbors sharing a beautiful treasure," Salazar said today during a tour of the Big Bend. "Our two nations could and should engage in an even higher level of cooperation to conserve this remarkable area and its wildlife, while providing more opportunity for visitors to enjoy it."

Actually, the idea of combining the two parks is not new...it was discussed by Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Manuel Avila Camacho back in the 1930s.

Salazar said he has had talks with Mexican Interior Secretary Juan Rafael Elvira Quesada about the idea. Salazar was the guest of Congressman Ciro Rodriguez, who's district includes the Big Bend.

"I'm proud to represent this area and look forward to having a dialogue with the Secretary about how best to preserve and enhance the park using stimulus funding and other resources," Rodriguez said.

Salazar said combined, the Big Bend and Rio Bravo constitute one of the largest and most important conservation areas in North America, and a combined park would help officials on both sides of the Rio Grande better address issues from water and air quality to management of wildfires.

Rio Bravo del Norte is the name for the Rio Grande used in Mexico.


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: landgrab; mexico; parks; water
Issues of the management of wildfires.....hmmmmm. Sounds very technical. Maybe a tall, fireproof fence. We're gonna need a committee for this one.

Anyone with questions, or concerns, is a racist!!

1 posted on 03/15/2010 6:54:08 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

What a great way to allow illegals entry. The “enforceable border” will be moved to the area immediately around that park on the US side.

This is a terrible idea.


2 posted on 03/15/2010 6:55:55 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: laotzu

No way.


3 posted on 03/15/2010 6:59:56 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (I'm really thrilled that Scott Brown WON Big Time Last Night)
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To: laotzu

This “international park” idea is not new. I recall during our frequent trips to Big Bend in the 1970’s that Mexico was “suppose” to have their own national park set up directly across the Rio Grande.

I know exactly what this is all about - money! The USA will just use this new impetus as an excuse to funnel more money to Mexico.


4 posted on 03/15/2010 7:00:31 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: laotzu

Hell no...and force Texas to give up it’s only real Mountain range of note.


5 posted on 03/15/2010 7:00:44 AM PDT by wardaddy (women are crazy...girls too)
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To: laotzu

NO.


6 posted on 03/15/2010 7:02:01 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: wardaddy

“Hell no...and force Texas to give up it’s only real Mountain range of note.”

Don’t forget the Guadeloupe Mountains along the NM border.


7 posted on 03/15/2010 7:03:04 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: laotzu
Bill Clinton had to give away some National Parks to the UN to secure loans or something that he was finagling. Looks like secret dealings by Boama.
8 posted on 03/15/2010 7:03:26 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: laotzu

I was thinking GITMO would be better suited to house the traitors in our government. We might be able to get a contract to get them Cuban Health Care while we are at it.


9 posted on 03/15/2010 7:03:54 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: laotzu

NO way. what is ours stays as ours only.

how can the US take a state’s territory and make it part of a foreign nation anyway?

That is allowed in the Constitution?


10 posted on 03/15/2010 7:05:29 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: laotzu

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“International” park?

Have we lost our minds?


11 posted on 03/15/2010 7:06:18 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory; it is better to perish than to live a slave)
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To: laotzu

Since the park is called Big Bend, shouldn’t the waterway be Big River?


12 posted on 03/15/2010 7:06:52 AM PDT by drubyfive
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To: laotzu

What a wonderful idea, that way the illegas can get rest and a good supply of water before heading into the interior of the US. It will make crossing the border ever so much easier on the poor guys.
Do all government officials think we are as stupid as they are?


13 posted on 03/15/2010 7:07:03 AM PDT by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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To: laotzu; Liz; Tennessee Nana; AuntB

Erosion of national sovereignty. Another “accomplishment” of the BO administration.


14 posted on 03/15/2010 7:07:40 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: drubyfive

It is called that, in Spanish.


15 posted on 03/15/2010 7:10:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Touch Not the Cat
“International” park? Have we lost our minds?

Yes, starting with November 2008.


16 posted on 03/15/2010 7:14:25 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Our politicians are stupid and our policies unsustainable)
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To: thackney

I know. Why? Also, why do the Mexicans call it Rio Bravo?


17 posted on 03/15/2010 7:16:32 AM PDT by drubyfive
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To: Touch Not the Cat

Then there’s that Peace Arch International Park in Washington and BC. What in Sam Hill is going on?


18 posted on 03/15/2010 7:17:07 AM PDT by drubyfive
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To: laotzu

No. Absolutely not.


19 posted on 03/15/2010 7:17:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Upset people bore me.)
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To: laotzu
Not "No!" but "Hell no!"

We have to get away from giving away our treasures and taxing our resources.. There is no advantage to us in doing it. We gave away the Panama Canal and look what that got us.

20 posted on 03/15/2010 7:18:05 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: bestintxas

[NO way. what is ours stays as ours only.

how can the US take a state’s territory and make it part of a foreign nation anyway?

That is allowed in the Constitution?]

The park is our land, just like the taxes the govt spends, the money is ours. It’s easy to spend other people’s money and give away other people’s land.


21 posted on 03/15/2010 7:20:11 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (A "tea bagger"? Say it to my face. ><BCC>)
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To: laotzu

Rodriguez is fighting for his political life and will use ANYTHING he thinks will up his polling in the hispanic community. That should tell you what a complete imbecile he’s been. He “represents” my district in San Antonio. Here’s hoping the Rep runoff gives us somebody able to beat him like a drum. If it’s Will Hurd, he can use his background as a former CIA type to ride the national security horse.

Colonel, USAFR


22 posted on 03/15/2010 7:27:34 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: laotzu

No. We cannot allow this to happen.


23 posted on 03/15/2010 7:28:44 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: ConservativeMind

I love the Big Bend area — except when the smog blows north out of Mexico and a blue sky turns to yellow haze. Right now those illegals who seek to cross to the US side, when caught, are transpored to Del Rio where they are shipped back to Mexico, which is often hundreds of miles from where they crossed. They don’t like it. Also, there are really only two routes into and out of the US side of the Big Bend, and both are patrolled. This region has not been a preferred route for illegals; however, to open up this region as Salzar wants will ensure an increased flow of traffic of illegals. That’s the idea behind this move in the first place.


24 posted on 03/15/2010 7:37:32 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: laotzu
No comment for fear of being banned......

bookmark for later

25 posted on 03/15/2010 7:38:44 AM PDT by Envisioning (Proud "Right Wing Extremist" per the DHS.......)
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To: ConservativeMind

The waiters in Lajitas wade to work every day, or used to !!


26 posted on 03/15/2010 7:40:31 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: drubyfive
Since the park is called Big Bend, shouldn’t the waterway be Big River?

On our side,it's the Big River (Río Grande), and on their side, it's thge Wild River (Río Bravo).

27 posted on 03/15/2010 7:41:19 AM PDT by Taft in '52
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To: texanyankee

“I know exactly what this is all about - money! The USA will just use this new impetus as an excuse to funnel more money to Mexico.”

The usual plan. The US gives, Mexico takes.


28 posted on 03/15/2010 7:53:51 AM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: drubyfive
Why do the Mexicans call it Rio Bravo?

That's a long story, going back to Renaissance times, when the Spaniards dubbed it the Wild River, while it was the Big River in the languages of the various Indian tribes that lived along the waterway.

29 posted on 03/15/2010 7:53:55 AM PDT by Taft in '52
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To: laotzu

FWIW, we already have the Glacier-Waterton International Peace Park on the northern border. Since the 30s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterton-Glacier_International_Peace_Park


30 posted on 03/15/2010 8:00:35 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ConservativeMind

Salazar is showing his true colors, and I think he is an outright traitor.


31 posted on 03/15/2010 8:05:05 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: reagan_fanatic
Yes, starting with November 2008.

You're late to the party, the ones who are steering the ship of state now started going crazy way before that.

32 posted on 03/15/2010 8:08:50 AM PDT by tx_eggman
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To: laotzu

The tourists running the RIo Grande will soon find their rafts bumping into the floating heads of cops and other victims of the narcotraficante mobs. Hikers in the Chisos Mts. will risk encounters with drug goons.


33 posted on 03/15/2010 8:11:04 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: laotzu

Anyone who has been out to Big Bend in the last couple decades already knows that it IS an International Park. Lots of human and drug smuggling going through there on a daily basis.


34 posted on 03/15/2010 8:14:31 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: ConservativeMind

It’s almost that way now. The Border Patrol checkpoints are north of the Park now on the two access highways. In fact, most of the southern US checkpoints leave vast amounts of US territory unattended now. These just catch illegals who try to travel by paved road into the core of the country...

Regardless, it is a bad idea. In the past 30 years, I have been to BBNP countless times. Law enforcement in the park consists of county, state, and Federal (NP, DEA, BP). As an international park, then what? The UN blue shirts?


35 posted on 03/15/2010 8:14:41 AM PDT by Freeter (Texans for Freedom)
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To: wilco200

High Lonesome should stay that way.


36 posted on 03/15/2010 8:24:41 AM PDT by altura
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To: 1066AD

(i)The waiters in Lajitas wade to work every day, or used to !!(/i)

It became illegal to come over at the local crossings a few years ago - Pasa Lajitas, Boquillas. The nearest legal crossover is Presidio-Ojinaga. From those I know in the area, the day-workers, shoppers, and school kids pretty much don’t cross anymore. I talked to one area contractor who is paranoid now about using illegals for construction jobs - the penalties are severe.


37 posted on 03/15/2010 8:24:48 AM PDT by Freeter (Texans for Freedom)
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To: laotzu

Another day, another meaningless feel-good initiative from the Obama administration.


38 posted on 03/15/2010 8:28:05 AM PDT by relictele
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To: texmexis best
"We cannot allow this to happen"

Too late, there already three of them on the Canadian border.

39 posted on 03/15/2010 8:45:37 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: laotzu

......The Waterton-Glacier International Peace Park is the name of the union of the Waterton Lakes National Park in Canada and the Glacier National Park in the United States. Both parks are declared Biosphere Reserves by UNESCO and their union as a World Heritage Site.

The union of the parks was achieved through the efforts of Rotary International members from Alberta and Montana in 1932. The dedication address was given by Sir Charles Arthur Mander, second baronet. It was the world’s first International Peace Park, symbolising peace and friendship between the two countries........

There is a precedent in Montana/Alberta.

I recently visited Big Bend and there is not much but wilderness on the other side of the river. On the eastern end, the villagers cross the river in skiffs to place there wares on display for sale to visitors.


40 posted on 03/15/2010 9:04:51 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: mountainlion
Read about the "United Nations Biodiversity Treaty".

You and I will continue to pay taxes for the maintenance and upkeep of all the National Parks. But we no longer own them. Now, the UN has ultimate jurisdiction.

This started long before Clinton took office.

41 posted on 03/15/2010 9:27:32 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Should people be questioning their government? Yes and "Where's the birth certificate?")
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To: B4Ranch
This started long before Clinton took office.

Carter probably gave the farm away also. Clinton signed away Rocky Mountain National Park that I know of and probably Yellowstone and who know what else.

42 posted on 03/15/2010 11:37:51 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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