Skip to comments.Clyburn reports four Congressional 'No' votes convert to 'Yes'
Posted on 03/15/2010 10:45:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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The Archdiocese of Chicago has Stupak scheduled as their speaker for the prayer-breakfast at the end of April. If he flips to YES, he better not show his face, and the invitation had better be rescinded. Stupak whines about arm-twisting. Well, his guys need to stop picking up the phone calls from Dem leadership and Obama, and say NO to any face to face meetings. Their is NO middle ground on the issue of abortion, so their is no compromise.
The public option is back in...
They are going for the House bill in reconciliation, it appears so.
The staffers say she is “undecided” and that the calls are running 50/50 on the health care issue.
I do not believe either statement is true.
Go to NRO - The Corner.
Stupak is not flipping; in fact, he has an invitation to contact other Blue Dogs to vote NO.
Everyone should check this out.
I think 204 No, 190 Yes, 37 Undecided is more likely. That's pretty close to your estimate.
If true, that is to get the far Left on board, but Nancy will throw them under the bus in a day or two.
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Sending out another round of blast emails to my congressmen.
Hello ODH...this is disappointing for me since I have phoned so many times Altmiers office over these past weeks...all day today the lines have all been busy. I posted his brief comments from FoX News Sunday here. But he is a democrate so it shoulnd’t be a surprise.
I understand tea party people are on him now...I will go with them to his office once I find out which one.
What a fight this is! I feel like I am fighting the forces of darkness!...because We are!
Here is a complete list of Roman Catholic Democrats who should be OUTRAGED at the mandated Taxpayer funded abortion on demand which is in the Senate Bill.
*—voted for Stupak amendament in November
(Y)—voted yes in November
(N)—voted no in November
Firm Yes (2) [We’ll see how ‘firm’ that yes vote is if one is staring down the barrel of an official PUBLIC Papal Excommunication.]
Dale Kildee (Mich.)* (Y) Not one of Stupak’s dozen.
Silvestre Reyes (Texas)* (Y) Intelligence panel Chairman and member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
Leaning Yes (1)
Gerry Connolly (Va.) (Y)If he votes no, bill will not pass.
UNDECIDED (35) That’s right, there are 35 undecided Roman Catholic Democrats in the House.
Jason Altmire (Pa.)* (N)Many view Altmire as key to passage. He said on Fox News he has an ‘open mind.’ Voted no in committe and on floor.
Joe Baca (Calif.)* (Y) Must have for Pelosi and a memeber of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
Tim Bishop (N.Y.)(Y) Must have vote for Pelosi.
John Boccieri (Ohio)* (N) GOP target.
Michael Capuano (N.Y.??)(Y) Wanted to be a Senator. Does not trust the Senate.
Dennis Cardoza (Calif.)* (Y)Secured language for district before last year’s vote and a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
Chris Carney (Pa.)* (Y) A ‘no’ vote would be a setback for Pelosi.
Jim Costa (Calif.)* (Y) Secured project for district before November vote and a menber of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
Jerry Costello (Ill.)* (Y) Was a late Yes in the fall. Proponent of Stupak language.
Joe Courtney (Conn.) (Y) Wary of excise Tax.
Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.)* (Y) GOP target. Strong backer of Stupak amendment.
Mike Doyle (Pa.)* (Y) Must have vote for Pelosi.
Brad Ellsworth (Ind.)* (Y) Senate hopeful who is a big supporter of Stupak language.
Raul Grijalva (Ariz.) (Y) Member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
John Hall (N.Y.)(Y) Must have vote for Pelosi.
Paul Kanjorski (Pa.)* (Y) GOP target.
Marcy Kaptur (Ohio)* (Y) Wants Stupak language.
Mary Jo Kilroy (Ohio) (Y) In toss-up race this November.
Ann Kirkpatrick (Ariz.) (Y) GOP target.
Jim Langevin (R.I)* (Y) Stupak amendment supporter.
Dan Maffei (N.Y.) (Y) Former Ways and Means aide is seen as gettable.
Betsy Markey (Colo.) (N) Was a late no last time.
Jerry McNerney (Calif.)(Y) Waiting for final language.
Mike Michaud (Maine)* (Y) GOP target.
Harry Mitchell (Ariz.) (Y) GOP target.
Richard Neal (Mass.)* (Y) fan of Stupak language.
Jim Oberstar (Minn.)* (Y) Wants Stupak language.
David Obey (Wis.)* (Y) Waiting to review bill language.
Tom Perriello (Va.)* (Y) In toss-up race this fall.
Ciro Rodriguez (Texas)* (Y) Member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
Tim Ryan (Ohio)* (Y) Opposed abortion rights; voted for Stupak language.
John Salazar (Colo.)* (Y) Member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
Loretta Sanchez (Calif.) (Y) Was a late yes vote in November.
Paul Tonko (N.Y.) (Y) Waiting for CBO scoring.
Charlie Wilson (Ohio)* (Y) Big proponent of Stupak language.
Make sure to remind them that this is a vote for ETERNITY.
No they didn’t and they lost their heads. This government has been asking for it for a while but has aggravated forces much greater than themselves that can destroy them with rediculous ease. What is going to be displayed is more horrible than anything man can do.
I noticed the change in 1972-73 after Nixion beat McGovern, the demo handlers were asked if they would step aside and let others take over, and they said ‘’Oh no we’re remaining in place.’’ That was the real beginning of the progressive/ commie take-over of the demo party, they just waited till the old demo hands you could respect died off. Wake-up people the commies are knocking.
“Back to the unemployment line for every one of them.”
How about that plus face the criminal investigation as well.
May I suggest you take a deep breath. We don’t really know if Clyburn is really telling the truth. It may be just a ploy to make dem no voters think its a done deal so they jump to the yes column.
The big gorilla in the room is the looming mid-term and presidential elections. The only reason any dem is voting no is because it’s pretty clear that they won’t be going back to public trough in Washington if they vote yes.
Being bribed with pork will not do anything for the principled (sarc) pols as far as being reelected. Of course they might still be persuaded to vote yes if they’ve been naughty sometime in the past.
I would hope that some pubbie has the courage to out any yes voter who could have been coerced to vote yes because of a sordid past. Surely pubbies, like the demrats, do character assassination investigations.
Read Jeremiah 23:1-4
I didn't say he was lying. I was just saying that Altmire and Gordon voting Yes is not news.
So are you saying you expect an open, violent popular rebellion against the federal government? Armed revolution to depose the ruling political class? That's the "dark, horrible days" I fear lie ahead for us.
If it is $,that info will come out. Otherwise, threats of harm, etc. against family members or self won’t ever be known.
Have tried for the last hour+ to get faxes through to Altmire, Boccieri and Bart Gordon - no dice.
Also called all three, and the lines were busy, except for Altmire but the staff didn’t pick up and let it go to voicemail (twice), and the mailbox was FULL, and couldn’t take my message.
Finally got through to one of Bart Gordon’s staffers and gave him a piece of my mind.
Methinks they are getting an earful...whether they listen to the will of the American people, only God knows.
It is a distinct possibility but I see a collection of misfortunes striking at the same time (aka Murphy’s Law) or like the way the blizzards hit one after the other which will simply overwhelm these woefully unprepared people and make their position in life completely untenable.
The only way for washington to listen to the people is to march on washington and i mean millions upon millions!!!
WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THIS HEALTH CARE BILL!!!
Now that they are going for only 50 votes in the Senate, they can ignore certain moderates.
Beware of the trolls, just saying
They went to his Washington DC office last week and got an audience with him. They are protesting at his local office this week.
All you know is that is involves OUR money. Liberals never “play” with their own money.
Hannity says Altmire’s office called and said he hasn’t made up his mind.
The American populace has a penchant for blood lust whenever someone flips them the bird, and tells them to FOAD.
I truly believe the Dem/RINO Leftist bastards up for election this year will all be tossed quite unceremoniously in November, and anything they do prior will be scuttled.
What they are doing is after all illegal, and will not stand.
It can be but probably won't be until there is a change in the White House. Obama will veto any attempt to repeal so we'd need 67 votes in the Senate and 2/3rds vote in the House to override.
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
"Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
And to that we can add...
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD." -- Jeremiah 23:23-24 "...there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known." -- Matthew 10:26
"Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD." -- Jeremiah 23:23-24
"...there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known." -- Matthew 10:26
Republicans can easily destroy the “health care reform” bill right now; if they will but repeatedly and emphatically declare:
IT WILL KILL OUR STRUGGLING ECONOMY.
If every prominent Republican who attends a presser or gives an interview emphasizes that one crystallized point; the political pressure and citizenry push-back against wavering Democrats in the House will be enormous and irresistible.
ECONOMY KILLER equals JOBS KILLER. And the case can easily and succinctly be made that this new, massively unfunded entitlement will require massive new taxes while hobbling the medical industry. That’s obviously an economy killer. As unpopular as this piece of crap bill is, it can immediately be made much more so with simple clarion emphasis regarding its destructiveness to the American economy.
The American people already hate what the bill stands for (the rotten substance of the bill) as well as they hate the corrupt process that has produced it. Now it needs to be branded into the national psyche that the bill will obviously cause long-term, personal financial harm for everyone. - If Republicans will simply apply massive pressure to this one point (using the new CBO numbers on the “reconciliation / fix it” bill as a new cause for alarm), that would end the ball game. There is no way Pelosi can secure wavering votes in the House if the Republicans concentrate primarily on driving home the message that this bill is toxic to our ailing economy.
“If the Health Care Takeover Bill becomes law, it will make our bad recession much worse.”
Indeed, Conservatives need to run on a platform of "THIS WILL NOT STAND!"
Bobo "doubled-down"? I'll cover that bet and triple-down - a promise to revoke the Bobo bill in its entirety in 2011.
Thanks Doc! :0)
But it can get un-funded.
Baird is retiring - he clearly does NOT care about the wishes of the American people, nor his own constituents.
“Actually, if I were a Rat looking for cover, I would tell everyone I was voting yes but then vote no.”
Good point. I don’t see how anyone, and I mean anyone, can have accurate counts right now. Besides, what does it matter, if they are short they’ll just SLAUGHTER, from all we hear.
The whole sick, sordid, socialist affair.
“Clyburn reports four Congressional ‘No’ votes convert to ‘Yes’”
Imagine the news cycle spinning going on RIGHT NOW - at least through the end of this week.
“And Obamas poll numbers will fly through the roof.”
You’ve got to be kidding...heavy majorities against these bills. They are saber rattling how they’re going to pass this bill without an actual vote (completely unConstitutional and totally unprecendented).
How do you go from that, to MAO-bama getting a huge poll bump?
Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.
KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE
Code Red - House Target List on Health Care
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obamas announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the fixer bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)
On the Bubble (Major developments from the yes and no columns in the House)
Congressional Dems on Twitter
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.
At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote yes for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.
When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senators answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!
We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!
1-800-828-0498 , 1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351
“Why release names that will then be subject to further pressure? That sort of rings false to me.”
[spinning, arm twisting, corrupting the Constitution, the process, the media - it’s all part of their sick game of self justified situational ethics writ large.]
“If this thing goes the House of Representatives should have its name changed to the ‘Best Little Whorehouse in D.C.’.”
Oh, it’s not already known as that?
“They got special deals. Unlike the Louisiana Purchase and the Nebraska kickback, we won’t know the content of these offers.”
BasTURDS and criminals - every last RAT should be outta DC on a rail - tar and feather ‘em...I’ve had enough!
“This needs to be the very loud response by Republicans.”
Where are the Pubbies right now, with this whole SLAUGHTER thing imminent? They need to RAMP it up NOW in the media.
“Bart Gordons staff is not answering the phones. They must be getting an ear full.”
Where’s James O’Keefe? basTURDS - who do they work for? Their bosses are PISSED OFF and we’re not taking excuses...you’d best answer your phone, or we’re gunna FIRE YOUR A$$.
Conversely - we need 13 of the uncommitted 37.
But what happens if they SLAUGHTER?
How will we respond?
What should we do?
We must do SOMETHING about that horrible specter.