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Obamacare passed
The Charleston Daily Mail ^ | March 19, 2010 | Don Surber

Posted on 03/19/2010 11:41:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I hate to tell readers this, but Obamacare passed on Thursday at 2:22 PM.

That was when the House approved the Slaughter solution 222-203.

A vote for Slaughter was a vote for Obamacare. It did not “barely” pass because a few of those abstentions and maybe a couple of the Nos were green-lighted by the party’s leadership.

The stories about the House votes all get the math wrong.

It is not about how many votes Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco needs — it is about how many votes she can shed.

Pelosi is going to pass it 216-215 if she can, allowing more than 30 Democrats (mainly Blue Dogs) off the hook. They will be granted Indulgences by Pope Pelosi to officially vote against it so they can keep their seats.

Willie Brown, the longest serving speaker in California’s history, explained all this in his November 15 column in the San Francisco Chronicle: “If there’s one thing the recent health care vote proves, it’s that Nancy Pelosi is the most focused House speaker since Tip O’Neill. I’m not talking about the merits of the bill that emerged from the House – the debate on that subject is far from over. I’m talking about Pelosi’s behind-the-scenes leadership to get the job done in such a way that at-risk Democrats can still win re-election.

“The pundits portrayed the 220-215 tally and 39 Democratic no votes as signs of Pelosi’s weakness. What they missed was that Pelosi got her majority while letting Democrats from conservative districts off the hook. Nancy knows that the first thing on every Democratic House member’s mind is getting re-elected. In turn, as speaker, her first and foremost job is to ensure they get re-elected.

“She also knows that the most important vote they cast once they are re-elected will be to keep her as speaker. And if that means letting them be a Republican now and then, so be it. That’s not weakness, that’s politics.”

Jeff Zeleny of the New York Times is the only reporter I know of who gets it. He reported: “But as the week inches along, with momentum steadily building to a Sunday vote, the party leaders are also beginning to decide which politically endangered lawmakers will be given absolution to vote no.”

Politics is an art, not a science. It requires little brains, but much cleverness.

It is about power and Mrs. Pelosi wields it well.

The one remaining hurdle for Obamacare — and it could be 20 stories high — is whether Obamacare passes muster under the second paragraph of Section 7 of Article I of the Constitution: “Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.”

In order to make budget reconciliation in the Senate, you need a law. The Senate passed the bill. The House must adopt it and then the president must sign it into law for the Senate to revise it without a cloture vote.

If there is any change — even one word — in the House version from the Senate version, you might not have a law.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; congress; deemandpass; democrats; healthcare; liberalfascism; obama; obamacare; pelosi; slaughter
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Please tell me why millions aren't outside the capitol building with pitchforks, torches, tar and feathers?!
1 posted on 03/19/2010 11:41:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because those of us that are going to be stuck paying for this are at our jobs.
2 posted on 03/19/2010 11:43:59 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I dont think it is a done deal yet


3 posted on 03/19/2010 11:45:51 AM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie

Did you read the article?


4 posted on 03/19/2010 11:47:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: woofie

I’m sick!!! It isn’t a done deal yet, but, I’m still sick.


5 posted on 03/19/2010 11:47:41 AM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: woofie
I agree...This is prelims.....

The vote will be close however.

6 posted on 03/19/2010 11:49:46 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did you read the article?

Are people supposed to read the articles too?

7 posted on 03/19/2010 11:50:25 AM PDT by woofie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Everyone’s working or on FR.


8 posted on 03/19/2010 11:52:29 AM PDT by JenB987 (under God's Spirit she flourishes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

More from Michelle Malkin:

[previous question] is a vote against the Slaughter Solution. ”

Update 2:26pm Eastern. Final vote 222-203 with six not voting. Remember in November.

More from The Hill:

All Republican lawmakers who voted opposed the measure, which had the effect of ending the GOP’s effort to force a vote. They were joined by 28 Democrats, who broke with party members on the vote.

222 Democrats supported the measure, though, meaning enough to proceed. Three members of both parties did not vote.

Republicans had hoped for the separate vote to get Democratic lawmakers on record on the Senate bill, which includes some provisions on abortion, excise taxes, and other issues that House lawmakers find distasteful.

As this stand[s], Democrats plan a vote on a rule on Sunday that would make changes to the Senate-passed bill while deeming the original legislation to have passed the House.

Update 2:46pm Eastern. Here’s the roll call vote.

Those who didn’t vote:

Dem Ackerman
GOP Hastings (WA)
GOP Hoekstra
Dem Lofgren, Zoe
Dem Stark
GOP Westmoreland (Update: Was on his way to ICU for grandson, according to a constituent who contacted his office)

The 28 Dems who joined Republicans in opposing deem-and-pass cramdown:

Adler (NJ)
Arcuri
Boren
Bright
Carney
Childers
Cooper
Costello
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
Giffords
Herseth Sandlin
Holden
Kosmas
Kratovil
Lipinski
McIntyre
McNerney
Melancon
Michaud
Minnick
Mitchell
Nye
Perriello
Shuler
Stupak
Taylor
Teague

Question: Why did Democrats Jason Altmire and Stephen Lynch, who both have voiced public opposition to Deem-and-Pass tactics, support the Slaughter House resolution?

Jim Geraghty breaks out the vulnerable Dems including Altmire and Lynch who cast seppuku votes.

Ace of Spades: “I am getting really worried, because if 222 Democrats voted for this unconstitutional, very-unpopular maneuver, doesn’t that mean that all 222 will also vote for the bill itself? Why vote for this if you’re not going to vote for that?”

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/18/the-house-vote-on-barring-the-slaughter-solution-waiting/


9 posted on 03/19/2010 11:52:34 AM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They will be granted Indulgences by Pope Pelosi to officially vote against it so they can keep their seats.

They won't.

10 posted on 03/19/2010 11:56:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And as much as this guy wants to be a pundit, IF Pelosi had 216 for any bill ( even the Slaughter dance) she would have just voted that. Truth is there are still folks on the fence ( ie waiting to see which way the crap statrs to roll)...


11 posted on 03/19/2010 11:57:48 AM PDT by the long march
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they are forced to pass this Bill with that false method, even though they have a 70 vote majority in the House, it will expose the Bill as a fraud and abomination.


12 posted on 03/19/2010 11:57:59 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't buy it. If this were already a done deal then Zero would not have cancelled his Asia trip. I think he cancelled because they are not yet confident they have the votes.

Also, check out Michael Barone's analysis of this preliminary vote here.
13 posted on 03/19/2010 12:02:59 PM PDT by pb929
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To: MsLady
I'm sick!!! It isn't a done deal yet, but, I'm still sick. I'll second that! I have that ball of nausea in the pit of my stomach.
14 posted on 03/19/2010 12:03:28 PM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’d better tell Rush and the others. They don’t seem to have this secret information.


15 posted on 03/19/2010 12:07:37 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Bluebeard16

Another Easter as sickening as the killing of Teri Schaivo and the taking of Elian Gonzalez


16 posted on 03/19/2010 12:10:08 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Pelosi had 222 votes to pass the Senate bill straight up, SHE WOULD ALREADY HAVE DONE SO.
17 posted on 03/19/2010 12:15:56 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi Tio es infermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: the long march
From the article: I hate to tell readers this, but Obamacare passed on Thursday at 2:22 PM. That was when the House approved the Slaughter solution 222-203. A vote for Slaughter was a vote for Obamacare. It did not “barely” pass because a few of those abstentions and maybe a couple of the Nos were green-lighted by the party’s leadership.
18 posted on 03/19/2010 12:17:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And that is the writer’s take on what the vote for a GOP lead bill means.


19 posted on 03/19/2010 12:20:12 PM PDT by the long march
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Please tell me why millions aren't outside the capitol building with pitchforks, torches, tar and feathers?!

You're on your way, right?

20 posted on 03/19/2010 12:23:59 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: SJSAMPLE

Because those of us that are going to be stuck paying for this are at our jobs.

So true.... This will be the 5th darn Tea party event, plus town halls plus calls, meetings and emails. I wanted to spend time with my family tomorrow and do some yard work but I feel it is important to go to DC. Yes, you are exactly right the only reason conservatives are not there is because liberals don't work and we do!!!"

21 posted on 03/19/2010 12:26:09 PM PDT by mikelets456
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dear American men,

Sack DC...tell them to retire or hang.

It is your duty and obligation.

Signed, your loving wives and children


22 posted on 03/19/2010 12:28:46 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: the long march
And as much as this guy wants to be a pundit, IF Pelosi had 216 for any bill ( even the Slaughter dance) she would have just voted that. Truth is there are still folks on the fence ( ie waiting to see which way the crap statrs to roll)...

Also, it's not as if everyone doesn't already know that certain members get cover to vote against or for something to protect themselves at home.

23 posted on 03/19/2010 12:30:49 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sans-Culotte

exactly. I don’t know if this will pass ( I suspect yes) But darn it we all ought to be acting like stopping it depends on me and me alone. Then when everyone acts like that ,together, we will be unstoppable.


24 posted on 03/19/2010 12:33:05 PM PDT by the long march
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

you first? we have to work for a living? the shooting hasn’t started yet? pick one.


25 posted on 03/19/2010 12:35:18 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; woofie

I’m confused.

I understand the slaughter house passed Thursday and if the democrats use it, then Obamacare has effectively passed unless the consitutional challenges stop it.

What then are the democrats voting on this weekend?


26 posted on 03/19/2010 12:47:56 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: nina0113

I have a mandatory doctor’s appointment tommorrow (heart disease) then I will go from there. And you?


27 posted on 03/19/2010 12:51:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I hate to tell readers this, but Obamacare passed on Thursday at 2:22 PM. That was when the House approved the Slaughter solution 222-203.

NO THEY DIDN'T!!!

Grrr.. this is getting frustrating. There has been NO VOTE on the so-called "Slaughter Solution". This was a preemptive (and not expected to pass) tactic by the GOP to preclude the "Slaughter solution" from even being introduced.

Regardless of how they eventually intend to vote on "Slaughter", members of the majority generally get their hackles up when the minority tries to force rules. The fact that it didn't fail on a nearly straight party-line vote shows how weak the Democrats' position is.

28 posted on 03/19/2010 12:51:57 PM PDT by kevkrom (Hey, IRS: can I simply "deem" my taxes paid instead of paying them?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If process doesn’t matter, and the Constitution isn’t worth the paper it is written on, our options become infinite.


29 posted on 03/19/2010 12:57:31 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Obamacare had REALLY passed, as the author of this article claims, we would be hearing nothing but Breaking News butt-ins on TV since Thursday afternoon.

He must be doing one of those push things liberals like to do just before an election is decided in order to make it appear as though their side is ahead.

30 posted on 03/19/2010 1:00:36 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Bluebeard16

....Im sick, sick.....

Dont worry you will be all better under Obamacare!


31 posted on 03/19/2010 1:07:25 PM PDT by mono
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To: Slyfox

He’s not a Lefty, so why would he do that?


32 posted on 03/19/2010 1:13:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: pb929
I don't buy it. If this were already a done deal then Zero would not have cancelled his Asia trip

He canceled it so he can sign the bill and send it to the Senate to pass the "fix" before the Easter recess. That may not happen w the planned GOP delay tricks, but that is his reason.

33 posted on 03/19/2010 1:14:32 PM PDT by montag813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Right after spending the morning at the abortion clinic prayer vigil. Since I printed up a shirt which says “Don’t make the mistake I made”, I feel that my witness there is important too.


34 posted on 03/19/2010 1:16:52 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: mikelets456
I wanted to spend time with my family tomorrow and do some yard work but I feel it is important to go to DC.

No kidding. I've written, called, appeared in person multiple times since last summer and my house is falling down around my ears because I just don't have any more time. I am exhausted, and I am livid at all the summer soldiers telling everyone else to go, but they're too busy. SO AM I, dammit!!!

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more.

35 posted on 03/19/2010 1:22:27 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they “secretly” had the votes for this mess, the vote would have already been taken and the thing passed. The Slaughter nonsense would be out along with the rest of the fraud and deceit. A hell of a lot can happen in DC in a few days and Hussein and the rest of the radical, fascist left would NOT take any chances if they had the enslavement of the American people in their hands.


36 posted on 03/19/2010 1:25:49 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What they missed was that Pelosi got her majority while letting Democrats from conservative districts off the hook.

Sorry, but these Deems can't be this stupid. They have to know that their re-election chances in November already are slim, regardless of what happens with this monstrosity. They aren't being let off the hook, they are being led to the gallows.

37 posted on 03/19/2010 1:31:39 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (ClimateScandal.org)
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To: nina0113

Hang in there... I feel the same way. I love my wife and kids, I love my God and I love my Freedom. I remember watching “The Patriot” 2-3 years ago and thinking to myself “That really stinks that this guy has to be away from his family for all this time...” it was strange that thought went through my mind, I think God was telling me something. Then I went on to thinking... “I guess for freedom it has to be done...”

Without freedom I won’t be able to spend time with my family, enjoy my life or Worship God when and where I want. Yup, a day here and there certainly is a small price to pay in the entire scope of things.


38 posted on 03/19/2010 1:37:41 PM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Bluebeard16

I am sick , like you feels like a big knot in my stomach. I’m trying not to worry. Once we’ve done all we know to do, trust God, stand back and watch Him fight our battles. I have faith that He is in control. No matter what we see, or how we feel, doesn’t change that. Pray, just pray!!!


39 posted on 03/19/2010 1:43:17 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Not us, YOU. I have no intention of paying a single cent. I will not submit, I will not comply. end of story.


40 posted on 03/19/2010 1:45:51 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Go ahead, pass it you bastards, I will NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Not us, YOU. I have no intention of paying a single cent. I will not submit, I will not comply. end of story.


41 posted on 03/19/2010 1:45:52 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Go ahead, pass it you bastards, I will NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good question. This power grab to turn the U.S. into a fascist dictatorship is just the beginning. Once these skunks succeed in ruling by fiat, they will stop at nothing. Next up: Cap & Tax, then Mex-Peasant Amnesty. Last stop will come this November, when Comrade Zero dismisses ACORN and SEIU gangsterism at the polls and “deems” the mid-term elections to have returned the sitting Democrat majority.

Democrats are so corrupting America’s political process that sooner or later honest citizens will have to take direct, collective action in their personal defense. The form such action takes remains to be seen; but Obama’s cancerous tyranny will metasticize, and we will find ourselves at the point of no return: liberty or death. I do not advocate violence. I do support effective resistance as necessary to protect our Constitutional government, and through it our lives and freedom, from malicious destruction by this odious gang of thugs.


42 posted on 03/19/2010 1:46:08 PM PDT by Tulsa Jack (Tulsa Jack)
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To: All
TEXAS GOV PERRY IS ASKING FOR OUR HELP TO DEFEAT OBAMACARE.

Please help us. .

Last evening, Governor Rick Perry conducted a telephone town hall meeting.

Our residence was one of the ones chosen to participate with questions re; Obamacare.

My father took the call, and he said that Perry indicated that no way in h*ll was Texas going to be screwed over with Obamacare.

He said that Perry said that the first order of business for the next 72 hours was to go to the governor's site, get a list of representative and call. http://www.rickperry.org/

Please help out!

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43 posted on 03/19/2010 1:50:05 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: nina0113

Good, glad to hear it. Thank you!


44 posted on 03/19/2010 2:04:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought there was a big difference between going along w/a procedural vote and saying yes to what’s coming on Sunday.


45 posted on 03/19/2010 2:07:11 PM PDT by RAR
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To: eccentric
Greetings eccentric:

Another Easter as sickening as the killing of Teri Schaivo and the taking of Elian Gonzalez

Spot on. Needing a puke bucket.

OLA

46 posted on 03/19/2010 2:18:35 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others cite your source.)
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To: kevkrom

Greetings kevkrom:

Thanks for inserting key facts concerning what the purpose of the vote was, into the thread.

Cheers,
OLA


47 posted on 03/19/2010 2:21:35 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others cite your source.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
IMHO, Anyone that voted for either the House or Senate bill whether it passed or not is in danger of losing their seat come November.

Unless they are in a solid Commie district.

I've been swamped with iquiries from friends that have up until this point been totally apolitical asking what the hell is going on and what it means.

My response has been to email them links to FreeRepublic Threads that deal with the issues they inquire about.

48 posted on 03/19/2010 4:00:18 PM PDT by HP8753 (Live Free!!!! .............or don't.)
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To: nina0113

I will be on Saturday.

I figure I’ll stand in front of the Capitol building and ready the Declaration of Independence (from an overreaching Washington).


49 posted on 03/19/2010 8:56:10 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Lazamataz; All

“They won’t.”

___________________________________________

From your lips to God’s ears. Tears are filling my eyes as I read this.

What makes me even more mad is that there are many people, educated people such as lawyers and accountants, who are extremely busy this time of year. I’ve spoken to friends of mine who were not aware—too busy. They would otherwise have the time to know about this, to be involved. But April 15 is coming up.

And yet, they’re the ones paying taxes. I’m starting to think this is not a coincidence.


50 posted on 03/19/2010 9:08:42 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (my former tagline "We can, and we will prevail" doesn't fit with the usurper's goals.)
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