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Hawaii considers ban on requests for Obama's birth certificate
London Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | March 16, 2010

Posted on 03/17/2010 7:56:05 AM PDT by Schnucki

Hawaii may start ignoring repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born on the islands.

Repeated requests to see President Barack Obama's birth certificate may fall on deaf ears after the House Judiciary Committee heard a bill permitting government officials to ignore people who won't give up.

So-called "birthers" claim Mr Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president.

"Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy," said Lorrin Kim, from the Hawaii Department of Health.

Under Hawaii state law, the release of a birth certificate is prohibited for people who do not have a tangible interest.

Hawaii Health Director Dr Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she had seen vital records that prove Mr Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

Mr Obama was born to a Kenyan father and an American mother.

But the state still gets between 10 and 20 emails seeking verification of Obama's birth each week, most of them from outside Hawaii.

Both Dr Fukino and the state registrar of vital statistics have verified that the Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Republican Cynthia Thielen said: "Do we really want to be known internationally as the legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born?

"When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, 'We're now going to draw down a veil of secrecy."'

Nobody at the hearing questioned the fact that the president was born in Hawaii.

If the measure is passed, the state Office of Information Practices could declare an individual a "vexatious requester" and

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: artbell; awgeez; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; conspiracy; coverup; obama; tinfoilhat; transparency
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1 posted on 03/17/2010 7:56:06 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

No, we are only, very reasonably and politely, asking to see the original real paper BC ...

Not some online scan.

Why why why does this make us nuts or unreasonable conspiracy theorists???

Aren’t we just realists?

J McCain let everyone hold his paper BC in their hands,

why not Obama?

Why not?

What is he hiding?

Why will no reporter even ask him?

Why?


2 posted on 03/17/2010 7:58:55 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Schnucki
Hawaii Health Director Dr Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she had seen vital records that prove Mr Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

Lying journalist. The statements said no such thing.

3 posted on 03/17/2010 7:59:45 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Schnucki

Amazing that no one thought to apply the same standard in Alaska when Sarah Palin was being bombarded by frivolous “ethics violation” charges.


4 posted on 03/17/2010 8:00:33 AM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: Schnucki
"Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy," said Lorrin Kim, from the Hawaii Department of Health.

Sometimes a couple million dollars in taxpayer money to hide a $10 certificate is evidence of a conspiracy.

5 posted on 03/17/2010 8:00:42 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Schnucki

Why should the state of Hawaii protect 0bama? I have doubts about whether he actually was born there, but the state should not be stonewalling on producing an actual long form birth certificate. If a legitimate one exits, produce it.


6 posted on 03/17/2010 8:02:05 AM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

How can he be a natural born citizen with, as the article describes, he has a KENYAN father, and an American mother?

He IS INELIGIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 03/17/2010 8:03:35 AM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Schnucki

Maybe Hawaii can be the first state to be kicked out of the Union... Last in first out...


8 posted on 03/17/2010 8:04:59 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Under Hawaii state law, the release of a birth certificate is prohibited for people who do not have a tangible interest.

In what universe does ensuring that the president of the Unite States is a natural born citizen NOT a tangible interest?

9 posted on 03/17/2010 8:05:22 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Truth - Reality through the eyes of God.)
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To: bgill
Sometimes a couple million dollars in taxpayer money to hide a $10 certificate is evidence of a conspiracy.

Obama's advantage here is that we really don't know what he is hiding in this conspiracy. We know he's evil, anti-American, and a compulsive liar. What we don't know is whether he has a valid Hawaiian birth certificate and what it says if one exists. He might be hiding a non-citizen parent, his mother's marital status, or any of a number of other issues. Whatever he's afraid of, he thinks he gets enough mileage out of portraying his doubters as extreme or out of touch to outweigh the very limited damage that the cover up does with 90% of the media on the socialist's side.

10 posted on 03/17/2010 8:06:44 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Schnucki

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


11 posted on 03/17/2010 8:06:56 AM PDT by Dryman
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To: Schnucki

We don’t need it !

His father (choke) wasn’t an American.

b4 he runs in 2012 he has to prove his NBC.


12 posted on 03/17/2010 8:07:20 AM PDT by devistate one four (If you can't feed it, don't breed it! Kimber CDP II .45 OOHRAH! TET68)
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To: Schnucki
Hawaii Health Director Dr Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she had seen vital records that prove Mr Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

1) She just made it a public issue by issuing a public statement.

2) Records with an "s" means there's more than just the one vault copy. IOW, there have been changes/amendments. What suddenly needed to be amended in '07?

3) Where in the Constitution does it say "natural-born American citizen? That must be a new animal because all I recall is native, naturalized, and natural born citizen.

4) She is not following HI rules and laws regarding this issue.

5) How many taxpayers' dollars is HI wasting in the cover up?

13 posted on 03/17/2010 8:08:05 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: BCR #226
How can he be a natural born citizen with, as the article describes, he has a KENYAN father, and an American mother?

At the time of his birth his father was a British citizen as Kenya was still a colonial possession. Obama recieved British citizenship by virtue of his father's citizenship. Of course, your conclusion is still true - Obama cannot be a natural born citizen of the United States.

14 posted on 03/17/2010 8:09:18 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: BCR #226

AMEN!

I don’t need a supreme court to read it to me.

I can read it for myself.

All of these so called officials are ducking thier resposibility.


15 posted on 03/17/2010 8:09:32 AM PDT by devistate one four (If you can't feed it, don't breed it! Kimber CDP II .45 OOHRAH! TET68)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

They will do ANYTHING but show Obama’s Long Form Birth Certificate.

Very odd behavior if the document is as lame as they claim it is.

We’d see the doctor and hospital of record.

Wonder why that’s a big deal that requires lawyers and new laws?

A brand new law, to help hide, ignore and obfuscate something, that we’re repeatedly told has nothing to hide.


16 posted on 03/17/2010 8:09:47 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Deny the overwhelming number of request to see the cerificate?

How about just granting one request to see it. One request should be all that they needed to recieve.

Show it, and the requests will instantly cease. Sheesh. It’s not rocket surgery.

So indeed what is he hiding? Citizenship? Real parent’s names? Professed religion? No father listed? His listed name? What are the possibilities?


17 posted on 03/17/2010 8:10:20 AM PDT by getitright (If you call this HOPE, can we give despair a shot?)
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To: bgill

Law of nations.

Read it.


18 posted on 03/17/2010 8:11:02 AM PDT by devistate one four (If you can't feed it, don't breed it! Kimber CDP II .45 OOHRAH! TET68)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
J McCain let everyone hold his paper BC in their hands

He did not, he showed it privately to one reporter.

19 posted on 03/17/2010 8:11:13 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Schnucki

If the legislature passes this law, I will be stongly inclined to make an e-mail request myself. Does anybody know the e-mail address?


20 posted on 03/17/2010 8:11:18 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: RebelTXRose
Maybe Hawaii can be the first state to be kicked out of the Union... Last in first out...

That would be Biblical.

21 posted on 03/17/2010 8:11:53 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Schnucki
Interesting, the UK left this out of the article, which is in the article published at Yahoo .

Attorney Peter Fritz asked why the state would pass a law punishing repetitive requests for open records. Instead, the state could simply say it would only answer each person's question once.,

22 posted on 03/17/2010 8:13:09 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Schnucki

I am NOT a birther, but it would be freaking hilarious if they got 10s or 100s of thousands of requests because of the proposed law.


23 posted on 03/17/2010 8:17:14 AM PDT by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: Schnucki
Hawaii + consider
24 posted on 03/17/2010 8:17:52 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Schnucki

So they would rather ban requests than send out just one copy? Odd, isn’t it?


25 posted on 03/17/2010 8:19:48 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Schnucki
We need to get the email address/phone number or whatever and publish it far and wide.

They think they are swamped with requests now, just wait.

26 posted on 03/17/2010 8:20:13 AM PDT by Envisioning (Proud "Right Wing Extremist" per the DHS.......)
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To: Pollster1
He might be hiding a non-citizen parent, his mother's marital status, or any of a number of other issues.

The entire world knows he had a non-citizen parent.

The entire world knows Sr. was a bigamist. Any marriage after the first isn't worth a plug nickel.

Any number of other issues have been out on the world wide web for years - parents never married, Malcolm X or Davis or grandpa or some other dude is pops, some bar floozy is mama, holds at least 4 citizenships, not born in HI or the US, no doctor or hospital, delayed bc, maybe he's female or he's an alien from the planet Zolon. Embarrassment doesn't come into play because nothing can be worse than your mother's porn pics all over the web. It has to do with a personal cover up and I suspect it's the citizenship.

27 posted on 03/17/2010 8:25:28 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Schnucki
Hawaii may start ignoring repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born on the islands.

Haven't they been doing this already? If not, wouldn't we have seen the long form by now?

28 posted on 03/17/2010 8:36:25 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Barack Obama is Osama bin Laden's relief pitcher.)
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To: Schnucki
How many times do people have to have this hammered into their ninnyhammer heads?

There is NO birth certificate.

Obama wasn't born. He is a gift to the world by the prophet and pervert Mohamed.

29 posted on 03/17/2010 8:39:34 AM PDT by IbJensen ((Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: marstegreg

It is practically criminal that they would change the law affecting everyone who has vital records on file, just because of requests related to one person who is a public figure. It gives the state the ability to arbitrarily deny information the public. The ACLU needs to get involved.


30 posted on 03/17/2010 8:41:11 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Schnucki; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
What's the problem with the request for Obama's?

Does Barack think he's bigger than the Beatles?!!


31 posted on 03/17/2010 8:49:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: edge919

I think the chances of the ACLU doing anything against Obama are slim and none. Otherwise, they would have done it already.


32 posted on 03/17/2010 8:50:29 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: bgill

Was he adopted by Stanley’s second husband?

Did he apply for college as an Indonesian?

Lingering questions.

Just as John Kerry never released his military records to his critics.


33 posted on 03/17/2010 8:50:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: marstegreg

This isn’t a matter of doing anything against Obama, but responding to Hawaii’s attempt to irrationally limit public access to information.


34 posted on 03/17/2010 8:52:02 AM PDT by edge919
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To: jrestrepo
I am NOT a birther, but it would be freaking hilarious if they got 10s or 100s of thousands of requests because of the proposed law.

You just KNOW that Ringo Starrkey had to be swamped with requests for autographs by mail when he put a moratorium date on such requests.

35 posted on 03/17/2010 8:52:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: getitright

Frank Marshall Davis as dear old dad?


36 posted on 03/17/2010 8:53:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: getitright
How about just granting one request to see it. One request should be all that they needed to recieve.

The same could be said of all of the lawsuit activity to release the long form BC. Judges say "it's already out there". Then enter it as evidence in the court. Judges lie and they know they do.

37 posted on 03/17/2010 8:54:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: Schnucki
I was contemplating a trip to Hawaii for a significant upcoming wedding anniversary. There seem to be some nice islands south of Florida.

Hit 'em where it hurts. Las Vegas didn't like O's stand.

38 posted on 03/17/2010 8:56:20 AM PDT by AJ504 (The Constitution was NOT written on an Etch-A-Sketch!)
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To: devistate one four

Have any of the states pushed through a measure yet requiring birth certificate proof to get on the ballot in 2012 for the White House?

Has Barack Obama ever run for re-election for any of the offices he’s held?

Has anyone checked the recently released CSPAN archives for the televised debate with Alan Keyes? Reportedly (although even Keyes says he does not recall the exchange) there is a bit in the unedited full tape where Obama states that his birth origin is not of issue because he was not running for the Presidency (Senate run). Did it happen? Will the clip be lost to time?


39 posted on 03/17/2010 8:58:26 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: Pollster1

Obama claimed to be a lifelong Christian as well (on his website in the “fight the smears” section.

He never has produced a baptism certificate nor has he bothered to mark any of the traditional Christian holy days.


40 posted on 03/17/2010 9:00:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: 84rules

Am I the only one that is totally freaking out watching this happen in our country.. It is like things are slipping away. Its almost as if something evil is controling people to cover for Obama, my thoughts are coming true that this man may be the Antichrist, his stance on Isreal is one that is proving me correct...


41 posted on 03/17/2010 9:02:33 AM PDT by crazydad (What)
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To: a fool in paradise

Obama: “My Muslim Faith”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw


42 posted on 03/17/2010 9:02:59 AM PDT by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: edge919

I just don’t see them challenging anything that involves Obama. They haven’t done it yet, and this Hawaii business has been going on for years. I, too, believe it is unconstitutional, but I still think they will turn their backs on this.


43 posted on 03/17/2010 9:03:26 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: a fool in paradise

No his mother is really Rosemary. He is the son of the Devil. I am not joking this man is scary...


44 posted on 03/17/2010 9:03:56 AM PDT by crazydad (What)
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To: marstegreg

I agree up to a point. When states start changing their laws like this, it’s going to be very hard for the ACLU to ignore.


45 posted on 03/17/2010 9:06:32 AM PDT by edge919
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To: crazydad
Speaking of Rosemary's Baby, these people always remind me of the coven from RB...


46 posted on 03/17/2010 9:07:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: Schnucki
"Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy," said Lorrin Kim, from the Hawaii Department of Health.

Isn't this an admission of sorts?

47 posted on 03/17/2010 9:09:26 AM PDT by Misterioso (To deal with men by force is as impractical as to deal with nature by persuasion. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: a fool in paradise
He never has produced a baptism certificate nor has he bothered to mark any of the traditional Christian holy days.

He doesn't have to. We know he was born to a muslim and his mother married a second muslim who then listed Obama as a muslim in school records in Indonesia. Obama never had any family connection to Christianity until he would have returned to Hawaii at age 10 or 11 ... and even then, we don't know for sure. Obama's strongest connection to Christianity was joining Rev. Wright's church in Chicago, but he only did that to get street credibility with the African-American community. He has no genuine attachment to Christianity. He got flustered by little kids asking about Jesus when he visited a Boys and Girls Club at Christmas. He's a fake.

48 posted on 03/17/2010 9:11:07 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Misterioso

Absolutely. They realize they’ve never authenticated Obama’s alleged COLB and that they’re needlessly hiding the original birth certificate when it could legally be released under the Uniform Information Practices Act.


49 posted on 03/17/2010 9:18:24 AM PDT by edge919
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To: kevinm13
Why should the state of Hawaii protect 0bama?

Why do some states get more in federal money than others?

50 posted on 03/17/2010 9:20:25 AM PDT by ladyjane
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