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CBO: Health Bill Would Force Families to Buy Insurance Costing a Minimum of $12,000 Per Year
CNS News ^ | 3/18/2010 | Pete Winn, Senior Writer/Editor

Posted on 03/19/2010 12:57:14 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

If Congress passes the Senate health-care plan, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, American families will be required by federal law to buy a federally approved health insurance plan that will cost a minimum of $12,000 per year--and, on average, will cost $15,000 per year -- whether their employer or the government helps them with the premium or not.

Beginning in 2014, the Senate plan would require all individuals to buy health insurance. Anyone who does not obtain insurance through an employer would be forced to buy it out of their own pocket. Families of four that make up to 400 percent of poverty level--currently $88,200 per year--would receive a subsidy from the government to help pay for their premiums. That subsidy would attenuate as their income increased and would disappear when their income reached the 400 percent of poverty level.

Families earning more than $88,200 a year (or whatever 400 percent of the poverty level equals in any given year) would be entirely on their own. Under the Senate bill, employers would not be required to purchase health insurance for their workers, and if they decided not to do so, the maximum penalty they would have to pay would be $750 per year for each worker they did not insure who subsequently received a federal subsidy to buy insurance. The $750 penalty on employers who decided not to insure their workers would be far less than they would pay in premiums for the $12,000 minimum required plan.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cbo; deemandpass; demonpass; dictatorobama; donttalkcost; healthbill; healthinsurance; obama; obamacare; obamacarecost; socializedhealthcare; socializedmedicine; tyrant

1 posted on 03/19/2010 12:57:14 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

if this won’t gag a maggot what will?


2 posted on 03/19/2010 12:58:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: sonofstrangelove

What’s the betting pool on CBSABCNBC actually reporting this fact on the evening news????


3 posted on 03/19/2010 1:10:21 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: sonofstrangelove

LOL I don’t even spend half of that on living expenses per year. Shove that insurance up your 0bama!


4 posted on 03/19/2010 1:14:50 AM PDT by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Average income is $46,000 per household.

So we'll work until April 13 to pay taxes. (Tax Freedom Day- 2009)

And then we'll work another 95 days till July 17th to pay for health insurance.

($12000/$46000=26.1%*365 days = 95 days).

5 posted on 03/19/2010 1:24:53 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: TigersEye
As for me, I want the rich to pay my health insurance :). In all seriousness, if the bill doesn't cut the expenses, what's point? If everyone has to have health insurance what's the excuse for having to spend at least 2 times more than other modern nations?

Quite a few live even longer than us, so where's the money going?

6 posted on 03/19/2010 1:29:58 AM PDT by mainsail that
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To: sonofstrangelove

I have been waiting for some organization (RNC) to put up one of those calculators that explains what this bill means for a family of four which earns x number of dollars in income a year. They should break it down by both insurance costs, increased medical costs, and extra taxes a year. Then they should remind people that costs for programs like this are always underestimated so they can expect to be paying even more.

After that they can explain the loss of doctors and services, the new taxes on various medical items, and the rationing and long waits that are to come. This fix actually makes the problem worse. People need to see that.


7 posted on 03/19/2010 1:30:47 AM PDT by Waryone (So tired of blog pimps)
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To: sonofstrangelove; All

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but...

I saw on Fox Business that LARGE FIRMS will be fined $2000 per employee for NOT providing insurance.

Seems to me $2000 is a pittance, and that insurance policies cost much more.

So my guess is millions will be dropped on insurance, people will have to buy their own, won’t be able to afford it, and B. Hussein Obama will have his excuse for an “affordable public option.”

And there you have communism.


8 posted on 03/19/2010 1:31:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: sonofstrangelove

Well, there goes a third of MY income...


9 posted on 03/19/2010 1:35:33 AM PDT by redhead (ALASKA; Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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To: mainsail that

That is rather puzzling.


10 posted on 03/19/2010 1:42:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: Waryone
This fix actually makes the problem worse

The democrats know that what they are doing is impossible and will result in the collapse of the American health care system and will further their goal of destroying the American free enterprise system and economy.

That's the idea. America must be wrecked and shattered in order for it to be rebuilt as part of a socialist global government instead of the impediment to that global government that it is today.

All of this is intentional, deliberate, and planned. And it's far from over.

11 posted on 03/19/2010 1:44:18 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Cloward Piven.


12 posted on 03/19/2010 1:45:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: sonofstrangelove
So, it sounds like as an employer all I have to do is to hire new employees at lower wages and, for current employees, just go a year or two without giving raises.

As an employer I can tolerate that, but the employees sure are going to get a bum deal. (Including those I won't be hiring because my volume of business is reduced).

13 posted on 03/19/2010 1:50:30 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: sonofstrangelove
Health Care savings accounts sound a lot better. The average family can buy whole lot of health care for $12,000 dollars a year.

Of course the purpose of this $12,000 is not to buy the average family health insurance; it is for the average family to buy health insurance for everyone who does not buy health insurance.

And of course the purpose of the low ball fines to businesses that do not buy insurance for their employees is to force those employees in to the government option.

14 posted on 03/19/2010 1:52:49 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
All of this is intentional, deliberate, and planned. And it's far from over.

Yep. The rest of the socialist world sees the US as the biggest obstacle to world government there is at present. By passing this bill it will allow costs to increase even more than they are now, and many more people will be without insurance. Then they bring in the real government run health care when people are screaming for government to step in.

Create the problem then provide the solution.

15 posted on 03/19/2010 1:56:10 AM PDT by world weary
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To: redhead
Right now I pay about $275/mo for 3 people for medical, dental, and vision; my employer, a hospital, pays over $1300/mo for an 80/20 BCBS policy. So if HCR passes, eventually I'll have to pay $15,000 per year. And somehow this HCR is supposed to be a good thing for me?

Mrs. Prince of Space

16 posted on 03/19/2010 1:56:38 AM PDT by Prince of Space
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To: sonofstrangelove

My first thought after reading the paragraphs was “this is INSANE!”


17 posted on 03/19/2010 1:58:27 AM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: sonofstrangelove; All
Remember to multiply by at least 2 to get even close to what it will really cost you...
18 posted on 03/19/2010 2:03:14 AM PDT by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: Prince of Space

Your employer will go to paying $2000/year to NOT provide health insurance to you, and in theory would pass on the savings for what it doesn’t spend. But it will now count in your taxable income. You end up scrod.


19 posted on 03/19/2010 2:04:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Waryone

Just a little bit to late right now to do something like that. The vote is to be Sunday at the latest.


20 posted on 03/19/2010 2:10:20 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: sonofstrangelove

So, for $12,000, families get bronze clown-car, wait forever, rationed, 60% coverage health insurance.

Unions get at least silver, or possibly gold Cadillac care.

And BO, congress, et al pay nothing (do they??) and get Platinum Lexus immediate 100% covered health care on demand with the finest doctors available. No bureaucrat approval needed.

What’s wrong with this picture?


21 posted on 03/19/2010 2:19:16 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: Evil Slayer

Every bit of information helps. Something that graphic really helps. As far as dates go, the more force we push with the greater the chance they will delay the vote. They won’t call for a vote if they don’t have the votes to win.

What day that will happen, I don’t know. I do know this bill was supposed to be a done deal nearly a year ago. It’s still here. So don’t give up.


22 posted on 03/19/2010 2:24:23 AM PDT by Waryone (So tired of blog pimps)
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To: mainsail that

Hmmm. I don’t speak Japanese, but I guess I could learn.


23 posted on 03/19/2010 2:26:18 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Of course many of us here know that, but most of the population does not know that and even if they heard of it, they would just chalk it up to conspiracy thinking. But they won’t ignore the numbers. When they see the effect of this bill on their wallets, Cloward-Piven, Alinsky, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che, Fidel and Chavez combined won’t be able to help the democrats, including 0bama.


24 posted on 03/19/2010 2:31:13 AM PDT by Waryone (So tired of blog pimps)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I know a lot of hardworking people around here who don’t make $12000.00 a year! This will force them to accept welfare they don’t want! I guess the idea is to destroy dignity and pride!


25 posted on 03/19/2010 3:03:12 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT,NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“So my guess is millions will be dropped on insurance, people will have to buy their own, won’t be able to afford it, and B. Hussein Obama will have his excuse for an “affordable public option.”

And there you have communism.”

Which has been his plan from the beginning. This is all a shell leading to his eventual goal - the endgame: all of us forced onto the government system. After the “private system” has been slowly choked into nonexistence.

Pray that you and your familt stays healthy.

I am still praying that somehow, someway, a miracle occurs and this country killer will be stopped!


26 posted on 03/19/2010 3:14:26 AM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: sonofstrangelove

In 1957, when I went to Europe in military, it seemed to me that prices for items was twice what they were here, while incomes were one half of the income in the U.S.


27 posted on 03/19/2010 3:20:16 AM PDT by Waco (Kalifonia don't need no stenkin oil and no stenkin revenue.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

$15,000 per year for every family for health insurance that covers only 60% of expenses?????????

That’s $180,000 in 10 years for 60% coverage!!!!!!!!!

Worst deal ever????

Cheaper to fly to Singapore and get treated??????????????

Thanks Dim Bulb Dems ........

You guys are the greatest!!!!!!!!!!


28 posted on 03/19/2010 3:23:54 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Waryone
I have been waiting for some organization (RNC) to put up one of those calculators that explains what this bill means for a family of four which earns x number of dollars in income a year. They should break it down by both insurance costs, increased medical costs, and extra taxes a year. Then they should remind people that costs for programs like this are always underestimated so they can expect to be paying even more.

I guess that would be too simplistic for the media to cover. But they swoon all over themselves covering the woman who wears her dead sister's dentures.

29 posted on 03/19/2010 3:32:46 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it's ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: sonofstrangelove
But....but....but....aren't they claiming they will only impose a 40% tax on those "Cadillac" health care plans costing over $10K or so per year?

Looks like EVERYONE will have a "Cadillac" plan and be taxed 40% which will bring the $12K up to $16.8K...

30 posted on 03/19/2010 3:41:23 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: sonofstrangelove

If you can’t go to DC, then go to their local offices, or hold street corner rallies in front of a nursing home, or SS office. Be sure to put your signs on sticks you can then rest on, hands will cramp. Take photos, call media, talk radio, program them into your phones. Take a supply of magic markers, and a bull horn if you have access to one. Hit the Medicare cut & gut theme..nothing like mad grannies and gramps. VA Cuts, taxes on special needs kids...35 new taxes.

Pass it on! There is $500 BILLION in Cuts to Medicare, SS, Huge fees for Tricare for Life, the over 65 retired Military’s health ins. 8% cuts to Medicare benefits, 15% cuts to nursing homes, cuts to in home nursing care of Medicare patients. 35 NEW taxes to be collected for 4 years BEFORE the health care promised goes into effect! Even a tax on Special Needs Kids, like Jerry’s Kids.

Call all your Reps today.........raise as much noise about the Medicare cut & Gut to give illegals FREE health care and our jobs as you can...it’s CRUNCH TIME to save the soul of America. He’s now promising LaRaza free health care for illegals and more jobs.

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan
http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Repeal Obamacare? Unlikely

OBAMA PROPOSAL THREATENS TO DENY SENIOR CITIZENS ABILITY TO USE OWN MONEY TO SAVE THEIR OWN LIVES
http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release022210b.html

http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidHarsanyi/2010/03/10/repeal_obamacare_unlikely
Obama spent last week campaigning for health care reform, at one point getting some college-age fans worked up about all the free stuff — “free” preventive care and “free” checkups and so forth — they would receive if his version of health care reform passed.

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011367936_walgreens18m.html
Survey in New England Journal of Medicine Says 46% of US Doctors Will Quit If Obamacare Passes

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2798380/shocking_survey_in_new_england_journal.html?cat=75

CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion
Weekly Standard ^ | March 18, 2010 | Jeffrey Anderson

Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:02:44 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-obamacare-would-cost-over-2-trillion

The numbers are also listed on Rush’s page.

Here is one of the ones he gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!

Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

They may have busied it out, or we overloaded it. Regular numbers are busy too.

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Toll free to the US Senate:

1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)

1-800-417-7666. (English number)

Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Defeat Obamacare call list: Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS

Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!

Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/

Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

RUSH says to pressure these 2

Charles Wilson, Ohio Toll Free Number 888-706-1833 DC (202) 225-5705 fx: (202) 225-5907, Bridgeport, (740) 633-5705 fx: (740) 633-5727, Canfield, (330) 533-7250 fx: (330) 533-7136 Marietta, : (740) 376-0868 fx: (740) 376-0886 Ironton, (740) 533-9423 fx: (740) 533-9359 Wellsville, 330) 532-3740

Joe Cao DC (202) 225-6636 Fax: (202) 225-1988, NO (504) 483-2325 Fax: (504) 483-7944

New FLIPPERS

Rep. Bart Gordon TN 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986, 931-528-5907, 615-451-5174

Mark Schauer D.C. (202) 225-6276 Fax: (202) 225-6281 Jackson, MI (517) 780-9075
Fax: (517) 780-9081 Toll-Free: (877) 737-6407

Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,

Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871

Dennis Cardoza DC (202) 225-6131, Fax: 225-0819, 800-356-6424, Merced, (209) 383-4455 Fax: 726-1065 Modesto 209) 527-1914 Fax: 527-5748 Modesto, (209) 527-1914

Fax: 527-5748

Jim Costa Fresno 559-495-1620, Fax:559-495-1027, Bakersfeld, 661-869-1620 Fax: 661-869-1027 DC Phone:202-225-3341 Fax: 202-225-9308 Fax (202)225-5745

James Oberstar MN (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234

Gabrielle Giffords AZ (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 8th District

John Boccieri (D), Ohio Voted Yes on Stupak, NO on Health Care.Contact info - DC office (202) 225-3876 - Fax - (202) 225-3059 (330) 489-4414, Local Fax - (330) 489-4448

Betsy Markey DC 202.225.4676, fx. 202.225.5870, Ft. Collins, 970.221.7110fx 970.221.7240, Greeley, 970.351.6007 fx 970.351.6068, Lamar, 719.931.4003
fx 719.931.4005, Sterling, 970.522.0203 fx 970.522.1783

rec’d from NCTeaParty.com — Despite earlier assurances that he was a NO on health care reform and would not change his mind, Rep. Heath Shuler, NC 11, is now undecided.

Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th

http://shuler.house.gov/ DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422 Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734 Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: hayden.rogers@mail.house.gov

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699

Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295

John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)

Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131

Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District

Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District

Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District

John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District

Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District

Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District

Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District

Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District

Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District

Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District

Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District

Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District

John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District

Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District

James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District

Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District

Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District

Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District

Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District

Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District

Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District

Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District

Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District

Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District

John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District

Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District

Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District

Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District

Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District

Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)

Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)

senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE

Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,

Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

Congressional Dems on Twitter

http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter

And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!

1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351


31 posted on 03/19/2010 7:24:50 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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