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The GOP health care count: 209 no, 204 yes, 18 undecided
Washington Examiner ^ | Mar. 17, 2010 | Byron York

Posted on 03/17/2010 1:52:54 PM PDT by Al B.

There are two ways to count votes for the Democrats' national health care plan. The first is to tally the lawmakers who are definitely yes or leaning yes. The second is to count the ones who are definitely no and leaning no.

From the Republican side, it's the second group that matters. Just like Democrats need 216 votes to pass the bill, Republicans and their Democratic allies need 216 to stop it. I just got off the phone with a well-placed House GOP source, and the Republicans' latest count is that there are 209 votes against the bill at this moment, leaving opponents seven short of being able to defeat it. By the same count, there are 204 votes for the bill, leaving the Democratic leadership 12 short of being able to pass it. There are 18 votes thought to be undecided.

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Another thing Republicans are doing is keeping tabs on the pressure groups on the left. In particular, GOP staffers are watching the whip count done at the lefty website Firedoglake. (The most recent count there is 205 yes, 209 no, very close to the GOP tally.) Republicans feel it is accurate, particularly in this sense: They believe that no Democratic lawmaker who is definitely planning to vote yes on the bill would want the activists on the left, in this case exemplified by Firedoglake, to believe he or she is still undecided. Why take a beating for nothing?

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; byronyork; gophealthcare; healthcare; obamacare
Bottom of the ninth folks.
1 posted on 03/17/2010 1:52:54 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: Al B.

as Neal Boortz pointed out, there are no “undecideds.”
They WILL vote yes. They are just holding out for more pie.


2 posted on 03/17/2010 1:54:24 PM PDT by a real Sheila (A woman's heart is a deep ocean of secrets ~ (Titanic))
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To: Al B.
"Republicans feel it is accurate, particularly in this sense: They believe that no Democratic lawmaker who is definitely planning to vote yes on the bill would want the activists on the left, in this case exemplified by Firedoglake, to believe he or she is still undecided. Why take a beating for nothing?"

Brinksmanship is a beautiful thing, especially when people do the right thing out of character, out of character...

3 posted on 03/17/2010 1:56:21 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (\)
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To: Al B.

we meed TEN (10) declared no’s

I suspect some of the fence sitters are going to be the excused to vote no.


4 posted on 03/17/2010 1:56:46 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Al B.

If I am going to believe anyone, it is Bryon York — he seems to always have a sense of what is happening through his contacts.

Washington Examiner is by far the best place for news that I know of in the DC area.


5 posted on 03/17/2010 1:57:30 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Rick Perry - TX Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 !)
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To: Al B.

To expand on that a bit...holding a one run lead on the home team, bottom of the ninth, bases loaded.....and here’s the 3-2 pitch.


6 posted on 03/17/2010 1:57:54 PM PDT by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
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To: a real Sheila

Undecided just means that they are holding out for the best deal.


7 posted on 03/17/2010 1:58:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Truth - Reality through the eyes of God.)
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To: longtermmemmory

i think its only 7 .


8 posted on 03/17/2010 1:58:08 PM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: longtermmemmory

With all the knee capping and spines removed by Nancy Pelosi and Obama Congress is going to need top notch health care...


9 posted on 03/17/2010 1:59:34 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: JPG
To expand on that a bit...holding a one run lead on the home team, bottom of the ninth, bases loaded.....and here’s the 3-2 pitch.
American or National League strikezone?
10 posted on 03/17/2010 2:01:20 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Al B.

they will get it..all congressmen have a price...


11 posted on 03/17/2010 2:02:29 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Al B.

7 votes. Biblical number. It would be nice to see the “Cool One” handed his head, but the country is pretty decrepit.


12 posted on 03/17/2010 2:05:05 PM PDT by throwback (o)
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To: throwback
After some thinking...a dangerous thing...
Piglosi is telling the deemocrats that, as dangerous as it is to vote for this turd, it is fatal to vote against it.
For this to fail means that they cannot govern, even with large majorities.
So, to the avg deemocrat, voting against it is certain retirement. Voting for it means possible retirement.
Unless the fence sitters know with CERTAINTY that they will be removed from office, they will "roll the dice and takes they chances".
13 posted on 03/17/2010 2:09:54 PM PDT by TxAg1981
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To: Al B.

The Republicans ought to offer some refuge for Demon-rats who do the right thing. Seriously. The CIA knows sometimes you have to deal with unscrupulous characters to get things done...no different here.

I don’t say we embrace them or anything like that—but offer something.

Plus, the ‘rats ought to know: they’re doing something to protect liberty.


14 posted on 03/17/2010 2:09:56 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: a real Sheila

What pie. There is no pie. Obama and Co are lying to them and they know it.


15 posted on 03/17/2010 2:11:00 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: TxAg1981

What if the press began running “pelosi has the votes” stories...forcing the nazi to think she has it...then the vote happens...and it fails. :)

one can dream, right?


16 posted on 03/17/2010 2:11:06 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: dblshot

Nazi Pelosi is defining the strike zone. We are in trouble.


17 posted on 03/17/2010 2:14:35 PM PDT by BruceS
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To: Recovering_Democrat

She will NOT hold the vote if she’ll lose.

And the speaker of the house will know if she has the votes.


18 posted on 03/17/2010 2:15:45 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: a real Sheila

At this point I’m hoping that the SCOTUS destroys this bill.


19 posted on 03/17/2010 2:16:28 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I agree, and even if it means the GOP does not provide support to a GOP candidate in November against one of them that votes no, then so be it. The “representation” could be a statement like “We know that with our resources spread so thin, we cannot target every race. We would naturally consider voting record on highly visible legislation to be a top campaign issue, and those incumbents who don’t offer us this angle, we will probably have to pass on contesting their seats. On the other hand....”


20 posted on 03/17/2010 2:18:13 PM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: a real Sheila
They WILL vote yes. They are just holding out for more pie.

He's a bigger cynic than I am. And that takes some doing.

21 posted on 03/17/2010 2:18:49 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: jakerobins
Of course, the reason they haven't had a vote yet is because Nancy's "friends" haven't had time to ... um .... "persuade" those pesky holdout Dems to vote in favor -




22 posted on 03/17/2010 2:21:30 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The Republicans ought to offer some refuge for Demon-rats who do the right thing.

Agreed, promise not to campaign on healthcare if they vote no this time, no matter what they did before.

23 posted on 03/17/2010 2:22:15 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: JPG
...and here’s the 3-2 pitch.

"It's bunted down the third base line! The suicide squeeze is on.
Here he comes...squeeze play. It's gonna be close.
Here's the throw...here's the play at the plate!
Holy cow, I think he's gonna make it!"

24 posted on 03/17/2010 2:22:55 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: dalebert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8uCOPbH7I


25 posted on 03/17/2010 2:24:19 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Al B.
Too bad Rep. Dennis K. moved into the pro Obamacare column. I had expected him to oppose it.
26 posted on 03/17/2010 2:25:20 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Al B.
Oh, it is going to pass - legally or extralegally doesn't matter - it IS going to happen... and present company excepted, the population deserves it. Anyone who had hopes that this could be defeated "peacefully" has been holding onto a delusion. The Democrat party has radicalized like Islam: the last moderates are being culled and the most fanatic among them have become the new standard. The ones left standing will be okay with enslaving us or killing us, and you have their own word on that.

I think we will all be surprised when we find out which of the formerly tough-talkers among us will turn "dhimmi."

Mr. niteowl77

27 posted on 03/17/2010 2:27:08 PM PDT by niteowl77 (You wanted him, and now you have got him. I say, "Good day to you," America.)
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To: Al B.

Am I cynical for already giving up? Every time everyone is like “WE ARE SO CLOSE!” “If we can just persuade a few more Democrats to switch!” and then it falls flat on its ass as those dems run back to the party line.


28 posted on 03/17/2010 2:28:47 PM PDT by ScottMerge
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To: All; Al B.

If you are a constituent of one of the 18 undecideds, tell them you want them to be the deciding vote in the House, just like Brown was in MA.

There is a reason Coakley lost in MA. Sen. Scott BROWN said he would be the 41st vote against Obamacare. MA citizens don’t like the govt. health care.

Here’s why (from Cato):

“Health-care costs continue to rise much faster in Massachusetts than in the nation as a whole.snip

New regulation and bureaucracy are limiting consumer choice snip

The wait for seeing an internist, for example, has nearly doubled since the reforms were implemented. snip

Let us hope that Congress learns from the failure of the Massachusetts experiment.

more http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10279


29 posted on 03/17/2010 2:40:46 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Al B.

Call and remind all those uncertain that a free nation is a strong nation. Socialism will kill the Country!!!

Don’t let them evade, and ask them to commit to NO, and not be an “Only Yes if necessary” stooge.


30 posted on 03/17/2010 3:14:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Al B.

Note to our legislators, (which you may copy and send)

PLEASE VOTE AGAINST this insane health care bill. It is over 2,400 pages long and I can not in good conscience pay for those who choose to have their pre-born babies killed via abortion.

It flies in the face of my faith and my belief in the significance of our responsibility to PROTECT HUMAN LIFE and liberty. In addition, I do not believe it is constitutional for the Govt. to require anyone to buy public health care. There are MANY PEOPLE WHO CAN’T AFFORD IT and MOST AMERICANS DON’T WANT IT!

Those who support this bill will effectively end their political careers doing so, because it’s being orchestrated using back room and one on one deals, with legislators who have never read it and don’t intend to sign it.

The unconstitutional tactics being used reflect VERY POORLY on this administration and anyone who supports this bill.

PLEASE, stand with the American people by voting AGAINST THIS BILL, for the sake of life and liberty, as well as for the well being of your political career.

KILL THE BILL!


31 posted on 03/17/2010 3:38:07 PM PDT by Freedom Frayed (Nothing is as much a threat to liberals as the truth, and those who speak it!)
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To: Al B.

The fate of the country rests on those 18.


32 posted on 03/17/2010 3:42:05 PM PDT by kamikaze2000
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To: Al B.

This is from a 2007 contact list of congressional aides. Some might not be there any longer, but worth a try.

Contact congressional aides.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1857768/posts

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121
U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111
Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep
Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Toll free to the US Senate:
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)
Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS
Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/

Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
New FLIPPERS
Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,
Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871
Fax (202)225-5745
James Oberstar (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234
Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

On the Bubble (Major developments from the “yes” and “no” columns in the House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts

Congressional Dems on Twitter
http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!

1-800-828-0498 , 1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351


33 posted on 03/17/2010 3:56:42 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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