Skip to comments.Projections from the House's 'deem to pass' roll call (hope from Michael Barone)
Posted on 03/19/2010 6:59:03 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
Did a search...did not see this one posted. Interesting and hopeful analysis from a guy who makes his living doing this kind of stuff.
Michael Barone is the king of vote analysis, but I lost count of his count.
Anyone able to follow and arrive at a number or a range?
Is that really true? What about Betsey Markey?
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So why didn’t you post the article?
You post claims this is an article by Michael Barone but you sis not post even one word from him.
You are allowed 300 words.
Is this a blog pimp post?
Read the article. It is a very good analysis and definitely encouraging.
I knew Dennis Kookcinich would be a yes vote.....hell he got to ride in Air Force One and watch the uncut version of FINDING NEMO, can’t stop that !
No, it’s not a blog pimp. I guess one excerpt didn’t stand out to me this time. The entire article is worth a read.
Michael Barone always has great analysis and I pray he’s right. I still have hope this bill will come crashing down on Sunday. In the end, the thing politicians care most about is getting re-elected. And voting yes on Obamacare won’t do that.
They have to vote on the rule, right? It has to get a majority also. How is that different than voting on the bill itself, in terms of being accountable for their vote? Just asking.
Here’s the money shot: “This looks like the toughest challenge the House leadership has faced since Nancy Pelosi was elected Speaker in January 2007.”
No difference at all.
Unbelievable pressures must be going on in those on-the-fence districts right now.
That's why I didn't believe the FOX panel's predictions yesterday...anything can happen in those pockets of the country over the next 2 days. I think this still has a good chance of breaking in our favor.
Has the bill been posted online yet? Any chance at having 72 hours to look at it, like the One promised, before the vote?
We have a rogue legislative and executive branch. 150 Years ago the President would have been removed, and hung right there on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Markey will now vote yes. I'm not surprised--she's a left-winger in a fairly conservative district (this is what happens when conservatives stay at home)--but I am angry. I'm going to call her office, but I need to calm down first. We're supposed to be polite when we call, aren't we? I'm not capable of that now.
In reality, there's no difference. In theory, it was supposed to provide a "fig leaf" for vulnerable 'rats to claim that they voted for "reform" but not the Senate bill that actually "passed" and was signed into law.
The exposure of the process may have stripped that fig leaf away, however. Despite Hoyer's inanity, the American public generally frowns on people flagrantly breaking the rules to get what they want. (Bending the rules is often seen as courageous but outright breaking them, not so much.)
So, why didn’t you click on the link? Takes you right to Michael Barone’s article. Take a deep breath and go get a cup of coffee.
Seriously, it’s from the Washington Examiner and she is a blogger?
i did. As I said, I got lost in his count.
They voted on the rule already and they got 228 votes for it.
Sometimes you have to use your eyes to read and your brain to think.
See what clicking link source woud have shown this:
I come to this site to get my news, not to be told that there is a good news article somewhere else on the World Wide Web.
Besides, if you have ever tried to access Washington Examiner from a Blackberry, you would know why I said what I did.
On review near the top he says the leadership is short but I couldn’t find by how much.
My fault with him is that he often makes a presentation with no result. This time he did say they apparently aren’t there yet.
I didn’t even know this took place yesterday.....and I’ve been paying attention. Lord help us.
I had a blackberry.
Got rid of it for just that very reason.
Problem + brain = issue solved.
Damn, I should have asked the mods to put me on the Special Spoon Fed List.
Boccieri of Ohio switched this morning.
No, they did not vote on the rule. They voted on a GOP proposal to prohibit introducing the rule. It's convoluted and somewhat semantic, but there is a difference.
Or better yet, use the posting guidelines and post up to 300 words of the article, instead of blog pimping.
So now they are going to vote on “deeming” it passed? Or are they going to vote on passing the Senate version?
Crap, I hate when I inadvertently pass on wrong info. I apologize.
See #34. I messed up.
I don’t want to get in a pissin’ match with you, my rage concerning the way this crap is being rammed down our throats is spilling over this trivial matter.
But I do want to finish with fact: It wasn’t a blog pimp.
Heres my analysis:
Democrats voted for the rule by a 222-28 margin; all 175 Republicans were opposed. Six members, three Democrats and three Republicans, did not vote; each can be counted on to support his or her party on a final vote.
Of the 28 Democrats voting no, 16 voted against the House health care bill last November: Bright (AL 2), Davis (AL 7), Kosmas (FL 24), Minnick (ID 1), Melancon (LA 3), Kratovil (MD 1), Childers (MS 1), Taylor (MS 4), Adler (NJ 3), Teague (NM 2), McIntyre (NC 7), Shuler (NC 11), Boren (OK 2), Holden (PA 17), Herseth Sandlin (SD 1), Nye (VA 2). To judge from The Hills whip count, almost all of these 16 look like solid noes on the bill, with only Kosmas in doubt. Defying the leadership on a vote on a rule is a pretty clear indication of opposition on the merits. And its going to take a lot of persuading to get a member who has cast two safe-harbor no votes to switch, under the glare of publicity, to yes.
All but Cooper and Michaud face serious election challenges; their no votes may have been cast to give them political cover against yes votes on the final vote, or they may be a sign that theyre ready to switch. But were still seeing only one November no vote switched publicly to yesthat of Dennis Kucinich, one of two Democrats who opposed the House bill from the left (with the other, Eric Massa, no longer in the House).
Weve seen more November yes votes switching publicly to no. Lynch is one I wouldnt have predicted. This looks like the toughest challenge the House leadership has faced since Nancy Pelosi was elected Speaker in January 2007.