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North Koreans fear the country is on the verge of a new famine
The Times(UK) ^ | 03/20/10 | Jane Macartney

Posted on 03/20/2010 5:52:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

March 20, 2010

North Koreans fear the country is on the verge of a new famine

Jane Macartney, Tumen

Once again, rice has disappeared from tables in North Korea. A famine looms and — as happened in the 1990s — millions could die.

Desperation is stamped on the faces of those few who have braved barbed-wire fences, armed guards and patrols to slip into neighbouring China. They seek food over freedom.

The Times met four women in a safe house in China this week who fled recently across the frontier. They described despair in North Korea at the growing prospect of starvation in the Stalinist state. The youngest, only 16, crossed the frozen river last month. The other three, in their 50s, left last year and were tight-lipped about how they got out because they must go back to help the families they left behind.

While snow falls outside, Choi Kum Ok squats on the floor of an anonymous apartment not far from the border. Her eyes fill with tears as she talks of the son she had to leave behind. “I came over to earn money for his medical care. I need to get him food or he will starve.”

She covers her face and sobs as she remembers the 1990s, when harvests failed and up to 10 per cent of the population starved. She lost a sibling. “I don’t want to talk about it,” she says.

A former security guard and member of the elite ruling Workers' Party, she cannot understand how the leaders that she still worships could have failed their people so completely.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: currencyreform; famine; nkorea
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1 posted on 03/20/2010 5:52:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

P!


2 posted on 03/20/2010 5:53:15 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
... she cannot understand how the leaders that she still worships could have failed their people so completely.

WTF?

3 posted on 03/20/2010 5:55:17 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

You can run this same headline every year.


4 posted on 03/20/2010 5:56:19 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Chicoms could raise my estimation of them considerably by going in there and cleaning house.


5 posted on 03/20/2010 5:57:15 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

More names to be added to the Death Book of Communism. I really do not understand how any rational person can be a self-described Marxist when one sees the results on the Korean peninsula.


6 posted on 03/20/2010 5:59:27 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

When the people die, there is more for the rulers


7 posted on 03/20/2010 5:59:32 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Kim looks well fed though:


8 posted on 03/20/2010 6:03:05 AM PDT by reg45
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A new famine?

When did the old one end?


9 posted on 03/20/2010 6:04:57 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: beef

Maybe they could relieve some of their Taiwan angst by invading NK, then everyone would be happy.


10 posted on 03/20/2010 6:05:58 AM PDT by yooling ( FUBO)
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To: Red in Blue PA
That is true. Every year, the sick and infirm die due to lack of food. Only that this time around, Chia Head shot himself in the foot and made things worse. More will die of starvation this year than in previous several years. The current estimate of starvation deaths appears to be about a few thousands, based on stories coming out of N. Korea in a last couple of months.
11 posted on 03/20/2010 6:10:34 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The U.N. HQ should move there. Problem solved.


12 posted on 03/20/2010 6:12:00 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: DuncanWaring
The bear rally(spurred by ‘stimulus food’ from outside) is over, and the second dip of the double-dip is beginning.
13 posted on 03/20/2010 6:12:37 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I can't help but think that when N. Korea finally falls, we will all be appalled by the stories that emanate from there and wish that we had done more to hasten that regime's demise - not unlike those who were left to wonder if they could have done more to stop the Holocaust. Truly that nation is a hell on Earth.
14 posted on 03/20/2010 6:13:09 AM PDT by americanophile (DeMint/Ryan '10)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I will say it again as I have in other starving North Korean posts.

Instead of shipping them food air drop a few hundred thousand small handguns with extra magazines and ammo so at least the North Korean population has a fighting chance to take their country back from the insane ones running it.


15 posted on 03/20/2010 6:13:22 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: pnh102

They are completely brain-washed. There was an article recently posted here by Hitchens (I think) about NK. It was astonishing! Just did a search, and couldn’t find it.


16 posted on 03/20/2010 6:13:42 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is an example of how socialism/government doesn’t work.

Show this to idiot democrat/marxists who want this for America.

Democrats/Marxists are putting the U.S. on the road to becoming

why has no government ever created a product we can hold in our hands? because they can’t create a quality product efficiently and once we the people hold the government cell phone in our hand we will know that it is trash and so that government/socialism doesn’t work and that government idiots should not be allowed to do a damn thing as now they have fooled us into allowing them to do $3.4 trillion dollars per year worth of government programs which produce nothing , no quality products , not a damn thing.

And then you add the trillions of dollars that local, city, county, parish, state, governments waste in the same way.

no government, be it local, city, state, federal can compete with a for profit private company in producing tangible products we can hold in our hands. government can’t produce cars, cell phones, electronic products, tvs, computers, washing machines, nothing and if they try it will be trash and be done thousands of times less efficiently than private for profit companies can.

Why are democrats/marxists/liberals so dumb they can’t see this?


17 posted on 03/20/2010 6:14:22 AM PDT by Democrat_media (why has no government ever created a product we can hold in our hands?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

This is an example of how socialism/government doesn’t work.

Show this to idiot democrat/marxists who want this for America.

Democrats/Marxists are putting the U.S. on the road to becoming

why has no government ever created a product we can hold in our hands? because they can’t create a quality product efficiently and once we the people hold the government cell phone in our hand we will know that it is trash and so that government/socialism doesn’t work and that government idiots should not be allowed to do a damn thing as now they have fooled us into allowing them to do $3.4 trillion dollars per year worth of government programs which produce nothing , no quality products , not a damn thing.

And then you add the trillions of dollars that local, city, county, parish, state, governments waste in the same way.

no government, be it local, city, state, federal can compete with a for profit private company in producing tangible products we can hold in our hands. government can’t produce cars, cell phones, electronic products, tvs, computers, washing machines, nothing and if they try it will be trash and be done thousands of times less efficiently than private for profit companies can.

Why are democrats/marxists/liberals so dumb they can’t see this?


18 posted on 03/20/2010 6:14:43 AM PDT by Democrat_media (why has no government ever created a product we can hold in our hands?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Kim and his thugs laugh at us saying “look it worked again, we let a few hundred thousand superfluous people starve and the west sends us more food to feed our army.”


19 posted on 03/20/2010 6:16:05 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“They seek food over freedom. “

No, they seek food, and relatively more freedom. PRAY FOR THEM.


20 posted on 03/20/2010 6:16:28 AM PDT by daniel1212 ("Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved")
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To: pnh102

Neither can Americans!


21 posted on 03/20/2010 6:18:37 AM PDT by omega4179 (Pelosi: We Must Pass Obamacare So Artists Can Quit Their Day Jobs)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

In the modern vernacular...


22 posted on 03/20/2010 6:18:57 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: americanophile
I agree. Lots of information came out of N. Korea in recent years, but they tell only small aspect of the whole story. When the whole thing laid bare to the world in near future, the world would see it in its full scope, including things even few N. Koreans have been aware of. Truly, what we are seeing is the tip of iceberg, IMHO.

Those who insisted on appeasing N. Korea, confident that it is intellectually superior way, would face the real prospect that they would be viewed as accomplice to inhumanity for next 50 years.

23 posted on 03/20/2010 6:22:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: pnh102
I agree. WTF?

Then again, she's probably brainwashed and ignorant of history. Famine has been used very effectively by communists.

24 posted on 03/20/2010 6:25:07 AM PDT by grimalkin (This paper by its very length defends itself against the risk of being read. - Winston Churchill)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A NEW famine? That’s funny!


25 posted on 03/20/2010 6:27:01 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A Ceaucescu-style retirement is overdue for the Korean monster Kim.

“One Head - One Pike!”


26 posted on 03/20/2010 6:31:23 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: Democrat_media
Why are democrats/marxists/liberals so dumb they can’t see this?

In a Communist country, the regular people starve, but the elite live like nobility.

A planned economy is most attractive to those with the arrogance to think they will be part of the planning class.

27 posted on 03/20/2010 6:35:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: HD1200
Instead of shipping them food air drop a few hundred thousand small handguns with extra magazines and ammo so at least the North Korean population has a fighting chance to take their country back from the insane ones running it.

That's an excellent suggestion.

28 posted on 03/20/2010 6:38:41 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (A gentleman in the drawing room; a rapist in the boudoir.)
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To: PapaBear3625

yeah that’s true , the elite, the politician democrats believe they will be ok even if the population is starving.

but what i mean is the 100 million registered democrats , the every day idiots who actually believe government works as they are always wanting government solutions to problems created by too much government regulation. I mean they see no government is creating products we can hold in our hand and they don’t wonder why but still trust the idiot politicians and goverment to be able to take care of them, solve problems, produce etc.

that’s why i say democrats/liberals and the media are stupid.


29 posted on 03/20/2010 6:41:35 AM PDT by Democrat_media (why has no government ever created a product we can hold in our hands?)
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To: C19fan
But just think how small their carbon footprint must be. They are Great Fraternal Citizens of the World!
30 posted on 03/20/2010 6:49:36 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: TigerLikesRooster
That is true. Every year, the sick and infirm die due to lack of food.

By now you'd think they would have evolved into a new, fuel-efficient species of supermen....

31 posted on 03/20/2010 6:53:31 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Democrat_media
why has no government ever created a product we can hold in our hands?

Utterly simplistic ... and incorrect.

I'm sure you enjoy your GPS-based technology, for example. Or jet propelled airplanes. And no doubt you like to use highways and Interstates....

And since government contracts out to "private" industry to the tune of hundreds of billions yearly, there is at best a blurry line between them.

Ditch the ideology, FRiend.

32 posted on 03/20/2010 6:57:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

http://www.slate.com/id/2243112/

A Nation of Racist Dwarfs

I imagine the former Socialist (who took a lot of heat for his defection) Hitchens is a bit too Globalist for most readers of this site, but he always makes a coherent argument. His argument for the Iraq war was that Hussein was a dictator who should be removed from power so that people could be free, rather than that he was a threat to the U.S.


33 posted on 03/20/2010 6:58:22 AM PDT by B.Lyle
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To: grimalkin; omega4179; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

The fact that these people are so brainwashed shows why any attempt at reunifying with South Korea will be a total disaster for both countries. The people of the North are so accustomed to being taken care of that they would never last five minutes in a capitalist country. And if South Korea has a generous welfare state, taking on everyone in the North will destroy that country.


34 posted on 03/20/2010 7:00:13 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: grimalkin

a good film to see is:
National Geographic - Inside North Korea

These doctors go to north korea to treat the poor
suffering fools for cataract blindness (And train
North Korean Doctors in the simple procedure-takes less than 15 minutes)- the film crew was able to sneek in as
a “ hospital team” -recording the surgeries)- scary country-

How about this- if you do not have a picture of the dear Leader posted correctly- you are Gone!- into the Gulag you go!- the film is a real eye opener.


35 posted on 03/20/2010 7:00:21 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: B.Lyle

Great! You found it! I’m a “search dummy.” Everyone should read that article.


36 posted on 03/20/2010 7:03:12 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: mj1234

also- cataract blindness is caused by bad diet-

And these doctors went for FREE- paid for everything!
the trip ,food, medical supplies. They do this as a
humanitarian endeavor.


37 posted on 03/20/2010 7:04:55 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They need to make a law against famine. That would fix it.


38 posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:32 AM PDT by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Hey Kim! Just blame Bush. Everyone else does.


39 posted on 03/20/2010 7:08:42 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

It’s not so much I found it, I just had trouble forgetting where it was, as much as I would have liked to.


40 posted on 03/20/2010 7:08:46 AM PDT by B.Lyle
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To: r9etb

bs. list what government products like cars, computers, cell phones are competing against private for profit companies now , today. i’m waiting. Oh yes here is my U.S. government made cell phone.LOL. NOT. government works too slowly , red tape, they could never obtain the knowledge correctly enough or in time to manage the millions of interactions in an industry or economy and get it back to the companies/workers in time for it to work even if government idiots were trying and accountable in the first place. see there is no freedom in government . in the free market you have small business owners making their own decisions with information at hand which a far away government idiot could never obtain in time or correctly enough in a socialist/marxist/communist/government controlled economy. see some far away government idiot makes the decicions, approves requests for equipment etc.

government/socialim doesn’t work.

some governnment agencies now in the U.S. yeah they use private construction companies to create their buildings, they buy computers made by private companies, software made by microsoft, installed by network companies and u call that government working? get a clue.

read hayek , freidman.

just to manufacture a pencil it requires the competition, bidding, and cooperation of thousands of people and hundreds of private companies, like logging companies, graphite mining companies, rubber companies, saw companies for the logging companies, and all the equipment manufacturers for these various companies and so on . a single or a few government idiots could never manage this as government works through slow red tape, command not cooperation, and the knowledge needed to plan all these companies and thousands of interactions which are constantly changing could never be obtained by a government official in time to be able to ever work.


41 posted on 03/20/2010 7:14:47 AM PDT by Democrat_media (why has no government ever created a product we can hold in our hands?)
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To: Democrat_media
You're an ideologue who cannot see the truth as it smacks him in the head. How many government-funded and government-created services do you use every day? A shitload, that's how many. Your electricity. Your roads. The GPS signal you use. Government invented the communications satellites that carry most of your communications. There are entire industries built around government-funded efforts.

We can and do agree on the principle that the government should stay out of commercial ventures; but to claim as you do that government produces nothing of use ... that is quite simply false.

The problem with claiming otherwise, as you do, is that it is so clearly simplistic and false, that it leads you to make stupid comments; and it makes thinking people dismiss whatever else you have to say.

42 posted on 03/20/2010 7:24:40 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: B.Lyle

I’m sure I got the link to the article here on FR. But when I tried to search for it, nothing came up.


43 posted on 03/20/2010 7:31:38 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: r9etb

go ahead name the government cell phone now competing with cell phones from private for profit companies

go ahead name the government car now competing with private for profit companies’ cars

go ahead name the government chip now competing with Intel, Ibm chips?

i’m waiting. if you can’t then you prove me right. and you can’t.


44 posted on 03/20/2010 7:34:30 AM PDT by Democrat_media (why has no government ever created a product we can hold in our hands?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They could take microscopic comfort in the fact that the rest of the world is rushing to join them on that score.


45 posted on 03/20/2010 7:36:25 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Ah, see that is where I have an advantage; I’ve seen Hitchens at work elsewhere. Here’s an intersting talk he gave in Canada where he was discussing his opposition to their new hate speech law. It’s several videos but you should be able to find the rest from the first one. Watertight logical arguments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU


46 posted on 03/20/2010 7:51:50 AM PDT by B.Lyle
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To: B.Lyle

Thanks! Saving for later.


47 posted on 03/20/2010 7:53:32 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How do you know when the old famine ends and the new one begins?


48 posted on 03/20/2010 7:55:30 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It’s what happens when ideological demands trump the truth.

Sounds just like Obamacare to me.


49 posted on 03/20/2010 8:57:48 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: TigerLikesRooster

OH OH I hear from Aussie Age wire that be worst than 1990s famine back in da day


50 posted on 03/20/2010 9:01:38 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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