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'Mad Money' Cramer: Health Care Passage 'Will Topple the Stock Market'
Newsbusters ^ | March 19, 2010 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 03/19/2010 5:34:49 AM PDT by Rufus2007

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To: Common Sense 101
Oh, sorry. I plan long term (and long gun) for the future. Which is why I don’t have a 401K but do have gold, guns and ground.
21 posted on 03/19/2010 5:54:51 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Don't just pick between Bull Sh*t and Horse Sh*t, clean out the stable!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

You need to do your homework on this bill. The Inssurance companies stand to gain 30 million new paying customers. Their are no limits on prices in the bill and they still can’t compete across state lines. If you want to make some quick money, start buying health insurance stock. How many commercials “Paid by insurance companies” opposing this bill have you seen in your viewing area. I will bet you the answer is zero. Thier may be some against commercials, but the insurance comopanies aren’t buying them.

22 posted on 03/19/2010 5:57:13 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Rufus2007
Time to short some stocks.

Glad you said "some". Insurance companies and related medical will probably plummet but the broader market will be ok in the relatively short term, in the long run, after the next year or two everything may tank.

As always, just an opinion.

23 posted on 03/19/2010 5:58:56 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

That is correct, Big Government has always been supported by Big Business which hates competition.

24 posted on 03/19/2010 5:59:16 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Rufus2007

A lot of people think that if the health bill passes it will create such a reaction that none of the other stuff will. Others think it will embolden the demoncrats further to ‘pass’ things without votes etc..

25 posted on 03/19/2010 6:02:31 AM PDT by Rippin
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I have just a small amount of “extra” money I’ve been playing with. One of my plays is MYL, seems it would be good to keep with healthcare being passed.

But, for the rest, is the consensus sell off today?

26 posted on 03/19/2010 6:03:36 AM PDT by brownsfan (The average American: Uninformed, and unconcerned.)
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To: Rufus2007

Let’s look at what Obamacare will do to the economy apart from the stock market as the stock market should just be a reflection of that impact.

-Taxes will increase for the first 4 years with no change in healthcare law. Those taxes will cause both companies and individuals to change their behavior to avoid the taxes. Those changes in behavior will not be done based on productivity or profitability, but on taxes. Thus productivity and thus standard of living will be impacted negatively by the increase in taxes.

-Companies, and some individuals, will adjust their behavior to prepare for the future. Invaribly big government regulation favors big business over small business. Thus there will be a wave of mergers and acquistions. The big will get bigger. The small will disappear. That is true in both the insurance sector and the provider sector.

-Individual providers, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, etc will have 4 years in which to decide if their career with take a new direction... into retirement or into some non-provider role. Since the need for lawyers with healthcare expertise will increase and not be regulated, expect some doctors to become lawyers.

-Based on HIPPAAAAH and past governmetn bureaucratic control of healthcare, IT consulting will become a booming business. State and local health and welfare departments, hospitals, clinics and doctors, insurance companies, and of course the new federal bureaucracy of 137 commissions will all need changes to software. This would seem to be 10 times bigger than HIPPA. HIPPA was unable to find enough Americans willing and able to make the hundreds of billiions of dollars of changes to the software needed and had to offshore major parts of that software effort.

Expect major parts of compliance with Obamacare to be offshored. Foreign firms like SAP, Siemens, HTIC, etal are likely to grow as well as the big US firms like IBM.

The new government bureaucracy will become so big that IBM and DB2 will gain advantage over HP, Oracle, Microsoft that just cannot handle the sheer size of the processing required by such big bureaucratic demands.

But then, watch for HP, Oracle, Microsoft to scramble to catch up with IBM. Their focus on big will mean a lack of focus on small business where they currently make their money. So not only will big government encourage mergers and acquisitions, but it will also reduce the market for small business information systems. Small business will be put at a disadvantage with less than the best information systems as a result of all of this.

Summary. Big government benefits big business over small busiess.

27 posted on 03/19/2010 6:04:54 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Rufus2007

Ever since Cramer cried over Elliot Spitzer on TV, he lost all credibility with me.
Goofy bastard.

28 posted on 03/19/2010 6:05:23 AM PDT by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

No problem at all... I like your long term investments, and of the three, the guns will be the hardest one for the “transformed” government to take away.

29 posted on 03/19/2010 6:06:35 AM PDT by Common Sense 101
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No it is not. When everyone is crying doom and gloom, the markets will go up. The markets are not about to fall, the government will not let them go down. We have seen story after story about how precipitous the whole econonmy is — look at the market charts and stock prices in general, up, up, up. Only when people truly believe that the economy is going to recover will the market crash.

30 posted on 03/19/2010 6:15:17 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
He is wrong on this.

Just on this? Listening to Cramer is like taking advice from the Devil on how to stay out of hell.

31 posted on 03/19/2010 6:16:07 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Rufus2007

I can’t stand Cramer but he’s right on this one.

Imposing a Medicare tax on dividends and Capital gains, on top of letting the Bush tax custs expire, what does that leave us as an effective tax rate? Investment will dry up or MOVE ELSEWHERE...

32 posted on 03/19/2010 6:16:54 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

He is wrong on this. The Market has already factored in that it will pass.

Yes but I doubt they factored in the nearly 4% tax on unearned income that was added at the 11th hour to get the CBO score down.

33 posted on 03/19/2010 6:25:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
He is wrong on this

Correct! And what will happen is this, when the market DOESN'T immediately tank, they will take his comments as proof that we were wrong about HCR.

Hyperbole can lose us the war..

34 posted on 03/19/2010 6:50:11 AM PDT by Paradox (The Party of Know.)
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To: Rufus2007

If you can’t go to DC, then go to their local offices, or hold street corner rallies. Be sure to put your signs on sticks you can then rest on, hands will cramp. Take photos, call media, talk radio, program them into your phones. Take a supply of magic markers, and a bull horn if you have access to one. Hit the Medicare cut & gut theme..nothing like mad grannies and gramps. VA Cuts, taxes on special needs kids...35 new taxes.

Pass it on! There is $500 BILLION in Cuts to Medicare, SS, Huge fees for Tricare for Life, the over 65 retired Military’s health ins. 8% cuts to Medicare benefits, 15% cuts to nursing homes, cuts to in home nursing care of Medicare patients. 35 NEW taxes to be collected for 4 years BEFORE the health care promised goes into effect! Even a tax on Special Needs Kids, like Jerry’s Kids.

Call all your Reps today.........raise as much noise about the Medicare cut & Gut to give illegals FREE health care and our jobs as you’s CRUNCH TIME to save the soul of America. He’s now promising LaRaza free health care for illegals and more jobs.

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan

Repeal Obamacare? Unlikely

Obama spent last week campaigning for health care reform, at one point getting some college-age fans worked up about all the free stuff — “free” preventive care and “free” checkups and so forth — they would receive if his version of health care reform passed.

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)

Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16
Survey in New England Journal of Medicine Says 46% of US Doctors Will Quit If Obamacare Passes

CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion
Weekly Standard ^ | March 18, 2010 | Jeffrey Anderson

Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:02:44 PM

The numbers are also listed on Rush’s page.

Here is one of the ones he gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!

Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

They may have busied it out, or we overloaded it. Regular numbers are busy too.

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.:

Find your US Senators:

Toll free to the US Senate:

1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)

1-800-417-7666. (English number)

Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Defeat Obamacare call list: Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS

Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!

Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762


CODE RED Contact list

Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

RUSH says to pressure these 2

Charles Wilson, Ohio Toll Free Number 888-706-1833 DC (202) 225-5705 fx: (202) 225-5907, Bridgeport, (740) 633-5705 fx: (740) 633-5727, Canfield, (330) 533-7250 fx: (330) 533-7136 Marietta, : (740) 376-0868 fx: (740) 376-0886 Ironton, (740) 533-9423 fx: (740) 533-9359 Wellsville, 330) 532-3740

Joe Cao DC (202) 225-6636 Fax: (202) 225-1988, NO (504) 483-2325 Fax: (504) 483-7944


Rep. Bart Gordon TN 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986, 931-528-5907, 615-451-5174

Mark Schauer D.C. (202) 225-6276 Fax: (202) 225-6281 Jackson, MI (517) 780-9075
Fax: (517) 780-9081 Toll-Free: (877) 737-6407

Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,

Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871

Dennis Cardoza DC (202) 225-6131, Fax: 225-0819, 800-356-6424, Merced, (209) 383-4455 Fax: 726-1065 Modesto 209) 527-1914 Fax: 527-5748 Modesto, (209) 527-1914

Fax: 527-5748

Jim Costa Fresno 559-495-1620, Fax:559-495-1027, Bakersfeld, 661-869-1620 Fax: 661-869-1027 DC Phone:202-225-3341 Fax: 202-225-9308 Fax (202)225-5745

James Oberstar MN (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234

Gabrielle Giffords AZ (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 8th District

John Boccieri (D), Ohio Voted Yes on Stupak, NO on Health Care.Contact info - DC office (202) 225-3876 - Fax - (202) 225-3059 (330) 489-4414, Local Fax - (330) 489-4448

Betsy Markey DC 202.225.4676, fx. 202.225.5870, Ft. Collins, 970.221.7110fx 970.221.7240, Greeley, 970.351.6007 fx 970.351.6068, Lamar, 719.931.4003
fx 719.931.4005, Sterling, 970.522.0203 fx 970.522.1783

rec’d from — Despite earlier assurances that he was a NO on health care reform and would not change his mind, Rep. Heath Shuler, NC 11, is now undecided.

Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422 Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734 Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email:

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699

Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295

John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)

Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131

Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District

Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District

Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District

John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District

Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District

Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District

Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District

Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District

Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District

Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District

Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District

Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District

John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District

Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District

James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District

Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District

Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District

Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District

Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District

Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District

Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District

Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District

Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District

Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District

John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District

Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District

Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District

Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District

Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District

Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)

Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)

senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE

Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,

Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

Congressional Dems on Twitter

And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!

1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351

35 posted on 03/19/2010 7:13:06 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

My portfolio dropped like a stone today: -1 +%. Only thing that hasn’t gone ‘red’ is large cap blue chips.

Maybe the algos are sending a signal?

36 posted on 03/19/2010 8:38:18 AM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

I think GS and other WS flunky’s have been dry h**ping health care stocks- pump and dump.

Just my 2 cents worth...

37 posted on 03/19/2010 8:40:01 AM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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38 posted on 03/19/2010 9:28:06 AM PDT by opentalk
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The stock-market is heading below march 08’s
levels in a matter of months on the health care bill passing
this market should not be taken seriously
The fool and his money will soon be departed
keep pigging out and what will you eat
after it's all gone.
The banks are fat and the rest of us?
Ohhh Obama where's our bailout!
You should bail out the home owners
and this would keep the ball rolling
you just gave the banks a raft to float on
while America sinks. Great job,
39 posted on 03/19/2010 7:01:13 PM PDT by Lazerlarry
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