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BREAKING- The new, NEW bill is online!
The House ^ | 18 March 2010

Posted on 03/18/2010 11:25:38 AM PDT by SE Mom

Have at it!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; healthcare; hillarycare; obamacare; romneycare; socializedmedicine; statism
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Coburn cracks down on flip-floppers

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Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) is already geared up to block nominations for House Democrats who flip flop on their health care votes and eventually end up being nominated for administration positions.

“Be prepared to defend selling your vote in the House,” Coburn said at a news conference with other GOP doctors.

Coburn, who has a history of placing holds, vowed that he would block the nomination process if Democrats who switch from voting “no” to “yes,” lose their elections and then end up getting some kind of federal nomination in the future.

Coburn also had harsh words for the Congressional Budget Office, which released estimates Thursday that the Democrats’ bill would cut the federal deficit reduce the deficit by about $130 billion in the first 10 years and by $1.2 trillion over the second 10 years.

Coburn said the estimates do not take into account increases in physician pay or other factors and are merely part of gaming the American people.

“It’s not only smoke and mirrors, it’s flat out dishonest,” he said.

The group of Republican physicians who joined Coburn at a Thursday morning press conference made a range of apocalyptic predictions about what health care reform would do to the country. Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Tex.) said up to one third of doctors would retire if the health care bill passes.

Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.) said the bill would lead to the rationing of care. Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) called the bill “the largest dive into incremental socialism our country has ever seen.”

Rep. Parker Griffith (R-Ala.), who recently left the Democratic Party, said the nation would not permit a switch to a “two-tiered” health care system.

“This is a system that has worked and worked well,” Griffith said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34635.html#ixzz0iYeaC60E


51 posted on 03/18/2010 11:54:20 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: Diogenesis
Ozymandias

by Percy Bysshe Shelley

I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Obama, king of kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
52 posted on 03/18/2010 11:56:11 AM PDT by jobim
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To: SE Mom

Here’s the breakdown.

DIVISION I—HOUSE COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS: HEALTH
CARE REFORM

SUBDIVISION A—AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE CHOICES
Title I—Protections and Standards for Qualified Health Benefits Plans
Subtitle A—General Standards
Subtitle B—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Affordable Coverage
Subtitle C—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Essential Benefits
Subtitle D—Additional Consumer Protections
Subtitle E—Governance
Subtitle F—Relation to other requirements; Miscellaneous
Subtitle G—Early Investments
Title II—Health Insurance Exchange and Related Provisions
Subtitle A—Health Insurance Exchange
Subtitle B—Public health insurance option
Subtitle C—Individual Affordability Credits
Title III—Shared responsibility
Subtitle A—Individual responsibility
Subtitle B—Employer Responsibility
Title IV—Amendments to Internal Revenue Code of 1986
Subtitle A—Shared responsibility
Subtitle B—Credit for small business employee health coverage expenses
Subtitle C—Disclosures to carry out health insurance exchange subsidies
Subtitle D—Other revenue provisions

SUBDIVISION B—MEDICARE AND MEDICAID IMPROVEMENTS
Title I—Improving Health Care Value
Subtitle A—Provisions related to Medicare part A
Subtitle B—Provisions Related to Part B
Subtitle C—Provisions Related to Medicare Parts A and B
Subtitle D—Medicare Advantage Reforms
Subtitle E—Improvements to Medicare Part D
Subtitle F—Medicare Rural Access Protections
Title II—Medicare Beneficiary Improvements
Subtitle A—Improving and Simplifying Financial Assistance for Low Income
Medicare Beneficiaries
Subtitle B—Reducing Health Disparities
Subtitle C—Miscellaneous Improvements
Title III—Promoting Primary Care, Mental Health Services, and Coordinated
Care
Title IV—Quality
Subtitle A—Comparative Effectiveness Research
Subtitle B—Nursing Home Transparency
Subtitle C—Quality Measurements
Subtitle D—Physician Payments Sunshine Provision
Subtitle E—Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections
Title V—Medicare Graduate Medical Education
Title VI—Program Integrity
Subtitle A—Increased funding to fight waste, fraud, and abuse
Subtitle B—Enhanced penalties for fraud and abuse
Subtitle C—Enhanced Program and Provider Protections
Subtitle D—Access to Information Needed to Prevent Fraud, Waste, and Abuse
Title VII—Medicaid and CHIP
Subtitle A—Medicaid and Health Reform
Subtitle B—Prevention
Subtitle C—Access
Subtitle D—Coverage
Subtitle E—Financing
Subtitle F—Waste, Fraud, and Abuse
Subtitle G—Puerto Rico and the Territories
Subtitle H—Miscellaneous
Title VIII—Revenue-related provisions
Title IX—Miscellaneous Provisions

SUBDIVISION C—PUBLIC HEALTH AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
Title I—Community Health Centers
Title II—Workforce
Subtitle A—Primary care workforce
Subtitle B—Nursing workforce
Subtitle C—Public Health Workforce
Subtitle D—Adapting workforce to evolving health system needs
Title III—Prevention and Wellness
Title IV—Quality and Surveillance
Title V—Other provisions
Subtitle A—Drug discount for rural and other hospitals
Subtitle B—School-Based health clinics
Subtitle C—National medical device registry
Subtitle D—Grants for comprehensive programs To provide education to nurses
and create a pipeline to nursing
Subtitle E—States failing To adhere to certain employment obligations

DIVISION II—HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR:
HEALTH CARE REFORM

SUBDIVISION A—AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE CHOICES
TITLE I—PROTECTIONS AND STANDARDS FOR QUALIFIED
HEALTH BENEFITS PLANS
Subtitle A—General Standards
Subtitle B—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Affordable Coverage
Subtitle C—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Essential Benefits
Subtitle D—Additional Consumer Protections
Subtitle E—Governance
Subtitle F—Relation to Other Requirements; Miscellaneous
Subtitle G—Early Investments
TITLE II—HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE AND RELATED
PROVISIONS
Subtitle A—Health Insurance Exchange
Subtitle B—Public Health Insurance Option
Subtitle C—Individual Affordability Credits
Subtitle D—State Innovation.
TITLE III—SHARED RESPONSIBILITY;
Subtitle A—Individual Responsibility
Subtitle B—Employer Responsibility
TITLE IV—AMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986
Subtitle A—Shared Responsibility
Subtitle B—Credit for Small Business Employee Health Coverage Expenses
Subtitle C—Disclosures To Carry Out Health Insurance Exchange Subsidies
Subtitle D—Other Revenue Provisions

SUBDIVISION B—MEDICARE AND MEDICAID IMPROVEMENTS
TITLE I—IMPROVING HEALTH CARE VALUE
Subtitle A—Provisions Related to Medicare Part A
Subtitle B—Provisions Related to Part B
Subtitle C—Provisions Related to Medicare Parts A and B
Subtitle D—Medicare Advantage Reforms
Subtitle E—Improvements to Medicare Part D
Subtitle F—Medicare Rural Access Protections
TITLE II—MEDICARE BENEFICIARY IMPROVEMENTS
Subtitle A—Improving and Simplifying Financial Assistance for Low Income
Medicare Beneficiaries
Subtitle B—Reducing Health Disparities
Subtitle C—Miscellaneous Improvements
TITLE III—PROMOTING PRIMARY CARE, MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES, AND COORDINATED CARE
TITLE IV—QUALITY
Subtitle A—Comparative Effectiveness Research
Subtitle B—Nursing Home Transparency
Subtitle C—Quality Measurements
Subtitle D—Physician Payments Sunshine Provision
Subtitle E—Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections
TITLE V—MEDICARE GRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION
TITLE VI—PROGRAM INTEGRITY
Subtitle A—Increased Funding To Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse
Subtitle B—Enhanced Penalties for Fraud and Abuse
Subtitle C—Enhanced Program and Provider Protections
Subtitle D—Access to Information Needed To Prevent Fraud, Waste, and
Abuse
TITLE VII—MEDICAID AND CHIP
Subtitle A—Medicaid and Health Reform
Subtitle B—Prevention
Subtitle C—Access
Subtitle D—Coverage
Subtitle E—Financing
Subtitle F—Waste, Fraud, and Abuse
Subtitle G—Puerto Rico and the Territories
Subtitle H—Miscellaneous
TITLE VIII—REVENUE-RELATED PROVISIONS
TITLE IX—MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS

SUBDIVISION C—PUBLIC HEALTH AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
TITLE I—COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS
TITLE II—WORKFORCE
Subtitle A—Primary Care Workforce
Subtitle B—Nursing Workforce
Subtitle C—Public Health Workforce
Subtitle D—Adapting Workforce to Evolving Health System Needs
TITLE III—PREVENTION AND WELLNESS
TITLE IV—QUALITY AND SURVEILLANCE
TITLE V—OTHER PROVISIONS
Subtitle A—Drug Discount for Rural and Other Hospitals
Subtitle B—School-Based Health Clinics
Subtitle C—National Medical Device Registry
Subtitle D—Grants for Comprehensive Programs to Provide Education to
Nurses and Create a Pipeline to Nursing
Subtitle E—States Failing To Adhere to Certain Employment Obligations
Subtitle F—Standards for Accessibility to Medical Equipment for Individuals
With Disabilities
Subtitle G—Other Grant Programs
Subtitle H—Long-term Care and Family Caregiver Support
Subtitle I—Online Resources

DIVISION III—HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR:
INVESTING IN EDUCATION

TITLE I—INVESTING IN STUDENTS AND FAMILIES
Subtitle A—Increasing College Access and Completion
Sec. 101. Federal Pell Grants.
Sec. 102. College Access and Completion Innovation Fund.
Sec. 103. Investment in historically Black colleges and universities and other
minority-serving institutions.
Sec. 104. Investment in cooperative education.
Sec. 105. Loan forgiveness for servicemembers activated for duty.
Sec. 106. Veterans Educational Equity Supplemental Grant Program.
Subtitle B—Student Financial Aid Form Simplification
Sec. 121. General effective date.
Sec. 122. Treatment of assets in need analysis.
Sec. 123. Changes to total income; aid eligibility.

TITLE II—STUDENT LOAN REFORM
Subtitle A—Stafford Loan Reform
Sec. 201. Federal Family Education Loan appropriations.
Sec. 202. Scope and duration of Federal loan insurance program.
Sec. 203. Applicable interest rates.
Sec. 204. Federal payments to reduce student interest costs.
Sec. 205. Federal PLUS Loans.
Sec. 206. Federal Consolidation Loan.
Sec. 207. Unsubsidized Stafford loans for middle-income borrowers.
Sec. 208. Loan repayment for civil legal assistance attorneys.
Sec. 209. Special allowances.
Sec. 210. Revised special allowance calculation.
Sec. 211. Origination of Direct Loans at institutions located outside the United
States.
Sec. 212. Agreements with institutions.
Sec. 213. Terms and conditions of loans.
Sec. 214. Contracts.
Sec. 215. Interest rates.
Subtitle B—Perkins Loan Reform
Sec. 221. Federal Direct Perkins Loans terms and conditions.
Sec. 222. Authorization of appropriations.
Sec. 223. Allocation of funds.
Sec. 224. Federal Direct Perkins Loan allocation.
Sec. 225. Agreements with institutions of higher education.
Sec. 226. Student loan information by eligible institutions.
Sec. 227. Terms of loans.
Sec. 228. Distribution of assets from student loan funds.
Sec. 229. Implementation of non-title IV revenue requirement.
Sec. 230. Administrative expenses.

TITLE III—MODERNIZATION, RENOVATION, AND REPAIR
Subtitle A—Elementary and Secondary Education
Sec. 301. Definitions.
CHAPTER 1—GRANTS FOR MODERNIZATION, RENOVATION, OR REPAIR OF
PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES
Sec. 311. Purpose.
Sec. 312. Allocation of funds.
Sec. 313. Allowable uses of funds.
Sec. 314. Priority projects.
CHAPTER 2—SUPPLEMENTAL GRANTS FOR LOUISIANA, MISSISSIPPI, AND
ALABAMA
Sec. 321. Purpose.
Sec. 322. Allocation to local educational agencies.
Sec. 323. Allowable uses of funds.
CHAPTER 3—GENERAL PROVISIONS
Sec. 331. Impermissible uses of funds.
Sec. 332. Supplement, not supplant.
Sec. 333. Prohibition regarding State aid.
Sec. 334. Maintenance of effort.
Sec. 335. Special rule on contracting.
Sec. 336. Use of American iron, steel, and manufactured goods.
Sec. 337. Labor standards.
Sec. 338. Charter schools.
Sec. 339. Green schools.
Sec. 340. Reporting.
Sec. 341. Special rules.
Sec. 342. Promotion of employment experiences.
Sec. 343. Advisory Council on Green, High-Performing Public School Facilities.
Sec. 344. Education regarding projects.
Sec. 345. Availability of funds.
Subtitle B—Higher Education
Sec. 351. Federal assistance for community college modernization and construction.

TITLE IV—EARLY LEARNING CHALLENGE FUND
Sec. 401. Purpose.
Sec. 402. Programs authorized.
Sec. 403. Quality pathways grants.
Sec. 404. Development grants.
Sec. 405. Research and evaluation.
Sec. 406. Reporting requirements.
Sec. 407. Construction.
Sec. 408. Definitions.
Sec. 409. Availability of funds.

TITLE V—AMERICAN GRADUATION INITIATIVE
Sec. 501. Authorization and appropriation.
Sec. 502. Definitions; grant priority.
Sec. 503. Grants to eligible entities for community college reform.
Sec. 504. Grants to eligible States for community college programs.
Sec. 505. National activities.


53 posted on 03/18/2010 11:56:33 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: WinMod70

And if I remember correctly, wasn’t the original bill ‘only’ 1100 pages?

Why do I keep getting flashbacks of the movie ‘The Blob’?


54 posted on 03/18/2010 11:58:53 AM PDT by brktxpyr
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To: WinMod70

The GOP needs to read this aloud on the floor of the Congress.


55 posted on 03/18/2010 11:59:23 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Duty, Honor, Country - not Diversity)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

$100 million to Hispanic Serving Institutions, $85 million to Historically Black Colleges and Universities, $15 million to Predominantly Black Institutions, $30 million to Tribal Colleges and Universities, $15 million to Alaska, Hawaiian Native Institutions, $5 million to Asian American and Pacific Islander Institutions, and $5 million to Native American non-tribal serving institutions

Also a nice 2.9% tax added to sale of ALL medical devices....


56 posted on 03/18/2010 12:00:57 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: onemiddleamerican

I guess that’s probably it. Should provide us with even more ammo with which to oppose this mess. I hope Paul Ryan is warnming up his vocal chords. He will be in high demand tonight.


57 posted on 03/18/2010 12:00:59 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: milwguy

Section 2213. Agreements with State-Owned Banks. This section amends Part D of Title IV to direct the Secretary to enter into an agreement with an eligible lender for the purpose of providing Federal loan insurance on student loans made by state-owned banks.

Nice...Now the gov’t will let the states take over banks to make a few bucks on student loans............


58 posted on 03/18/2010 12:02:36 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: woofie

I’m going to wait for the movie.


59 posted on 03/18/2010 12:06:17 PM PDT by gunnersmatePCF12
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To: milwguy

ANYONE who does not think this clause will make insurance rates SKYROCKET is smoking too much hopium.

Notice the ‘evil’ insurance companies can still exclude sick folks until 2014, so how many will haveto die before ObamaCare kicks in??

Sec. 2301. Insurance Reforms. Extends the prohibition of lifetime limits, prohibition on rescissions, limitations on excessive waiting periods, and a requirement to provide coverage for non-dependent children up to age 26 to all existing health insurance plans starting six months after enactment. For group health plans, prohibits pre-existing condition exclusions in 2014, restricts annual limits beginning six months after enactment, and prohibits them starting in 2014. For coverage of non-dependent children prior to 2014, the requirement on group health plans is limited to those adult children without an employer offer of coverage.


60 posted on 03/18/2010 12:06:38 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

LOL - best line of the thread!


61 posted on 03/18/2010 12:07:40 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SE Mom
"Sec. 1402. Medicare tax. Modifies the tax to include net investment income in the taxable base. Currently, the Medicare tax does not apply to net investment income. The Medicare tax on net investment income does not apply if modified adjusted gross income is less than $250,000 in the case of a joint return, or $200,000 in the case of a single return. Net investment income is interest, dividends, royalties, rents, gross income from a trade or business involving passive activities, and net gain from disposition of property (other than property held in a trade or business). Net investment income is reduced by properly allocable deductions to such income. "

They just added a 3.8% Medicare tax to ALL investment income (royalties, capital gains, etc., sale of your home, etc.) for all such income above $200,000.
62 posted on 03/18/2010 12:08:26 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: milwguy
"...so how many will haveto die before ObamaCare kicks in??"

Smoke & Mirrors!

63 posted on 03/18/2010 12:09:22 PM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
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To: MplsSteve

Congressman Keith Ellison

Sign Up For Our Health Care Telephone Town Hall This Thursday

http://ellison.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=434:sign-up-for-our-health-care-telephone-town-hall-this-thursday&catid=36:keiths-blog&Itemid=44

Please join Congressman Keith Ellison for a telephone town hall on Health Care Reform tonight, Thursday March 18th, from 7-8 PM CDT.

Constituents who have preregistered will receive a call at 7 PM inviting them to join the call.

Residents of the Fifth District of Minnesota are invited to join by calling toll free 1-888-886-6603 Ext 14412# any time during the town hall.


64 posted on 03/18/2010 12:09:33 PM PDT by Son House ("Warning! Warning!" "That does not compute" "Danger, Will Robinson!""Oh, the pain...the pain!")
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To: Sopater; onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

Thank you !

Sen. and Dr. Tom Coburn and his PROMISE to Dems who swing from NO to YES on DEMON PASS.. THAT’S TELLING ‘EM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA0EOugizPY&feature=player_embedded#at=22


65 posted on 03/18/2010 12:11:23 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: Man50D

Well we are looking at FULL DISREGARD for the US Constitution.


66 posted on 03/18/2010 12:11:57 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: SE Mom
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Does not the House have to pass the Senate bill exactly how it was sent to them? If not, then this is a new bill that has to go to the Senate, does it not? Someone tell me I'm right!
67 posted on 03/18/2010 12:12:29 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Bobby_Taxpayer

You very well might have answered my Post 67. Hope so.


68 posted on 03/18/2010 12:13:56 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Bushbacker1

I THINK you’re correct- which is what got Kent Conrad who’s in charge of all this in the Senate- upset. He said more changes will have to be made because of what the House has done.

I don’t know anymore- I’m dizzy.


69 posted on 03/18/2010 12:14:50 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat veteran)
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A vote? On 3/21?

‘zakat’ and ‘nisab’:

Nisab means the minimum amount fixed by Islamic Shariah for certain kinds of wealth and valuables.

Terms and Conditions

1- Zakatable assets must be at least equivalent to Nisab.
2- Zakatable assets at least to the limit of nisab must be in the ownership of a person for one lunar year.

Zakatable Assets and its Nisab
1- Gold: The nisab for gold is 3 oz. or 100 g.
2- Silver: The nisab for silver is 21 oz. or 700 g.


http://goicn.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=344

And, the bill was posted at 12:44 (8:44 in Mecca):

Remember 8:44 am on 9/11?
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=3000#a903


Get it, folks?

3 - 2 - 1 - 8:44

Slaughter Deem, indeed


70 posted on 03/18/2010 12:18:27 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: SE Mom
I don’t know anymore- I’m dizzy.

Imagine how I feel. I'm trying to read this damn thing while riding on a Tilt-A-Whirl!

71 posted on 03/18/2010 12:18:40 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: SE Mom
Of course, they post this thing AFTER Rush goes off the air.
72 posted on 03/18/2010 12:18:53 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (ClimateScandal.org)
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To: Major Matt Mason

For once- I’m listening to HAnnity- he’s trying to explain it.


73 posted on 03/18/2010 12:19:49 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat veteran)
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To: Bobby_Taxpayer

That is what I thought. There is so much going on and so much political tomfoolery it is really hard to keep up. So if they pass the amended bill on Sunday, then it goes back to the Senate for filibuster and death. Good.


74 posted on 03/18/2010 12:23:08 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: Bushbacker1

A summary of my interpretation of events.

The house will pass the Senate Bill as is.

The New bill (a separate entity, aka reconciliation) will be passed by the House and requires Senate approval. The new bill contains the changes renegade House Dims require to the Senate Bill. If the new bill fails in the Senate, the original Senate bill becomes law when joker signs it.

Republicans say they have the 41 votes required to kill it.


75 posted on 03/18/2010 12:23:52 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: SE Mom; onyx; maggief; All

Well, Roger Ailes snags another one away from CNN !!

Gerri Willis was ALWAYS a financial reporter and commentator on CNN ..

No MORE! She’s just on with Shep and is on on
Fox Business.


76 posted on 03/18/2010 12:34:33 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

GREAT VIDEO!!

Obama and the democrats are hell bent on tearing this country apart and bringing our entire economy down to rack and ruin. I hope the republicans hold their feet to the fire and when they win back the Congress in November..it’s time for investigations and prosecutions of every democrat corruptocrat in DC!


77 posted on 03/18/2010 12:35:47 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: STARWISE

I just looked up from my computer and saw her face (have it muted) and noticed her- thought- wait- how did CNN get on?!

Glad to see anyone leave CNN.


78 posted on 03/18/2010 12:37:01 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat veteran)
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To: SE Mom

Now is a good time for a hacker to take the site down lolol
So they can’t read it


79 posted on 03/18/2010 12:38:45 PM PDT by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd,you get no further than the crowd")
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To: STARWISE

I’m going back to check her out. I’m running way behind on the show because I went back to see what Fred Barnes had to say about the bill while he was on Megan Kelly’s, best looking woman on TV, show. He said this health care BS is going to go on and on for years and may not be resolved....which is a good thing.


80 posted on 03/18/2010 12:40:18 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: SE Mom
Ok, I am having at it.

Looking at this page, called "H.R. 4872, THE HEALTH CARE & EDUCATION AFFORDABILITY RECONCILIATION ACT of 2010 SECTION-BY-SECTION ANALYSIS", I chose to read through the part labeled "Subtitle B - Medicare" under which there is a listing of Sections 1101, 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1106 and 1107 in which there are supposedly changes made by Nancy Pelosi and the House Dems.

Only problem is when I go to the actual document posted (page #1272 of 2310 pages) and look for the "Medicare and Medicaid Improvements" changes for those seven sections, there is only reference to Sections 1101, 1102 and 1103. Changes referenced in Sections 1104, 1105, 1106 and 1107 are nowhere to be found?!

Now, if I am understanding this shell game that Pelosi and the Dems are intending on playing with the Senate Bill, they are taking out all the Senate wording and replacing it with their new and improved wording; and not simply cutting and pasting here and there.

If that is the case, then the House Bill we and our representatives are reading and "judging" right now is not even complete. God, what a effin mess this thing is. It needs to go down in flames.

81 posted on 03/18/2010 12:42:01 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO - and all your terrorist buddies, too!)
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To: SE Mom

The really new bill or the kinda new bill?


82 posted on 03/18/2010 12:45:50 PM PDT by sanjoaquinvalley (Long Time Lady Lurker)
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To: STARWISE

She mentioned to Shep that 26 year olds will be covered under the new bill. Then says to Shep, just when you thought you’d get your 26 year old out of the house. Did Shep and his boyfriend have a child?


83 posted on 03/18/2010 12:47:10 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: milwguy

Nice line items. Whatinhell do student loans and biofuels have to do with health care?

Re: the “cellulose biofuels” insert (nice catch!). Whose vote is targeted with that perk? Here’s a list of the facilities. Freepers with congress critters that Nancy might be buying should check it out and see if anything rings a bell. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=114833920384672107621.0004573f4767c96126a4d&ll=37.020098,-95.712891&spn=19.944227,53.938504&source=embed&s=AARTsJpaiv9C0v8lRN_b6Rbxbt8tzDxGzw


84 posted on 03/18/2010 12:51:53 PM PDT by Eroteme
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To: Eroteme

“Whatinhell do student loans and biofuels have to do with health care?”

I was thinking the same. Throwing this in makes it a whole new bill, I would think. Wouldn’t they have to start the process over?


85 posted on 03/18/2010 1:00:10 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: Bushbacker1

I know .. that’s been mentioned since the beginning.

What the heck is a 26 yr old doing being categorized
as a child ..?? It’s insane. This is going to encourage
all the slugs, bums and lowlifes they love to care for
lay around or pursue poetry, pot and potpourri get covered
on our dimes and nickels. Disgusting.

It’s like they know there won’t be any jobs for them
anyway, so cover them.


86 posted on 03/18/2010 1:12:07 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: edcoil

I am sure that all of the 435 members of the House have read and properly digested each page of the proposed legislation.


87 posted on 03/18/2010 1:13:42 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: STARWISE

It’s not going to matter. After this bill is passed, this is the end of the USA as we have known it.

It must be stopped. It cannot pass, and Coburn had better think up something better than this.


88 posted on 03/18/2010 1:14:07 PM PDT by tuckrdout ("Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."--MLK)
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To: SE Mom; All

Going to copy this here for all to read:(It’s a MUST READ for Texas Freepers...pass it on...Scary stuff)

Statement by The Honorable Arlene Wohlgemuth, TPPF Executive Director March 18, 2010
On this morning’s Congressional Budget Office score on the health care reconciliation package

This morning’s Congressional Budget Office score is nothing more than a smoke screen to distract the public. The core issue remains the ugly details of the U.S. Senate health care bill the House will try to “deem to have passed” this Sunday.

Passage of the Senate bill would increase Texans’ health insurance premiums by 61 percent over the next five years. Passage of the Senate bill would increase Texas’ Medicaid population by 50 percent and Texas’ budget deficit by several billion dollars. Passage of the Senate bill could expose Texas medical providers to more than 20 new types of medical malpractice lawsuits and pre-empt the tort reforms approved by Texas voters. All of this means that Texans’ health care costs would go up, while our access to quality health care would go down.

The CBO admitted that the numbers it released this morning were merely an educated guess, as “the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and refinement of the budgetary projections.”

However, the CBO estimate continues to double-count $463 billion in Medicare cuts that are unlikely to occur in the first place, as well as $53 billion in Social Security payroll taxes that are already committed to paying for future benefits. Once these and other smoke-and-mirrors tricks are removed from the analysis, the Senate’s health care legislation would increase the deficit nearly $600 billion in the first decade and by more than $1.6 trillion in its second decade.

Beyond that, the latest reconciliation draft postpones a more onerous tax on so-called “Cadillac” health plans until the end of the decade. Given that this tax is one of the unions’ most hated provisions and that the changes will hit a broad swath of the middle class, it is almost certainly to be repealed before it can take effect, which further guts the deficit reduction promises after 2018.

Sunday’s House vote would only assure that the Senate bill would go to the White House for President Obama’s signature. Any “reconciliation” provisions sent back to the Senate can be struck on parliamentary grounds, and the Senate leadership has little incentive to pass a reconciliation bill once its health care legislation has already been signed into law. That increases the likelihood that the Cornhusker Kickback, Gator Aid, Louisiana Purchase, and all of the other sweetheart deals in the Senate bill will become federal law.

Perhaps the same philosophy of “more government spending will help the economy” that we saw with the stimulus bill has affected the thinking in Washington with regard to the health care bill. Is spending trillions of tax dollars, enacting costly mandates, and federalizing health care decisions really the way to improve health care in America?

The Honorable Arlene Wohlgemuth is Executive Director and Director of the Center for Health Care Policy at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a non-profit, free-market research institute based in Austin. She served 10 years in the Texas House of Representatives, specializing in health care issues.

The Texas Public Policy Foundation is a non-profit free-market research institute based in Austin.

Primary website: www.TexasPolicy.com
Facebook page: www.Facebook.com/TexasPublicPolicyFoundation
Twitter feed: www.Twitter.com/TPPF


89 posted on 03/18/2010 1:14:15 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Bobby_Taxpayer

You are correct — if they make a change to the bill, passage in the House does not make it law.


90 posted on 03/18/2010 1:14:44 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Never on my watch

There is a start.


91 posted on 03/18/2010 1:15:02 PM PDT by tuckrdout ("Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."--MLK)
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To: SE Mom
Hear on radio today....the reason for student loans in this HCB is to bring in money.
Student will be charged 7% but government only has to pay (Fed Reserve?, not sure who) 2%.......so they are making a profit.
92 posted on 03/18/2010 1:15:58 PM PDT by mickie
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To: SE Mom

I have just skimmed over it and I don’t see how anyone, no matter how intelligent, can make heads or tails of this gobblydigook!


93 posted on 03/18/2010 1:27:37 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: FrdmLvr
In THIS? PLUS the 2700 pages in the original?

We're going to need a bigger computer....

94 posted on 03/18/2010 1:30:27 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Joseph, gather up my cape, scepter and teleprompters, It's demonize industry week agin!)
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To: Biggirl

This is the biggest point.

Millions of us in this country have taken a vow to “protect and defend the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic”....HERE is our domestic enemy: democrats.

It is time we start defending. Time to do our duty. In every town, in every office, please officals; do your duty to stop this bill. It is unconstitutional! It destroys our Democratic Republic and swings us into communism. This is why it is so important to Obama. He knows that this is the most important step to give him power.

We have seen it before. Obama rose to power by using his oratory skills (which are awful imo) to denigrate Bush and his supporters. He fed on the unhappiness and defeat the people felt....just has Hitler did in Germany. Hitler took power not by force, at first, but by ideology....He got his party in power. He used the electoral system to effect power; then promoted “National Socialism”. This national socialism, resembles religion. It seems to be kind and nice and helpful..but must demand adherance for the system to “work”. Truly, socialism is totalitarian in character, demanding total control of all politics, economy, social mores and thought, by a small group which claims to understand how to cope with all aspects of human existence.

So, this also was Hitler’s first step to total control.

This “health care bill” is indeed Obama’s equivilant to Germany’s “Enabling Act of March 23, 1933”...which unconstitutionally gave Hitler’s political party dictatorial power.

Many at the time said it wasn’t so! They said it couldn’t happen. It did, and we know what followed.

I am sure that the White House thugs have stopped giving out promises, and started to give out threats.

It is a battle we must win. Close ranks, stay together and do your duty.


95 posted on 03/18/2010 1:39:35 PM PDT by tuckrdout ("Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."--MLK)
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To: SE Mom

The total number of pages is 6,219. Does anyone believe that the President, Vice-President or any single person in the entire U.S. House of Representatives or United States Senate has read all of this, much less absorbed it? How can anyone with a conscience possibly vote on this bill?

153 pages: AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE TO H.R. 4872, AS REPORTED, March 18, 2010

2409 pages: Amendments from the Senate, December 24, 2009.

2310 pages: H. R. 4872 IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, MARCH 17, 2010

902 pages: REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE BUDGET HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO ACCOMPANY H.R. 4872, VOLUME I, MARCH 17, 2010

445 pages: REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE BUDGET HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO ACCOMPANY H.R. 4872, VOLUME II, MARCH 17, 2010


96 posted on 03/18/2010 1:57:55 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SE Mom

I don’t think we should be calling this bill as ‘NEW’, this COUP OF OUR REPUBLIC has been written over several decades.

The only factor left was to ‘install’ a Communist president, a power hungry left wing congress and weak opposition.


97 posted on 03/18/2010 2:13:03 PM PDT by RetSignman (Tea Parties ..."We have seen the Patriots and they are us")
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To: milwguy

Section 1401: I thought they would give unions a tax break and stick it to everyone else, but apparently they delayed the tax for everybody, not just unions. But where did they get the money to pay for that change from the senate bill?


98 posted on 03/18/2010 2:28:45 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: SE Mom
WTF! Is this healthcare?

Sec. 1408. Elimination of unintended application of cellulosic biofuel producer credit. Adds an additional revenue provision. In 2008, Congress enacted a $1.01 per gallon tax credit for the production of biofuel from cellulosic feedstocks in order to encourage the development of new production capacity for biofuels that are not derived from food source materials. Congress is aware that some taxpayers are seeking to claim the cellulosic biofuel tax credit for unprocessed fuels, such as black liquor. The provision would limit eligibility for the tax credit to processed fuels (i.e., fuels that could be used in a car engine or in a home heating application).
99 posted on 03/18/2010 2:36:54 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“where did they get the money to pay for that change from the senate bill?”

Mythical cuts in “Medicare Waste And Fraud”, of course.


100 posted on 03/18/2010 2:38:31 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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