Skip to comments.CBO: Health Bill Would Force Families to Buy Insurance Costing a Minimum of $12,000 Per Year
Posted on 03/19/2010 12:57:14 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
If Congress passes the Senate health-care plan, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, American families will be required by federal law to buy a federally approved health insurance plan that will cost a minimum of $12,000 per year--and, on average, will cost $15,000 per year -- whether their employer or the government helps them with the premium or not.
Beginning in 2014, the Senate plan would require all individuals to buy health insurance. Anyone who does not obtain insurance through an employer would be forced to buy it out of their own pocket. Families of four that make up to 400 percent of poverty level--currently $88,200 per year--would receive a subsidy from the government to help pay for their premiums. That subsidy would attenuate as their income increased and would disappear when their income reached the 400 percent of poverty level.
Families earning more than $88,200 a year (or whatever 400 percent of the poverty level equals in any given year) would be entirely on their own. Under the Senate bill, employers would not be required to purchase health insurance for their workers, and if they decided not to do so, the maximum penalty they would have to pay would be $750 per year for each worker they did not insure who subsequently received a federal subsidy to buy insurance. The $750 penalty on employers who decided not to insure their workers would be far less than they would pay in premiums for the $12,000 minimum required plan.
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if this won’t gag a maggot what will?
What’s the betting pool on CBSABCNBC actually reporting this fact on the evening news????
LOL I don’t even spend half of that on living expenses per year. Shove that insurance up your 0bama!
So we'll work until April 13 to pay taxes. (Tax Freedom Day- 2009)
And then we'll work another 95 days till July 17th to pay for health insurance.
($12000/$46000=26.1%*365 days = 95 days).
Quite a few live even longer than us, so where's the money going?
I have been waiting for some organization (RNC) to put up one of those calculators that explains what this bill means for a family of four which earns x number of dollars in income a year. They should break it down by both insurance costs, increased medical costs, and extra taxes a year. Then they should remind people that costs for programs like this are always underestimated so they can expect to be paying even more.
After that they can explain the loss of doctors and services, the new taxes on various medical items, and the rationing and long waits that are to come. This fix actually makes the problem worse. People need to see that.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong but...
I saw on Fox Business that LARGE FIRMS will be fined $2000 per employee for NOT providing insurance.
Seems to me $2000 is a pittance, and that insurance policies cost much more.
So my guess is millions will be dropped on insurance, people will have to buy their own, won’t be able to afford it, and B. Hussein Obama will have his excuse for an “affordable public option.”
And there you have communism.
Well, there goes a third of MY income...
That is rather puzzling.
The democrats know that what they are doing is impossible and will result in the collapse of the American health care system and will further their goal of destroying the American free enterprise system and economy.
That's the idea. America must be wrecked and shattered in order for it to be rebuilt as part of a socialist global government instead of the impediment to that global government that it is today.
All of this is intentional, deliberate, and planned. And it's far from over.
As an employer I can tolerate that, but the employees sure are going to get a bum deal. (Including those I won't be hiring because my volume of business is reduced).
Of course the purpose of this $12,000 is not to buy the average family health insurance; it is for the average family to buy health insurance for everyone who does not buy health insurance.
And of course the purpose of the low ball fines to businesses that do not buy insurance for their employees is to force those employees in to the government option.
Yep. The rest of the socialist world sees the US as the biggest obstacle to world government there is at present. By passing this bill it will allow costs to increase even more than they are now, and many more people will be without insurance. Then they bring in the real government run health care when people are screaming for government to step in.
Create the problem then provide the solution.
Mrs. Prince of Space
My first thought after reading the paragraphs was “this is INSANE!”
Your employer will go to paying $2000/year to NOT provide health insurance to you, and in theory would pass on the savings for what it doesn’t spend. But it will now count in your taxable income. You end up scrod.
Just a little bit to late right now to do something like that. The vote is to be Sunday at the latest.
So, for $12,000, families get bronze clown-car, wait forever, rationed, 60% coverage health insurance.
Unions get at least silver, or possibly gold Cadillac care.
And BO, congress, et al pay nothing (do they??) and get Platinum Lexus immediate 100% covered health care on demand with the finest doctors available. No bureaucrat approval needed.
Whats wrong with this picture?
Every bit of information helps. Something that graphic really helps. As far as dates go, the more force we push with the greater the chance they will delay the vote. They won’t call for a vote if they don’t have the votes to win.
What day that will happen, I don’t know. I do know this bill was supposed to be a done deal nearly a year ago. It’s still here. So don’t give up.
Hmmm. I don’t speak Japanese, but I guess I could learn.
Of course many of us here know that, but most of the population does not know that and even if they heard of it, they would just chalk it up to conspiracy thinking. But they won’t ignore the numbers. When they see the effect of this bill on their wallets, Cloward-Piven, Alinsky, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che, Fidel and Chavez combined won’t be able to help the democrats, including 0bama.
I know a lot of hardworking people around here who don’t make $12000.00 a year! This will force them to accept welfare they don’t want! I guess the idea is to destroy dignity and pride!
“So my guess is millions will be dropped on insurance, people will have to buy their own, wont be able to afford it, and B. Hussein Obama will have his excuse for an affordable public option.
And there you have communism.”
Which has been his plan from the beginning. This is all a shell leading to his eventual goal - the endgame: all of us forced onto the government system. After the “private system” has been slowly choked into nonexistence.
Pray that you and your familt stays healthy.
I am still praying that somehow, someway, a miracle occurs and this country killer will be stopped!
In 1957, when I went to Europe in military, it seemed to me that prices for items was twice what they were here, while incomes were one half of the income in the U.S.
$15,000 per year for every family for health insurance that covers only 60% of expenses?????????
That’s $180,000 in 10 years for 60% coverage!!!!!!!!!
Worst deal ever????
Cheaper to fly to Singapore and get treated??????????????
Thanks Dim Bulb Dems ........
You guys are the greatest!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that would be too simplistic for the media to cover. But they swoon all over themselves covering the woman who wears her dead sister's dentures.
Looks like EVERYONE will have a "Cadillac" plan and be taxed 40% which will bring the $12K up to $16.8K...
If you can’t go to DC, then go to their local offices, or hold street corner rallies in front of a nursing home, or SS office. Be sure to put your signs on sticks you can then rest on, hands will cramp. Take photos, call media, talk radio, program them into your phones. Take a supply of magic markers, and a bull horn if you have access to one. Hit the Medicare cut & gut theme..nothing like mad grannies and gramps. VA Cuts, taxes on special needs kids...35 new taxes.
Pass it on! There is $500 BILLION in Cuts to Medicare, SS, Huge fees for Tricare for Life, the over 65 retired Militarys health ins. 8% cuts to Medicare benefits, 15% cuts to nursing homes, cuts to in home nursing care of Medicare patients. 35 NEW taxes to be collected for 4 years BEFORE the health care promised goes into effect! Even a tax on Special Needs Kids, like Jerrys Kids.
Call all your Reps today.........raise as much noise about the Medicare cut & Gut to give illegals FREE health care and our jobs as you can...its CRUNCH TIME to save the soul of America. Hes now promising LaRaza free health care for illegals and more jobs.
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Obama spent last week campaigning for health care reform, at one point getting some college-age fans worked up about all the free stuff free preventive care and free checkups and so forth they would receive if his version of health care reform passed.
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollees cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf
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The numbers are also listed on Rushs page.
Here is one of the ones he gave out on the radio that Im calling. So far its been busy but Im going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762
They may have busied it out, or we overloaded it. Regular numbers are busy too.
U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121
U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111
Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep
Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Toll free to the US Senate:
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)
Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!
Defeat Obamacare call list: Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS
Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that Im calling. So far its been busy but Im going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762
KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE
CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/
Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obamas announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the fixer bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
RUSH says to pressure these 2
Charles Wilson, Ohio Toll Free Number 888-706-1833 DC (202) 225-5705 fx: (202) 225-5907, Bridgeport, (740) 633-5705 fx: (740) 633-5727, Canfield, (330) 533-7250 fx: (330) 533-7136 Marietta, : (740) 376-0868 fx: (740) 376-0886 Ironton, (740) 533-9423 fx: (740) 533-9359 Wellsville, 330) 532-3740
Joe Cao DC (202) 225-6636 Fax: (202) 225-1988, NO (504) 483-2325 Fax: (504) 483-7944
Rep. Bart Gordon TN 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986, 931-528-5907, 615-451-5174
Mark Schauer D.C. (202) 225-6276 Fax: (202) 225-6281 Jackson, MI (517) 780-9075
Fax: (517) 780-9081 Toll-Free: (877) 737-6407
Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,
Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871
Dennis Cardoza DC (202) 225-6131, Fax: 225-0819, 800-356-6424, Merced, (209) 383-4455 Fax: 726-1065 Modesto 209) 527-1914 Fax: 527-5748 Modesto, (209) 527-1914
Jim Costa Fresno 559-495-1620, Fax:559-495-1027, Bakersfeld, 661-869-1620 Fax: 661-869-1027 DC Phone:202-225-3341 Fax: 202-225-9308 Fax (202)225-5745
James Oberstar MN (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234
Gabrielle Giffords AZ (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 8th District
John Boccieri (D), Ohio Voted Yes on Stupak, NO on Health Care.Contact info - DC office (202) 225-3876 - Fax - (202) 225-3059 (330) 489-4414, Local Fax - (330) 489-4448
Betsy Markey DC 202.225.4676, fx. 202.225.5870, Ft. Collins, 970.221.7110fx 970.221.7240, Greeley, 970.351.6007 fx 970.351.6068, Lamar, 719.931.4003
fx 719.931.4005, Sterling, 970.522.0203 fx 970.522.1783
recd from NCTeaParty.com Despite earlier assurances that he was a NO on health care reform and would not change his mind, Rep. Heath Shuler, NC 11, is now undecided.
Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th
http://shuler.house.gov/ DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422 Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734 Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: email@example.com
Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)
Congressional Dems on Twitter
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.
At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote yes for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.
When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senators answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!
We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!
1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351