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Would Legalizing Illegal Immigrants Help the GOP? (RINOs say amnesty opponents "not conservative")
US News & World Report ^ | 2010-03-19 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 03/18/2010 11:37:10 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Republicans, who have been under fire in the Latino community for junking immigration reform in the Bush administration and promoting some policies that appear anti-immigrant, think they can win back Hispanics, in part because President Obama has largely ignored the issue. One way they see to do it is to legalize illegals.

"Conservative leaders see opportunity for the party," says a Republican immigration reform advocate. "Due to Obama's lack of action on his promise of immigration reform , we believe Latino voters are open to being wooed by Republicans," the conservative activist said.

The wooing began today at an immigration reform forum sponsored by the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles on Capitol Hill. Proponents say they want the plan to suggest that border security isn't enough to form an immigration bill . They also want to figure out how to deal with current illegals, perhaps through legalization or a guest worker program. But, says one involved, they don't support "amnesty, per se."

Since former President Bush was thwarted on his immigration plan, the GOP has dropped the issue. "Most Republicans are for immigration reform, but they are afraid of saying anything publicly because of the pressure they're getting from the anti-immigration lobby," says Alfonso Aguilar, senior fellow with the Latino Partnership.

"This is pretty weird, considering that the three main anti-immigration groups—FAIR, NumbersUSA, and CIS—are not conservative at all," he added. (FAIR is the Federation for American Immgration Reform; CIS is the Center for Immigration Studies.) "They advance ideas like zero population growth and global warming, which clearly go against basic conservative beliefs. Obama's total lack of leadership on this issue should serve as a call to action for conservatives. We should reclaim the immigration issue."

The forum came in advance of this weekend's planned immigration reform march, which is expected to bring 100,000 out to support reform.

The president only recently signaled that the issue will be on his post-healthcare agenda. Democrats think they have a better chance wooing Latino voters because they feel Republicans talk too much about the southern border wall and kicking illegals out of the country.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: acorn; amnesty; gop; grahamschumer; illegals; immigration; laraza; mccain; mccainmutiny; mclamesrinoparty; rinos; rnc; seiu; soros

1 posted on 03/18/2010 11:37:11 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

they’re just not suicidal.


2 posted on 03/18/2010 11:37:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: darkwing104; AuntB
"This is pretty weird, considering that the three main anti-immigration groups—FAIR, NumbersUSA, and CIS—are not conservative at all," he added. (FAIR is the Federation for American Immgration Reform; CIS is the Center for Immigration Studies.) "They advance ideas like zero population growth and global warming, which clearly go against basic conservative beliefs. Obama's total lack of leadership on this issue should serve as a call to action for conservatives. We should reclaim the immigration issue."

I distinctly remember a newbie attacking ALIPAC using the same allegations.

IMO, something's up.

3 posted on 03/18/2010 11:37:52 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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Don’t woo, DEPORT!


4 posted on 03/18/2010 11:46:23 PM PDT by Cololeo
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They are stupid as well.


5 posted on 03/18/2010 11:47:14 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: rabscuttle385

What do you mean, something’s up?


6 posted on 03/18/2010 11:47:54 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I guess RINOs believe the argument is over:

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We’re a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change — some have
praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.”

George Bush, campaign speech in Miami, August 25, 2000.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16425


7 posted on 03/18/2010 11:49:44 PM PDT by donna (SarahPAC has donated money to...(wait for it)...Lindsey Graham!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Maybe Mexico would give an equal number of our citizens automatic Mexican citizenship with all rights of Mexican citizens? It would only be fair and the way things are going here, some may desire to go there. The question should be put to them as a test of good faith. If they say NO then are they racist? We should be allowed to vote in their elections, own property, get public assistance, if there is any.


8 posted on 03/18/2010 11:49:55 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (You can take a donkey travellin', but it won't come back a horse.)
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To: Anima Mundi

Smart thinking on the RINO’s part. The 30 million “grateful” new “legals” will vote 70-30 for the democrats. You can’t buy that kind of genius.


9 posted on 03/18/2010 11:53:45 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Not a big fan of Mark Levin, but I once heard him say, “If you import poverty, you will only get more poverty.” Even if a massive influx of voters helps the GOP in some fashion (which is doubtful), there is no possible way millions of uneducated 2nd-world refugees seeking welfare could help this nation prosper.


10 posted on 03/18/2010 11:54:39 PM PDT by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: rabscuttle385
I keep hearing that illegals are conservative. I've lived in Texas all my life and can assure you they aren't. I can also assure people that they aren't that Catholic. Most are drunk Sat night and don't go to church on Sunday. Many are gang members that still have blood on their clothes when they wake up Sunday afternoon.

For whatever reason, we are led to believe these are peace loving people that go to mass and keep their panties up all weekend. Not true. When they vote,.... and they do vote, they vote Dem for more bennies. I don't know any that would vote Repub. They don't even understand freedom and self reliance. They understand governments that give more and governments that give less.

Now that's ILLEGALS. I know many immigrant CITIZENS that understand the Founders principals. I have friends that spent years learning our history and language that are better citizens than most Dems I know. Yes, most of them are conservatives. They did it the right way.

11 posted on 03/19/2010 12:00:37 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s really tiresome to see the media repeatedly linking Republicans with Conservatives.

Republicans and Democrats see amnesty for illegal aliens as a possible way to garner more votes. Conservatives see amnesty as an encroachment on American citizens’ rights and a forgiveness for violating the sovereignty of the US. The majority of LEGAL hispanic immigrants and citizens are also opposed to amnesty for the illegals, according to many polls and articles that I have read.


12 posted on 03/19/2010 1:05:31 AM PDT by octex
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To: chuckles

I agree with all you stated, chuckles!

I’m a natural born Texan and have lived here for over 67 years (minus time in US Navy). The LEGAL hispanic residents truly resent the ILLEGAL aliens, because the latter group is connected with so much crime regarding drugs, break-ins, robberies and murders; all of which causes a tainting of the good hispanic folks that act as American citizens and have assimilated into the US culture.


13 posted on 03/19/2010 1:17:34 AM PDT by octex
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To: rabscuttle385; All
A passing thought, from Yers Trooly?

backhoe Says:

Guys, just off the top of my head?

I keep reading “the Democrats know they’ll get whacked in November, so they’ll go out in a blaze of glory.”

And “They see this as the one great opportunity to pass everything they’ve been dreaming of, and can’t pass the chance up, regardless of consequences…”

But… bear with me- if they just get amnesty, 20-35 million illegal aliens become voters ( the figures vary, I can’t find the link quickly, but one non-kook writer I have read argues it is around 36 million– whatever, it’s a lot of new voters. ) who will be beholden to the people who gave them this windfall.

Plus, they will likely bring over one or two or three or more family members… even more new voters.

And with that, they might not be kicked out in November.

They might get and keep a permanent majority.

14 posted on 03/19/2010 2:12:32 AM PDT by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: rabscuttle385
BLOOMBERG REPUBLICANS!

They are more disgusting than the democrats!

15 posted on 03/19/2010 2:20:31 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT,NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: rabscuttle385

“The wooing began today at an immigration reform forum sponsored by the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles”
There is nothing conservative about giving amnesty to 12 to 20 million criminal invaders.


16 posted on 03/19/2010 2:54:41 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

In an effort to regain the PA 8th Congresssional District seat he once held, Michael Fitzpatrick addressed a Bucks County Tea Party group Thursday night.

The subject of the illegal invasion/amnesty came up three times. It was the first subject brought up after Fitzpatrick asked for audience input.

Fitzpatrick held office during the hot years for the invasion awareness, 2004-2006, and was asked if he could give the crowd some insight into how that congress could be so disinterested in our border secrity. It must have been a difficult reuest. He did not seem able to process it. But he did say he voted for every secure border measure introduced to Congress during his tenure. Whether they were effective or not did not appear to be a concern.

He was also asked about his position on amnesty and he replied he was against blanket amnesty. Which means he supports one sort of amnesty or another.

He also publicly announced, specifically addressing a comment that employers should be prosecuted for hiring illegals, that he is opposed to taking any such action against employers.

Later in the night, Fitzpatrick again appeared stumped when an audience member called him on his earlier statement that he will always follow his heart when it comes to voting on an issue before Congress.

The Tea Partier reminded Fitzpatrick that his job wasn’t to vote what his heart told him but to vote in a manner that protects his constituents using the Constitution as his guide like his oath of office demanded.

Fitzpatrick looked confused by incomprehensible input.

He’s the Republican party’s favorite.

More change you can believe in.


17 posted on 03/19/2010 3:57:06 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman (Luke 23:31)
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To: Cololeo
Don’t woo, DEPORT!

Yeah, and send their anchor babies with them.

18 posted on 03/19/2010 5:58:53 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: rabscuttle385

H NO, especially with unemployment being nearly 20%!

If you can’t go to DC, then go to their local offices, or hold street corner rallies in front of a nursing home, or SS office. Be sure to put your signs on sticks you can then rest on, hands will cramp. Take photos, call media, talk radio, program them into your phones. Take a supply of magic markers, and a bull horn if you have access to one. Hit the Medicare cut & gut theme..nothing like mad grannies and gramps. VA Cuts, taxes on special needs kids...35 new taxes.

Pass it on! There is $500 BILLION in Cuts to Medicare, SS, Huge fees for Tricare for Life, the over 65 retired Military’s health ins. 8% cuts to Medicare benefits, 15% cuts to nursing homes, cuts to in home nursing care of Medicare patients. 35 NEW taxes to be collected for 4 years BEFORE the health care promised goes into effect! Even a tax on Special Needs Kids, like Jerry’s Kids.

Call all your Reps today.........raise as much noise about the Medicare cut & Gut to give illegals FREE health care and our jobs as you can...it’s CRUNCH TIME to save the soul of America. He’s now promising LaRaza free health care for illegals and more jobs.

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan
http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Repeal Obamacare? Unlikely

OBAMA PROPOSAL THREATENS TO DENY SENIOR CITIZENS ABILITY TO USE OWN MONEY TO SAVE THEIR OWN LIVES
http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release022210b.html

http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidHarsanyi/2010/03/10/repeal_obamacare_unlikely
Obama spent last week campaigning for health care reform, at one point getting some college-age fans worked up about all the free stuff — “free” preventive care and “free” checkups and so forth — they would receive if his version of health care reform passed.

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011367936_walgreens18m.html
Survey in New England Journal of Medicine Says 46% of US Doctors Will Quit If Obamacare Passes

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2798380/shocking_survey_in_new_england_journal.html?cat=75

CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion
Weekly Standard ^ | March 18, 2010 | Jeffrey Anderson

Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:02:44 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-obamacare-would-cost-over-2-trillion

The numbers are also listed on Rush’s page.

Here is one of the ones he gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!

Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

They may have busied it out, or we overloaded it. Regular numbers are busy too.

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Toll free to the US Senate:

1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)

1-800-417-7666. (English number)

Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Defeat Obamacare call list: Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS

Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!

Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/

Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

RUSH says to pressure these 2

Charles Wilson, Ohio Toll Free Number 888-706-1833 DC (202) 225-5705 fx: (202) 225-5907, Bridgeport, (740) 633-5705 fx: (740) 633-5727, Canfield, (330) 533-7250 fx: (330) 533-7136 Marietta, : (740) 376-0868 fx: (740) 376-0886 Ironton, (740) 533-9423 fx: (740) 533-9359 Wellsville, 330) 532-3740

Joe Cao DC (202) 225-6636 Fax: (202) 225-1988, NO (504) 483-2325 Fax: (504) 483-7944

New FLIPPERS

Rep. Bart Gordon TN 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986, 931-528-5907, 615-451-5174

Mark Schauer D.C. (202) 225-6276 Fax: (202) 225-6281 Jackson, MI (517) 780-9075
Fax: (517) 780-9081 Toll-Free: (877) 737-6407

Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,

Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871

Dennis Cardoza DC (202) 225-6131, Fax: 225-0819, 800-356-6424, Merced, (209) 383-4455 Fax: 726-1065 Modesto 209) 527-1914 Fax: 527-5748 Modesto, (209) 527-1914

Fax: 527-5748

Jim Costa Fresno 559-495-1620, Fax:559-495-1027, Bakersfeld, 661-869-1620 Fax: 661-869-1027 DC Phone:202-225-3341 Fax: 202-225-9308 Fax (202)225-5745

James Oberstar MN (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234

Gabrielle Giffords AZ (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 8th District

John Boccieri (D), Ohio Voted Yes on Stupak, NO on Health Care.Contact info - DC office (202) 225-3876 - Fax - (202) 225-3059 (330) 489-4414, Local Fax - (330) 489-4448

Betsy Markey DC 202.225.4676, fx. 202.225.5870, Ft. Collins, 970.221.7110fx 970.221.7240, Greeley, 970.351.6007 fx 970.351.6068, Lamar, 719.931.4003
fx 719.931.4005, Sterling, 970.522.0203 fx 970.522.1783

rec’d from NCTeaParty.com — Despite earlier assurances that he was a NO on health care reform and would not change his mind, Rep. Heath Shuler, NC 11, is now undecided.

Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th

http://shuler.house.gov/ DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422 Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734 Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: hayden.rogers@mail.house.gov

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699

Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295

John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)

Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131

Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District

Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District

Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District

John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District

Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District

Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District

Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District

Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District

Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District

Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District

Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District

Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District

John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District

Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District

James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District

Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District

Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District

Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District

Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District

Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District

Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District

Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District

Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District

Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District

John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District

Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District

Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District

Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District

Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District

Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)

Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)

senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE

Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,

Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

Congressional Dems on Twitter

http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter

And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!

1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351


19 posted on 03/19/2010 7:26:34 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: rabscuttle385
I distinctly remember a newbie attacking ALIPAC using the same allegations.

It smells...


20 posted on 03/19/2010 10:29:24 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: MurrietaMadman

They will only consider the Constitution when they can twist it to support their schemes!


21 posted on 03/19/2010 10:47:55 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT,NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You’re right. And I’ll bet they can’t dress in the morning without consulting a poll.

Was in the current congress person’s office today, Democrat Patrick Murphy. One of the staff of two was handling the heavy call volume better than the other but neither would get a prize for their behaviour, especially when one gentleman who arrived with me raised the issue of Murphy’s lack of communication.

In the space of fifteen minutes six people entered the office. Two of the six were speaking for organizations they headed up.

No one was happy that Murphy supported the health care bill and everyone promised the congressional staff they would work diligently to see Murphy does not return to Washington if he doesn’t change his mind and vote against it.

The staff appeared unrepentant, unmoved and unimpressed with the short reminder of our Congressional guarantees we provided.


22 posted on 03/19/2010 9:07:38 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman (Luke 23:31)
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