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Idaho to Sue If Health Care Bill Passes
Cbs News / The Associated Press ^ | March 17, 2010

Posted on 03/17/2010 4:59:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Idaho's governor is the first state chief executive to sign a measure requiring his attorney general to sue the federal government if the U.S. Congress passes health care reform.

Legal experts say the measure, signed by Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter on Wednesday, will likely be struck down. But Idaho's new law reflects growing frustration with President Barack Obama's health-care proposal.

Legislation similar to Idaho's is pending in as many as 37 other states nationwide.

Democrats in the nation's capital are hoping to pass health care reform by this weekend.

The American Legislative Exchange Council created the model legislation for Idaho and other states. The Washington, D.C.-based, nonprofit says Idaho is the first to sign a version into law.

Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter on Wednesday became the first state chief executive to sign a measure requiring his attorney general to sue Congress if it passes health reforms that force residents to buy insurance.

Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states nationwide.

Constitutional law experts say the move is mostly symbolic because federal laws supersede those of the states. But the movement reflects a growing national frustration with President President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; democrats; healthcare; idaho; obama; obamacare; scotus; socialisthealthcare; socializedmedicine; statesrights
We'll see...
1 posted on 03/17/2010 4:59:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; STARWISE
All 37 states need to sue. And there need to be hundreds of lawsuits (in addition to Levin's) challenging the constitutionality of this shameless power grab.

This usurpation of liberty cannot stand.

2 posted on 03/17/2010 5:02:19 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was watching the news here in Minneapolis a few minutes ago. They said Minnesotas Constitution gives them the ability to refuse the obammycare deal.

When you think what this would cost the states I expect a lot of them will try something similar.


3 posted on 03/17/2010 5:03:21 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

AF1 will be flying to Boise late tonight


4 posted on 03/17/2010 5:03:40 PM PDT by hattend (The era of John McCain is over, the era of Ronald Reagan is back! Go Sarah Go!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this bill passes, then some day, maybe, the courts will do something. But I won’t hold my breath.

The problem here is much bigger than socialized medicine. A year ago congress was bailing out the banking industry to the tune of $1 trillion. Then it was bailing out the auto industry. This week it’s socialized medicine. Next week it’ll be cap and tax. This an addiction to power and spending fueled by ever increasing debt. The demand isn’t going to abate until there is simply no more money to be spent.

Demand based solutions aren’t going to work. No junkie comes clean unless he/she has to. We need to start looking at supply side solutions. We need to cut the supply of money. The irony here is that conservatives are enabling the socialism.

Own savings bonds? T-bills? GNMAs? Are they the underlying investment in your money market account or 401(k)? If the answer is yes, then you’re subsidizing this just as surely as if you had scratched a check.

But what about the national debt? The ability to fund all this is tied to the ability to borrow. What if conservatives simply pushed for a polcy of repudiating the national debt, or more specifically that portion entered into since January 2009?


5 posted on 03/17/2010 5:04:32 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Somebody needs to remind the author of the original article that federal laws only supersede state laws in those particular areas where the Constitution grants the federal government the power to act. In all other areas, it is state law that is supreme, because, as the 10th Amendment expressly says, the states each retain all of the plenary powers of sovereignity that weren't expressly ceded to the federal government under the Constitution.


6 posted on 03/17/2010 5:09:15 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Constitutional law experts say the move is mostly symbolic because federal laws supersede those of the states.

Not if the powers are reseved to the states.

7 posted on 03/17/2010 5:12:05 PM PDT by cookcounty (Let us not speak of the honor of men. Rather, let us bind them with the Constitution. --Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Constitutional law experts say the move is mostly symbolic because federal laws supersede those of the states.”

I’m really tired of these “Constitutional Law experts” making this claim. I want the “Constitutional Law experts” to show us where in the Constitution does it claim that health insurance is a guaranteed right?

8 posted on 03/17/2010 5:12:24 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL! RINO Gov. Charlie Crist in FL could not be reached at his tanning bed to comment if FL will do jack sh*t.


9 posted on 03/17/2010 5:17:07 PM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: tobyhill

Agreed, healthcare is not a guaranteed, it is individual responsibility not the government to take care of yourself.


10 posted on 03/17/2010 5:18:30 PM PDT by Santa Fe_Conservative (No one deserves free healthcare)
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To: Frantzie

No, he was at the Green Iguana.


11 posted on 03/17/2010 5:19:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s working it’s way through the Tennessee legislature.

Docs won’t accept Medicare patients, now Walgreens won’t take Medicaid RX’s.

This is from a 2007 contact list of congressional aides. Some might not be there any longer, but worth a try.

Contact congressional aides.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1857768/posts

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121
U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111
Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep
Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Toll free to the US Senate:
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)
Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS
Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/

Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
New FLIPPERS

Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,
Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871
Fax (202)225-5745
James Oberstar (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

On the Bubble (Major developments from the “yes” and “no” columns in the House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts

Congressional Dems on Twitter
http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!

1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351


12 posted on 03/17/2010 5:41:01 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Legal experts say the measure, signed by Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter on Wednesday, will likely be struck down.”

What did you do, CBS? Exhume William Kunstler??


13 posted on 03/17/2010 5:47:54 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: All

37 states will opt out, leaving the dictator with an empty pot.


14 posted on 03/17/2010 5:48:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“No, he was at the Green Iguana.”

Charlie was there drinking a Pink Squirrel.

Pink Squirrel recipe
serve in
Cocktail Glass
alcohol
20%
Scale ingredients to servings
1 oz creme de noyaux
1 tbsp white creme de cacao
1 tbsp light cream

Shake all ingredients with ice, strain into a cocktail glass, and serve.

A “man’s” drink.


15 posted on 03/17/2010 5:59:19 PM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ABC Radio keeps squawking that this is ‘symbolic’ and that ‘federal law supersedes state law’.


16 posted on 03/17/2010 6:02:07 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

37 .... just happens to be the number required to call a constitutional convention.

:)


17 posted on 03/17/2010 6:03:40 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

State governors should unite to form a “class action” law suit against the fed.


18 posted on 03/17/2010 6:12:19 PM PDT by diverteach (D.C. has become Jonestown)
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To: tobyhill
I’m really tired of these “Constitutional Law experts” making this claim. I want the “Constitutional Law experts” to show us where in the Constitution does it claim that health insurance is a guaranteed right? Not only that, I want them to show me where the constitution says that fed laws override state laws.
19 posted on 03/17/2010 6:23:31 PM PDT by calex59
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To: TexasFreeper2009

43 is required to achieve 3/4 of the 57 States


20 posted on 03/17/2010 6:23:49 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So it begins........it may be a COLD CIVIL WAR, but it has been building up for years and now it’s coming to a head, there will be no return to any type of normalcy until it is resolved. Better to swallow the bitter pill now than to wait until it’s too late.


21 posted on 03/17/2010 6:24:32 PM PDT by Bigtigermike (Loose lips sink ships, stay away RINO's)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Additional discussion here:

Idaho first to sign law against health care reform


22 posted on 03/17/2010 6:29:52 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
:Constitutional law experts say the move is mostly symbolic because federal laws supersede those of the states.

What “constitutional experts” are those?
The ones from moveon.org?
Meanwhile, it's not even a federal law, if there is no vote in the House, and Pelosi merely deems it to have been voted upon.

23 posted on 03/17/2010 6:31:15 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Legislation similar to Idaho’s is pending in as many as 37 other states nationwide.”

What about the other 20 states?


24 posted on 03/17/2010 6:50:05 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"37 .... just happens to be the number required to call a constitutional convention."....

Now that's an interesting "factoid" - thanks for cheering me up a bit!!

25 posted on 03/17/2010 6:51:52 PM PDT by 88keys ("conservative Republican" should not be an oxymoron...can we fix it?!)
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To: RKBA Democrat
"What if conservatives simply pushed for a polcy of repudiating the national debt, or more specifically that portion entered into since January 2009?"

I've been an advocate of the Tea Party movement adopting such a platform.

On Notice: When we win, we will REPUDIATE ALL US DEBT incurred since Jan 2009.

The interest on the 10 yr bond would go to 10% overnight...and 12-20% on the 30yr. Even then there would be far to few takers.

Hey world! You're on notice. The PEOPLE of the United States of America WILL NOT HONOR the national debt. We can't, we won't afford it.

26 posted on 03/17/2010 7:29:23 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"or on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, "

Only 34 are needed to call a Convention. Then three quarters or 38 are needed to ratify amendments.

27 posted on 03/17/2010 9:26:38 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Mariner

Yup. I think you’re being a bit conservative on what the interest rate would go up to. James Carville commented famously on the bond markets; we should thank him for his observation :-)

This doesn’t end until the checkbook is ripped from their hands.


28 posted on 03/18/2010 2:24:32 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: 88keys; TexasFreeper2009; 2ndDivisionVet

Last time I checked, we only had 50 states, not the 57 Pres Zero thought we had.

A Constitutional Convention must be called if Congress receives requests from the legislatures of 2/3rds of the States. That means just 34 States submitting a call for the SAME issue although there could be multiple issues as long as each issue has at least 34 calls.

So why wait until November when we take back Congress ? If there are 37 States willing to fight the use of force and penalties on people to buy health insurance, are there at least 34 State Legislatures willing to call for an Amendment to clarify that “the Federal government shall make no law requiring nor penalize any citizen with regard to purchase or failure to purchase any good or service” ?

People have all but forgotten that Article V of the Constitution allows the States to call for a Convention to Amend the Constitution at ANY time expressly so the people don’t have to suffer an oppressive government until the next election cycle. Congress can do it too, but it needs a 2/3rds majority in both Houses, which we may or may not have even after November.

Every time in the past when the calls for a Convention have come close to the 2/3rds magic number, Congress has run scared and proposed the sought after Amendment themselves to prevent the Convention from forming. Because they are *obligated* to call it if there are 2/3rds of the States requesting one, and Congress has no say at all about what the Convention can do.

We are overdue for a Convention. We can finally pass the Balanced Budget Amendment that has been lingering out there since 1983 as well. Possibly another Amendment limiting the TOTAL of all Federal taxes to 20% or less of GDP for the prior year. Possibly another stating that all taxes must be FLAT rated on ALL citizens with no deductions, exemptions, or credits allowed. And another to disallow unfunded mandates on the States — Congress can only pass laws that it can pay for without States having to share the costs. And a line item veto that will pass the SCOTUS by merely allowing the POTUS to refer individual items in a bill back for a 2/3rds reconfirmation vote in the Senate rather than an outright rejection of the line items.

It is true that it takes 3/4ths of the States to RATIFY Amendments, and that means 38, but it looks like we are almost there due to Zero’s overreach.


29 posted on 03/19/2010 3:10:04 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Democrat: Someone who supports killing children, but protests executing convicted murderers.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Civil War is the answer at this point but I’m afraid we wimp out as always and submit to Marxism


30 posted on 03/19/2010 3:18:33 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: diverteach

Citizens should unite to storm DC.
ALL IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE NEED TO BE FIRED ..We need to totally clean house.


31 posted on 03/19/2010 3:20:26 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: sonic109

“Civil War is the answer at this point but I’m afraid we wimp out as always and submit to Marxism”

The only prayers that a civil war would answer are the prayers of underemployed morticians. Sorry, I’m not going there. I just don’t like the idea of lots and lots of dead Americans. And it’s completely unnecessary in any case.


32 posted on 03/19/2010 2:58:15 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: tobyhill
I’m really tired of these “Constitutional Law experts” making this claim. I want the “Constitutional Law experts” to show us where in the Constitution does it claim that health insurance is a guaranteed right?

The phrase "Constitutional Law" is code for "pretending the Constitution means something other than what it says". Obama was a "Constitutional Law" instructor, in precisely that sense.

33 posted on 03/19/2010 3:37:35 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: ohioWfan

And a constitutional amendment after that. Leave no stone unturned in ridding ourselves of this mess!!


34 posted on 03/19/2010 7:57:37 PM PDT by JLLH
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