Skip to comments.Clyburn reports four Congressional 'No' votes convert to 'Yes'
Posted on 03/15/2010 10:45:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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The Ceausescu termination would be very fitting for these ‘rats.
I don’t believe Bart Gordon was ever a No vote. Last week on local radio it was reported that he has been offered a position w/ the Science and Technology Center in DC. He’s already announced he was retiring. I think the job offer was payback for a YES vote. I know folks here in Middle TN never thought he would actually vote how his constituents are asking. He’s always been a NO in my opinion.
Maybe waterboarding is legal if the rat is a congressman, but not as a terrorista.
I heard earlier that the Republicans will run on repealing this Bill if it passes and that they will use whatever process the ‘Rats used to pass it to repeal it. I presume that means if they use Reconciliation, that’s what the ‘pubs will use.
Clyburn’s trying to force some hands here, although it’s possible they flipped.
One reason for the deadline is that they want to force those who are posturing for goodies to give it up and get on board.
I wonder how many of these 4 were sputtering maybes when badgered by Clyburn and he figures if he publically says they’re on board, they’ll be too cowardly to contradict him.
Good for you
all you need to do is ask how MY congressman. woman is voting
they wont tell you of course
then say that you expect theRep to vote AGAINST it and to work on a New Good bill if he/ she wants to be reelected
remember to block your number
and have a city with zip code in their district handy. They will ask for your address but you dont need to give it,
just tell them you are a constitutent
89 posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 2:18:57 PM by RWGinger
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Some offices won’t accept blocked calls. I go to Superpages.com, put in a name like “Brown” or “Kraft” then a city of that representative.
Pick a name, get a street, a zip and a phone number.
Sometimes when I call, they say, “you’re calling from Florida”?
I say, “yes, I am. I’m visiting family. I can’t even go on vacation and you guys are trying to grab our liberties forever and I’m so angry.” Then I give them a name and some form of a phone number in their area.
I figure, this is stinkin war and I WANT TO WIN !!!
“Seriously, folks! Anyone not seeing this coming is an idiot. It is going to pass in some form or another, only to be *adjusted* at a later time. And there will not be any large scale reaction to them passing ObamaCare. And Obamas poll numbers will fly through the roof.”
And I’m going to win Powerball and Mega Millions!
thank you...and plz check your FReep mail.
“Firedoglake, a VERY liberal site, has a good running whip count.” It still shows them more than a dozen short, even with Clayburn’s latest additions.”
Great news, thank you for the info.
Amy I sure? Nope. I really have no idea, personally. But, Firedoglake is a liberal site, and it's also well respected in the conservative community as a site that gets its facts right, although it gets its opinions wrong. My guess is if the vote was closer, that site would reflect it.
I suspect that some of the stories out there showing a trend towards passing this bill are attempting to suppress the opposition with deflating news. It's political psy-ops.
Having said that, whatever the actual number is, it's close. And, when they do bring this to the floor, some people who said they were against will flip - they always do. Whip counts before the vote almost always underestimate the actual vote, by at least a vote or two, FWIW.
Disappointed, but not surprised. These men demonstrate that politicians, as a whole, are hollow men. They are not people of moral character nor courage. In the beginning of this country, politicians and stooges for the monarchy were tared and feathered. I wonder if these hollow men would not benefit from a revival of this practice?
Remember the Veto. Until Obama is unseated in '12, nothing is getting repealed.
ABC is pumping air for BOcare and so is FOX. Pelosi ain’t even got 200 votes yet.
The NOs have 214 already if people stick to their position (216 would kill the bill) The Hill newspaper has the best count IMHO.
178 GOP + 36 RATS = 214 NO votes
The ones I would be most concerned about are the ones who originally voted no because it wasn’t left-wing enough. I wouldn’t count on Stupak either, since he and his bunch are basically leftists who happen to be opposed to abortion.
If the Democrats do pass this POS, many Americans will wake up. I have democrat friends who are upset with this bill and they aren’t Liberal...This will be a mess for Democrats..
Every name erased at re-election time.
“I suspect that some of the stories out there showing a trend towards passing this bill are attempting to suppress the opposition with deflating news. It’s political psy-ops.”
Very well put, thank you again for the info.
Baird and Boccieri are switches.
Astroturfing is Obama and Axelrod’s speciality .
“They still need a dozen, perhaps a few more.”
And they are pulling out all the stops to get them. The democrat leadership has staked their very existence on passing a socialist takeover of the health care industry. They are close enough to closing the deal they can smell it. And they don’t have to sway one single Republican. This squabble is all inside the family.
No, they don’t have the votes to pass this monstrosity. Today. But the vote isn’t today.
They will do anything to get to 216 or 217. It will pass.
That which supports ObamaCare will be sterilized and there are no exceptions.
Folks, we all need to understand that we no longer live in a representative democratic republic. This malignant government has been allowed to grow so powerful and so wealthy for so long, that they have now successfully created a protected political ruling class, and BOTH the Dems and the GOP are part of this superclass. They’re not going to give it up.
It doesn’t matter if some of the Dems get voted out in November after they pass Obamacare. They’ll take one for the team and they’ll be rewarded with safe positions in the government bureaucracy.
Our vote no longer really matters. This will not be repealed once enacted. We’re watching the literal destruction of our nation and our own enslavement unfold before our very eyes.
Will they be going to his office tomorrow? His political career will crash if he votes yes...and where are they meeting, at his office and which one?
That’s what the French (1788) and Russian (1914) aristocracies thought they had accomplished too. Where are they?
They went down the toilet..
I don't know when Clyburn said he had 4 "new" Yes votes (no source link in this thread), but we already knew Altmire and Gordon were Yes votes, so if Clyburn is correct, that's only +2 Yes.
In the meantime, according to NRCC, the number of No votes has increased +2 to 204 No, 188 Yes. If Clyburn is correct and we add his 2 (not 4) new Yes votes. that would be 204 No, 190 Yes, 37 Undecided.
None of these sources are 100% certain, of course.
The Hill is not reporting them as changed yet. What is the source?
WHIP COUNT: House Democrats’ positions on the healthcare reform bill
By The Hill staff - 03/15/10 02:16 PM ET
I used to just use mny cell but then some staffers got snotty saying they knew I was not a voter in the district.
YOu got ahead of them!!
And PaMom keeps a city and zip in the rep
s district handy.
WE are awesome!
“...they have now successfully created a protected political ruling class, and BOTH the Dems and the GOP are part of this superclass. Theyre not going to give it up.”
And the state-run media is part and parcel of same.
And that’s why they all crucify Sarah Palin every chance they get. There is no way they will allow her to upset their apple cart.
They didn’t change their minds. They knew all along they would vote for it. They just held out for a bigger bribe.
I Just got thru the Capitol Hill switchboard with ease, which means that we are not lighting up the phones.
Please beg friends and family to call.
With so many “Undecided” at this point, odds are most will vote YES. We are seeing the fall of America right before our eyes....harder to have hope today.
Obama: "I'm going to keep coming back until you lose or vote yes."
Nice work...25 out of 37 tells me that this is a done deal knowing the way the Dems operate. It’s over.
Back to the unemployment line for every one of them.
If only 1/3 of the Undecideds vote No it will be close. If the Dems get more than 2/3 it will pass.
Well, they didn't just give up their privilege willingly, now did they? I just don't see how this government can be changed or corrected in any meaningful way by voting. It's not going to happen.
We have very dark, horrible days ahead of us.
“I don’t know when Clyburn said he had 4 “new” Yes votes (no source link in this thread), but we already knew Altmire and Gordon were Yes votes, so if Clyburn is correct, that’s only +2 Yes. “
Could it be..........dare I say it...........that Clyburn lied??
Yep, Republican weakness has brought us to this day. Remember, less than 2 months ago the GOP invited Obama, of all people, to speak at their retreat. The GOP are the Great Democrat Enablers. Being born with a silver spoon in your mouth makes one really good at such a thing.
Isn’t CLYBURN the HouseNIC? How else do you keep them down on the Dem. Plantation unless you have one?
How many of these “yes” votes are really just to get the arm twisting to stop and to get this to a floor vote so that it can be killed? How many are saying yes and will switch to no at the time of the vote? Pelosi will not bring this to the floor until she thinks that she has the votes to pass, so people should not panic when that time comes.
Altmiers short video from Fox News Sunday....said he wanted to see what was in the recociliation...and that is choice is to pass it or do nothing at all.
Maybe Pelosi got mad at him for what he said yesterday about not having all the votes. They have been using that clip all day.
I hope you’re right but I tend to think the “Undecideds” are the ones holding out for a bigger bribe or waiting to see if the ‘rats need their NO vote.
Q: Dont abortion opponents have other concerns about the bill?
A: A major one has to do with $11 billion that Obama wants to pump into community health centers serving low-income people and the uninsured.
As the bill is currently written, those funds are not explicitly covered by the Hyde amendment.
White House health overhaul spokeswoman Linda Douglass says Obama is willing to clarify the language.
(So $10 billion is going to Vermont for community health centers. Does this mean American taxpayers will be funding abortions ONLY in Vermont?)