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LIVE HEALTH CARE THREAD ~ SATURDAY & SUNDAY
20 March 2010

Posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:53 AM PDT by SE Mom

Edited on 03/21/2010 5:00:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

10 AM Rules Committee meeting (C-span2 LIVE all day)

11 AM Stupak press conference

12 PM Demonstration at the Capitol

3 PM Obama meets with the Democratic caucus

Sunday
2 p.m.: The House will debate for one hour the rules of debate for the reconciliation bill and the Senate bill.

3 p.m.: The House will vote to end debate and vote on the rules of the debate.

3:15 p.m.: The House will debate the reconciliation package for two hours.

5:15 p.m.: The House will vote on the reconciliation package.

5:30 p.m.: The House will debate for 15 minutes on a Republican substitute and then vote on the substitute.

6 p.m.: The House will vote on the final reconciliation package.

6:15 p.m.: If the reconciliation bill passes, the House will immediately vote on the Senate bill, without debate.


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To: onyx

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/03/senate-fight-starts-gop-says-senate-parliamentarian-will-kill-fixits-bill.html


4,251 posted on 03/21/2010 3:50:13 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: CincyRichieRich

Excuse me if this sounds bitch but get our your constitution and read how Amendments are passed. It’s clear, specific and a few paragraphs long.


4,252 posted on 03/21/2010 3:50:27 PM PDT by Brytani (Will someone PLEASE give Obama a Monica so we can impeach him?)
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To: Palladin
Pray as if everything depends on God.

ACT as if everything depends on YOU!

YES!!!!

4,253 posted on 03/21/2010 3:50:40 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: KC Burke

Dang, well then we should all walk out anyway...imagine the pictures of the Dems standing there all alone, passing their crap sandwich of hellthcare...


4,254 posted on 03/21/2010 3:50:48 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO!)
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To: All

Just announced the Boy King will address the nation tonight after this most historic vote. I’d jump out my window but I live on the ground floor.


4,255 posted on 03/21/2010 3:50:51 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Cheryllynn
Maybe this site should change to “Lost Republic”

Overthrown by Marxists.

4,256 posted on 03/21/2010 3:50:56 PM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: Quix

Running behind schedule


4,257 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Tuxedo

I wouldn’t bet on having elections this Nov.

They may schedule WWIII before then . . . and have a list of reasons to cancel it . . . with martial law implemented to make sure it sticks.

Besides . . . they have lots of holding pens to temporarily stuff dissenters in . . . temporarily . . . before their permanent ‘solution.’


4,258 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:03 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RoseofTexas

I think obamacare may be killed off state by state not too sure how all that works however.


4,259 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:10 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: sloop

He’s a moron.


4,260 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:12 PM PDT by HonestConservative (When Injustice becomes law, resistence becomes duty. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: JouleZ
Oh, so in reality, when I get free stuff I don’t need from the gov’t and then sell the stuff, I get taxed, which means I’m really not getting anything for free! mmmm mmmm mmmm

Mistake #1: There is no free stuff from the government. I know you know that, but in the last month I have had to explain this to 4 people who should know better.

Until they pay wages in cash and have a Matthew the tax collector stand by and demand you hand over 40-50% of your earning, a lot of people will never get it.

4,261 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:18 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: Dinah Lord

Jackson should NEVER be allowed to compare himself to MLK, Jr. — for him to do so is blasphemy. NOTHING Jackson has done in his life since King was murdered kept the dream alive — they repackaged the dream, turned it into a nightmare, and now people are more divided by race and gender than ever before. And, as far as any “slurs” - I do call BS as well - but then few people deserve to be regarded in that way. Jackson is one that DESERVES that label, IMHO (his picture should be next to the definition in the dictionary - the ARCHAIC definition of the word and NOT the “slur” definition).


4,262 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:24 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Cheryllynn

But that’s the US, not FR.


4,263 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:31 PM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: HonestConservative

I think there’s something seriously wrong with me.

I don’t buy/patronize any of the products/companies on that list.

I do live pretty simply. Easier that way.


4,264 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:35 PM PDT by upchuck (Moslem terrorists kill not because of what they experience but because of what they believe.)
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To: Brytani

Its the 38 that worries me.


4,265 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:44 PM PDT by HonestConservative (When Injustice becomes law, resistence becomes duty. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SE Mom

My husband’s Aunt died in Canada, because she had to wait for the surgery that would have saved her life.


4,266 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:44 PM PDT by sissyjane (He had a dream. We got a nightmare!)
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To: butterdezillion

Ooooh! He’s a M.D. That’s a good get. Stupak is dumb. This could be very interesting!


4,267 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:53 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: GRRRRR
Charles Krauthammer on Fox All Star Panel says that Obozo, er Obama will be remembered as the Father of Nationalized Health Care...in a very, very bad way.

Well, Charles didn't have many negative things to say about Zero during the campaign.

Didn't he hear him promising socialized medicine the whole way?

4,268 posted on 03/21/2010 3:51:56 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Quix

6 p.m.: The House will vote on the final reconciliation package.

6:15 p.m.: If the reconciliation bill passes, the House will immediately vote on the Senate bill, without debate.

Then Senate has to debate Tuesday...it is not over.


4,269 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:00 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What I can’t grasp then, is why the guy continues to be reluctant to trash that plan. Seriously. I’ve seen him interviewed on the subject and he still thought it could be morphed to become healthy. I can’t take the guy serious.


4,270 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: rodguy911

Thanks rodguy911 - seriously look at what a pathetic wimp mccain was during his campaign. He should have been SHREDDING obambi on all of his BS regardless of whether it flattered McCain or not. His “gracious manners” put an honest-to-goodness enemy of America into the White House. In 2012, we don’t get fooled again (hello Who theme song for RNC convention) — by neither Marxist Dems nor Rino-wimp Pubs.


4,271 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:08 PM PDT by gopwhit
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To: GRRRRR

This guy is just unbelievable.

Throwing around pseudo numbers and just manufacturing lie after lie.


4,272 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:15 PM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: Quix

Hoyer is just babbling lies right now to tell us how wonderful this is going to be...


4,273 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:16 PM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: Miss Didi
Just announced the Boy King will address the nation tonight after this most historic vote. I’d jump out my window but I live on the ground floor.

LOL!

Thanks for the laugh!

4,274 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:20 PM PDT by tapatio (In memory of my Dad 5-27-26 2-4-2010)
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To: caww

Well that’s my take. It sure does.


4,275 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: Sprite518
To show government growth you have to show a significant increase in the number of government agencies or of government workers. but I guess that is beyond you. Anyone can show the dollar amount which has no validity because of inflation, population growth, military spending ,population growth etc. anyone can spin and play with numbers to show all kinds of lies. There are 3 kinds of lies, lies , damn lies and statistics. That's why i said for you to simply show how the number of agencies tripled or how the number of government workers tripled since you lied and said Republicans tripled the size of government and that Bush grew the government more than anyone ,FDR blah blah blah. yeah right all lies. All you have to do is that the number of government employees tripled per population to back up your lie but i disproved your lie by showing that graph that shows the number of government workers decreased not tripled like you said wrongly:
4,276 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:43 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Why is no government creating a product we can hold in our hands like a cell phone..?)
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To: GRRRRR

What I have always asked is—what health care are the Drive Bys and their families going to have? Barry’s Deathcare?


4,277 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:43 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: backwoods-engineer; All

The Mouth of Sauron (Hoyer) is now talking about all the money we’ll “save” with FascistCare. This day will live in infamy.


4,278 posted on 03/21/2010 3:52:53 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer ("It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." --Jefferson)
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To: All

This is just the start of their out of control power trip—they will be empowered to do even more to us if this passes-—they will do all they can to pass every single liberal radical idea they have while they still have the chance, its like a murderer, once they kill one why not more than one, what do they have to lose now?


4,279 posted on 03/21/2010 3:53:01 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: caww

I’m quite familiar with that very understandable feeling.

A fellow at church said he’d read of someone’s prediction that a certain traitor was going to be . . . targeted . . . by some unknown group or whatever . . . and would end up with a conversion experience. I’m exceedingly skeptical but glad to pray for it, if possible.

Trouble is, I’d think that the handlers would be happy to take said person out more emphatically short of angelic protection.

And as of the present, it’s NOT the good angels involved.


4,280 posted on 03/21/2010 3:53:05 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: All
The speech I wish some House Conservative would give on the floor today:

Madame Speaker, I rise to speak to those few remaining undecideds on this so called health care reform bill upon which we will vote this evening.

I am not speaking to those that have already cast their lot with and sold their souls to a failed leftist ideology; for all the evidence of history is lost on them.

I am not speaking to those that believe that this bill “reduces deficits” or “creates jobs”; for any appeals to logic and rationality are likewise lost. I only need to point to the eerily similar utopian promises made for Medicare and Medicaid that now are bankrupting our country and states as evidence of their folly.

No. I am speaking to those few that for whatever reason remain undecided as to how they will vote. I want to crystallize for you possibly the only reason to vote “No.”

There comes a time in everyone’s life when one reaches a fork in the road, and the path you decide to take will define you for evermore. This is such a time. However you vote, please understand that not only you but your progeny will bear the result in more ways than one.

You have to know that this bill is wrong; otherwise, you would have already decided. Your conflict is whether you are strong enough--man or women enough--to do the right thing then withstand the scorn of the powerbrokers in your party, including our President.

I’ll admit that this is an unenviable reality, but let me impress upon you an even more frightening reality. If you vote “Yes” despite believing the consequences will be potentially devastating for your state and country, then you will have to live the rest of your days looking into the eyes of your spouse and children with them knowing that you were too weak to stand up for what you believed in when this defining moment arrived. Oh, their love will still be unconditional, but their respect for you will be forever diminished. Even if your children are too young to understand now, your partner will know; and some day, so will they. Even worse, they will have to bear your stain—at school, at the grocery, and at any gathering of friends and family.

Myself, I would prefer that those that I love were able to proudly defend my vote and honor knowing that I stood on principle when history called, rather than being reduced to spouting campaign talking points all the while knowing in their heart of hearts that the truth was that I was a coward.

I don’t envy your choice.
I yield back what I am afraid is the balance of America’s time.
4,281 posted on 03/21/2010 3:53:06 PM PDT by Dr. Free Market (Do the right thing, and let the chips fall where they may.)
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To: LibertyRocks
Jackson should NEVER be allowed to compare himself to MLK, Jr. — for him to do so is blasphemy.

Hear, hear!

4,282 posted on 03/21/2010 3:53:07 PM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: RummyChick

And Charles just said the exact same thing !!!!!!!


4,283 posted on 03/21/2010 3:53:17 PM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: upchuck

See. It can be done.

If someone finds the list that supports CNN, Time, Newsweek, et al., please let me know.


4,284 posted on 03/21/2010 3:53:17 PM PDT by HonestConservative (When Injustice becomes law, resistence becomes duty. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Miss Didi

Just announced the Boy King will address the nation tonight after this most historic vote. I’d jump out my window but I live on the ground floor

.......LOL


4,285 posted on 03/21/2010 3:53:38 PM PDT by Cheryllynn
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To: DonaldC

“The dems/obama are simply doing what they promised. I’m not sure the next election will be the landslide we need.”

Could be. But, seems like a lot of people voted for O as a novelty, to get a black my in the highest office — thinking that he would be centrist, like Clinton.

Now he as proven to be a Marxist. So, hopefully there will be stinging backlash.

I can dream, can’t I?


4,286 posted on 03/21/2010 3:53:46 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: Quix

Not yet!

PRAY !!!!


4,287 posted on 03/21/2010 3:54:17 PM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: goodnesswins

I’m on to you Steny...you mask your desire to get at that pot of money the taxpayers provide to you with phony words about helping the downtrodden. That’s been going on for decades. I believe you and your fellow Dems have pushed it too far this time. You are totally misreading the American people....


4,288 posted on 03/21/2010 3:54:45 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Even reading my post you are responding to . . . sorry . . . but I don’t quite get your meaning.

Would you be willing to spell it out a bit more plainly, please?


4,289 posted on 03/21/2010 3:54:47 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: HonestConservative

Juan Williams like a LOT of other morons think that if you make an insurer cover pre-existing conditions what you have is insurance. You don’t.


4,290 posted on 03/21/2010 3:54:50 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (GIVE ME YOUR MONEY B***!! - President Obama)
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To: SE Mom

It's time to secede!

4,291 posted on 03/21/2010 3:54:56 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: gopwhit

SO TRUE! It seems that the GOP is filled with wimps — with rare exceptions like Michelle Bachmann for instance.

I’ve read MANY horror stories - babies left to die because they are a “day” too young to be born. Disabled people being allowed to die in ambulances because the state doesn’t want to pay for their hospitalizations... Etc... Etc... Probably too late now though.


4,292 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:01 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: BCrago66

Dream on. They’ll never repeal.


4,293 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:06 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: TornadoAlley3

If it’s not over why is Barry going to address the nation at 10 p.m. tonight?


4,294 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:11 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Dinah Lord

NOT going to watch Marxist-in-Chief.

I plan to pour a strong drink.


4,295 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:17 PM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: goodnesswins

Dow Futures down -60 a few minutes after the vote. Stampede out of the CUSA Monday.


4,296 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:21 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: Miss Didi
Just announced the Boy King will address the nation tonight after this most historic vote. Words fail me.
4,297 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:24 PM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: DoughtyOne

I think it will be Sarah Palin anyhow


4,298 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Textide

A lone Democrat has besmirched out reputation, we’ll fix that come November.


4,299 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:33 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude
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To: sissyjane

Remember this day, because, this will be the start of the “DEATH of AMERICA”.

Screw You Hoyer!


4,300 posted on 03/21/2010 3:56:04 PM PDT by redshawk
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