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Soda: A Sin We Sip Instead of Smoke? (are Coke & Pepsi the new tobacco?)
The New York Times ^ | Feb 16, 2010 | Mark Bittman

Posted on 03/17/2010 12:32:18 PM PDT by presidio9

Is soda the new tobacco?

In their critics’ eyes, producers of sugar-sweetened drinks are acting a lot like the tobacco industry of old: marketing heavily to children, claiming their products are healthy or at worst benign, and lobbying to prevent change. The industry says there are critical differences: in moderate quantities soda isn’t harmful, nor is it addictive.

The problem is that at roughly 50 gallons per person per year, our consumption of soda, not to mention other sugar-sweetened beverages, is far from moderate, and appears to be an important factor in the rise in childhood obesity. This increase is at least partly responsible for a rise in what can no longer be called “adult onset” diabetes — because more and more children are now developing it.

Attention is being paid: Last week, the Obama administration announced a plan to ban candy and sweetened beverages from schools. A campaign against childhood obesity will be led by the first lady, Michelle Obama. And a growing number of public health advocates are pushing for even more aggressive actions, urging that soda be treated like tobacco: with taxes, warning labels and a massive public health marketing campaign, all to discourage consumption.

A tax on soda was one option considered to help pay for health care reform (the Joint Committee on Taxation calculated that a 3-cent tax on each 12-ounce sugared soda would raise $51.6 billion over a decade), and President Obama told Men’s Health magazine last fall that such a tax is “an idea that we should be exploring. There’s no doubt that our kids drink way too much soda.”

But with all the junk food and U.F.O.’s (unidentifiable food-like objects) out there, why soda? Why a tax? And, most important, would it work?

To the beverage industry,

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: coke; foodpolice; liberalfascism; nanny; nannystate; pepsi; pufflist
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I quit drinking five years ago. I wasn't an alcoholic, I had other health issues that made drinking a bad idea. After five years of sobriety, I usually don't even notice that I don't drink anymore, but I am reminded on March 17th in NYC. I don't drink coffee. I don't drink tea. When I occasionally do, I put two packets of sugar in both. I do drink 5-6 cans of Pepsicola every day. I am exactly at the optimum weight and body fat for an adult male in his thirties. I have my blood checked quarterly for my other health problems. My cholesterol is low.

I'd really love for someone other than Mark Bittman or Governor (for today) Patterson to explain to me how taxing me an extra couple of bucks a day is fair or beneficial to me. Luckily, I now live in Westchester. When this takes effect, I will be driving up to Greenwhich to buy ALL of my groceries. They have an A&P and a Stop & Shop right across US1 from each other. I generally don't go to bars anymore, but I will also most likely be ordering a beer, instead of a coke.

1 posted on 03/17/2010 12:32:18 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Well, there is no such thing as second hand soda, so I’m not sure how far the analogy will go.


2 posted on 03/17/2010 12:33:19 PM PDT by Persevero ("Our culture is far better than a retarded Islamic culture." -Geert Wilders)
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To: presidio9
Will there be a soft-drink extortion agreement with Coke and Pepsico like the tobacco extortion agreement?
3 posted on 03/17/2010 12:35:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: presidio9
The HFCS does cause diabetes.

It directly upsets the livers enzyme balance.

So that's a big issue right there.

4 posted on 03/17/2010 12:36:16 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: presidio9

I guess this explains why the commie ‘RATS needed to throw out the ten commandments. The commie piggies have decided that it’s their call which are sins and which are not sins. Typical commie garbage.


5 posted on 03/17/2010 12:36:39 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How much did your congressmen's vote go for? Mine got two bits. Her going price.)
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To: presidio9

Tobacco had money. The politicians couldn’t stand to see a pile of money out there and not go grab it. Now they’ve killed tobacco, they need to find another pile of money to go after. This decade, it’s the turn of soft-drink manufacturers with fast food close behind.

When they’ve been bled dry, what’s next?


6 posted on 03/17/2010 12:37:00 PM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: presidio9

We’ll tax the air,because we’re the taxman.


7 posted on 03/17/2010 12:37:15 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: presidio9

The New Prohibition will outlaw alcohol, tobacco products,trans-fats and sugar for out own good.


8 posted on 03/17/2010 12:37:30 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I don't have a drinking problem, I have a sobriety problem.)
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To: norraad
The HFCS does cause diabetes.It directly upsets the livers enzyme balance.

As does table sugar and fruit juice. They're all bad (in high dosage).
9 posted on 03/17/2010 12:38:33 PM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Persevero

Speaking of second-hand smoke. Anybody living in a city that has outlawed public smoking, or a state that is outlawing transfats (Mass., Md, Vt., Wa...), should be watching this closely. NY & NYC are the cradles of this sort of stupidity, but once liberals see that it can be done elsewhere, they can’t wait to join the party.


10 posted on 03/17/2010 12:38:39 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

The do-gooder is relentless ... and always needs a target.


11 posted on 03/17/2010 12:39:01 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: presidio9

’ Joint Committee on Taxation calculated that a 3-cent tax on each 12-ounce sugared soda would raise $51.6 billion over a decade’

NO

When you tax a luxury item(which is what soda is) consumption of that product will drop thereby offsetting the projected amount believed to be raised.

Another item will appear ,like sweeten tea, and many will substitute.


12 posted on 03/17/2010 12:39:37 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Persevero
Well, there is no such thing as second hand soda

What if it is a pregnant woman drinking the soda?

13 posted on 03/17/2010 12:40:02 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Persevero

but there is second hand fat- most noticable in theatres and airlines.


14 posted on 03/17/2010 12:40:10 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

“What if it is a pregnant woman drinking the soda? “

Aha!


15 posted on 03/17/2010 12:40:25 PM PDT by Persevero ("Our culture is far better than a retarded Islamic culture." -Geert Wilders)
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To: absolootezer0

Oh that fat might make you uncomfortable. But it won’t harm your health.


16 posted on 03/17/2010 12:41:03 PM PDT by Persevero ("Our culture is far better than a retarded Islamic culture." -Geert Wilders)
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To: presidio9

Fast forward thirty years. Imagine that you have switched to diet pepsi to avoid the calories in those 5-6 cans of regular Pepsi. Now, following the logic (if you can call it that) of this latest Nanny State power grab, you should pay less for the diet soda, right? Isn’t the goal to charge more only for soda with that evil sugar?

Anyone who has ever bought soda knows that the price of diet soda is always the same as the price of regular soda, no matter what the price of sugar is doing. So if the price of a six pack of Pepsi goes up to ten bucks so will the price of a six pack of diet Pepsi.

These people need to get a life and leave us alone.


17 posted on 03/17/2010 12:42:30 PM PDT by freespirited (We're not the Party of No. We're the Party of HELL NO!!!)
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To: presidio9

It’s just another way for the government to squeeze more tax dollars out of us. Elitist liberals drink Perrier. I wish busybodies like this liberal Bittman would shut up.


18 posted on 03/17/2010 12:42:33 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: presidio9

This is going to happen (the Fat Tax), as soon as a bunch of Lawyers file a Class Action and gain Billions in compensation for themselves, and every fatass that joins the suit will get a coupon for Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi. Same as Big Tobacco, Big Soda will get their deep pockets attacked...


19 posted on 03/17/2010 12:43:22 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Nanny state ping.


20 posted on 03/17/2010 12:43:47 PM PDT by freespirited (We're not the Party of No. We're the Party of HELL NO!!!)
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To: norraad
The HFCS does cause diabetes. It directly upsets the livers enzyme balance. So that's a big issue right there.

But that's not the stated target of the law of course. Here in NY, corn got so expensive (due to subsidies for ethanol) that Pepsi offered "Pepsi Throwback" (with natural cane sugar) on limited runs last summer, and again at the beginning of the last year. The taste was so superior, that I hoarded it. I wasn't the only run. It disappeared as soon as it appeared on the shelf.

I would be happy to pay more for real sugar soda. They may call it the same thing, but HFCS has a distinct aftertaste that "real" sugar doesn't have. Screw the health issues, I'd PAY the damn tax if I could just buy the soda I grew up drinking.

21 posted on 03/17/2010 12:43:48 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: RobinOfKingston
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. — C. S. Lewis

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22 posted on 03/17/2010 12:44:38 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: WackySam
HFCS is more dangerous in that it increases Grelin (hormone = 'make you hungry, long time, sailor), and decreases &/or reduces the function of Leptin (hormone = "Hey , fatso, your full, stop eating everything that isn't nailed down").
23 posted on 03/17/2010 12:44:44 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: RobinOfKingston
"The do-gooder is relentless ... and always needs a target."

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

~ CS Lewis


24 posted on 03/17/2010 12:45:05 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: presidio9; All
"Patterson to explain to me how taxing me an extra couple of bucks a day is fair or beneficial to me."

Seriesly(heh), its time to boil the tar and pluck the feathers. I'm not kidding anymore!

25 posted on 03/17/2010 12:45:23 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: presidio9
I wasn't the only 'run(new freeper word)either.

We love it here too, I only wish it was bottled in those cool old fashioned Pepsi spiral glass bottles.

That's a childhood dream drinking experience!

26 posted on 03/17/2010 12:47:49 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Persevero
FSP - Fetal Soda Poisoning

Baby emerges with a belch.

27 posted on 03/17/2010 12:48:15 PM PDT by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: WackySam

Every doctor I’ve ever asked has said “You can’t eat your way to diabetes”.


28 posted on 03/17/2010 12:49:01 PM PDT by Terry Mross (We need a "Second Sons of Liberty".)
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To: Persevero

No but second hand sweat will at least give you the heebie jeebies


29 posted on 03/17/2010 12:49:20 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: presidio9

Go to a Kosher or Mexican grocery store. If I’m not mistaken, kosher Coca-Cola is made with real sugar and many Mexican grocery stores carry Coke that is bottled in Mexico where they still use sugar instead of HFCS.


30 posted on 03/17/2010 12:50:00 PM PDT by Juana la Loca
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To: presidio9

oublic health advocates should all have their heads shaved.


31 posted on 03/17/2010 12:51:27 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Question: Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: Persevero

There is second hand soda, but most people are smart enough to not drink it.


32 posted on 03/17/2010 12:51:50 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: ichabod1
"oublic health advocates should all have their heads shaved."

Then tarred and feathered!

33 posted on 03/17/2010 12:52:40 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: RobinOfKingston

he should have a bucket of paint poured over his head.


34 posted on 03/17/2010 12:53:55 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Question: Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: Persevero

Oh you know, the people get fat and put undue pressure on the medical community and it costs us all.

I’ve seen bogus studies lately about all the harm they cause but I don’t believe them, it is just like the cause Du Jour and they will make up the numbers that they need to make up to prove that sodas are killing people and costing the rest of us big bucks.

Pretty soon they’ll be attributing deaths to sodas in obituaries and we’ll find out later that they died in a car accident but they had just finished drinking a soda before they died.


35 posted on 03/17/2010 12:54:01 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

There really isn’t any need for most people to have anything beyond water and hardtack.


36 posted on 03/17/2010 12:54:34 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Question: Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: Persevero

you think spending however many hours crushed into the side of your seat quietly seething, as your blood pressure and stress levels go up won’t harm my health? what if the person next to them is claustraphobic? what about contorting your body into an uncomfortable position for hours?


37 posted on 03/17/2010 12:54:45 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Terry Mross
Don't go to them , they are not doctors, the are drug company shill/whores.

Injesting certain amounts of certain foods and/or synthetic manmade molecules like HFCS will wear out you Islets of Langerhans in your Pancreas.

38 posted on 03/17/2010 12:55:09 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: freespirited

I agree with what you’re saying, but keeping the conversation selfishly on me, I will restate that I defintely do not need to switch to diet soda. On of my health problems is my thyroid. Sometimes I visit my doctor and she actally tells me that I need to try to GAIN some weight. So switching to diet soda would probably be a negative for me health-wise. Personally, I can’t stand the taste of diet soda, but why should I switch to diet soda any? To lend moral support to underpriveldged fat kids everywhere, who are still going to visit McDonald’s more than they should and pay the extra 35 cents tax on thier supersized Big-Mac combo? Who knows, maybe they will substitute a large “choclaty” (TM) “shake” (includes real “dairy”) for the supersized coke. Then they won’t have to pay the tax, right? How is this MY problem?


39 posted on 03/17/2010 12:55:28 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Persevero

That’s the “great” part of socialized medicine, once we all have to pay each other’s medical bills everybody’s bad habits become everybody’s problem.


40 posted on 03/17/2010 12:56:20 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: norraad
HFCS is more dangerous in that it increases Grelin (hormone = 'make you hungry, long time, sailor), and decreases &/or reduces the function of Leptin (hormone = "Hey , fatso, your full, stop eating everything that isn't nailed down").

HFCS, fruit juice, and table sugar have almost an identical Fructose to Glucose ratio and all are equally bad for you (when too much is consumed). In fact a glass of grape juice has 50% more sugars than a Coke does.
41 posted on 03/17/2010 12:57:44 PM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Terry Mross
Every doctor I’ve ever asked has said “You can’t eat your way to diabetes”

Your doctor is ignorant.
42 posted on 03/17/2010 12:58:47 PM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: presidio9

Soda Pop?
Another Beverage Tax?
Didn’t we fight a war and secede from Britain over another beverage tax?


43 posted on 03/17/2010 12:58:47 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (If you're not patriotic, you're nothing !)
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To: presidio9

I agree and I’ve always wondered about the New Coke fiasco, Coke never tasted the same after that I think they just did that so they could substitute the real sugar with the corn sweetenter.

I live near the Mexican border and before Mexico became so anarchic we could buy Real Coke there.

I remember when they used to do the Pepsi/Coke taste tests and I’d tell them no thank you because I liked Coke and I wasn’t going to change my mind. Then they’d challenge me because they said most people couldn’t tell the difference. I told them that not only could I tell the difference but I could tell them whether the Coke came from a 16, 12 or 8 ounce bottle or a can. My brothers made me prove it to them several times.


44 posted on 03/17/2010 12:59:59 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: presidio9
Sometimes I visit my doctor and she actally tells me that I need to try to GAIN some weight.

ever get death threats from overweight people who hate you because you can eat whatever you want and not look like them? :)
45 posted on 03/17/2010 1:03:26 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Will there be a soft-drink extortion agreement with Coke and Pepsico like the tobacco extortion agreement?

Now that SCOTUS has unshacked them for unlimited political message spending, I would hope they just turn Max Headroom loose 24/7 and beat these Democrats into the ground.


46 posted on 03/17/2010 1:03:33 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: norraad
We love it here too, I only wish it was bottled in those cool old fashioned Pepsi spiral glass bottles. That's a childhood dream drinking experience!

This sounds really lame, but when I took that first swig of an ice-cold pepsi throwback last July or August, I felt like I was about eight years old for a moment. It would have been better out of one of those Red-Stripe-shaped 16oz bottles (with the thin styrofoam lables), but even out of a plastic bottle, it was the best tasting soda I've had in 30 years. I can hardly even remember the spiral bottles.

When I was a kid, there was a kid on the block who's dad was a Pepsi executive up in Purchase. I remember they always had the old-fashioned bottles, but they moved when I was about seven.

47 posted on 03/17/2010 1:04:07 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Juana la Loca
Go to a Kosher or Mexican grocery store. If I’m not mistaken, kosher Coca-Cola is made with real sugar and many Mexican grocery stores carry Coke that is bottled in Mexico where they still use sugar instead of HFCS.

Thanks, but I'd rather drink warm flat HFCS Pepsi than the best coke I ever had.

48 posted on 03/17/2010 1:05:57 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/06/06/soft-drinks-disease-in-a-can.aspx


49 posted on 03/17/2010 1:06:20 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: presidio9
I do drink 5-6 cans of Pepsicola every day.

Gezzz...That made honk a burp just thinking about that.

50 posted on 03/17/2010 1:08:56 PM PDT by dragnet2
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