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LIVE HEALTH CARE THREAD ~ SATURDAY & SUNDAY
20 March 2010

Posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:53 AM PDT by SE Mom

Edited on 03/21/2010 5:00:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: AliVeritas

So superficial is the DFL. The exposure of Stupak shows it.


7,451 posted on 03/21/2010 10:40:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Many related trend lines

NECESSARILY

appear destined to peak well before then.


7,452 posted on 03/21/2010 10:41:27 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Welcome to Obamacare.

The death toll from national health care goes on and on.

From Australian news outlet ABC: Notice how the government official never admits to what is going on.
Claim patients dying because of hospital wait times
Posted Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:14am AEST
Updated Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:02am AEST

Queensland Health Minister Stephen Robertson says he is not aware that any Queenslanders have died because of a shortage of public hospital beds.

The Queensland head of the Australasian College for Emergency Medicine, Dr Sylvia Andrew-Starkey, says emergency patients have died because of access problems.

"We have had a couple of deaths that I know of that are attributable to waiting time," she said.

Mr Robertson says he is shocked by the claim and he is not aware of any deaths.

7,453 posted on 03/21/2010 10:41:50 PM PDT by beagleone
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To: Tarkus2040

“Don’t forget the taxing of our 401Ks and IRAs!”

This whole thing is just sickening, I can’t believe this is happening to our country.


7,454 posted on 03/21/2010 10:42:02 PM PDT by jim35 (Tea Party former Republican)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Absolutely correct. I didn’t mean to imply that it would impact anyone’s salvation. The scriptures relating to prophecy however, are not for every Christian as not every Christian gets into that. We agree. Freeregards, CO


7,455 posted on 03/21/2010 10:43:37 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: beagleone

What in the world does this official DO? Play golf all day?


7,456 posted on 03/21/2010 10:43:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: onyx
Can’t even stand to a roll call vote.

Roll call votes are political show. I prefer the electronic voting, although I would not give them as long as they do. I might even require "synchronized" voting. Something like: "Input your vote and on my mark lock it in (turn keys)..."3,2,1 Mark" and require the keys be turned within very seconds. Why all the drama, it's not like they have think about it at that point.

The Nebraska Unicameral has used a similar system as long as I can remember (I'm 60 so that would go back to the early 60s, before then I wasn't much aware of the Leg was doing) At first the action merely lit up a light next to the Senator's name, yea or nay. It may have produced an overall total, but the clerk still had to record the votes manually. Now I'm pretty sure they record the votes automatically as well.

7,457 posted on 03/21/2010 10:44:46 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: DoughtyOne

imho.

He’s clearly been sold out to globalism for a very long time.

As the quotes attest . . . globalists are traitors to the max.

He just plays his assigned milder role well.

Below from:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81

1995 - July/August: In the CFR’s Foreign Affairs, prominent CFR member Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. exclaims: “We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money.”

1940

A book entitled, The New World Order by H.G. Wells, in which Wells claims:

“It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it.”

1996 - October 23: On “The Charlie Rose Show” on the Public Broadcasting System, Mikhail Gorbachev states: “We are part of the Cosmos. Cosmos is my God. Nature is my God....The future society will be a totally new civilization which will synthesize the experience of Socialism and Capitalism....”

1919

A book entitled The New World Order by Samuel Zane Batten is published by the American Baptist Publication Society. In this book, Batten declares: “The old order passes from view, the new world rises upon our vision....We have vindicated the right of social control.....There must be developed a national spirit of service....Society must break the stranglehold of capitalism....The natural resources of the nation must be socialized....The state must socialize every group....Men must learn to have a world patriotism. World patriotism must be a faith....

1928

A book entitled The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution by socialist H. G. Wells is published.

He declares that “..The political world of the Open Conspiracy must weaken, efface, incorporate and supersede existing governments....The Open Conspiracy is the natural inheritor of socialist and communist enthusiasms, it may be in control of Moscow before it is in control of New York....”

1962 - March 10 State Department Study Memorandum No. 7, “A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations, “ written by CFR member Lincoln Bloomfield, in which he states: “A world effectively controlled by the United Nations is one in which “world government” would come about through the establishment of supranational institutions, characterized by mandatory universal membership and some ability to employ physical force....(But) if the communist dynamic was greatly abated, the West might lose whatever incentive it has for world government” [EDITOR, I THINK] It looks as if now the “communist menace” has been replaced by the “terrorist menace”. And of course they can switch back to the communist menace or any other kind of menace whenever they want to.


7,458 posted on 03/21/2010 10:45:03 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Brad's Gramma

No I haven’t seen that because I don’t believe we have degenerated that far yet. CO


7,459 posted on 03/21/2010 10:45:53 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Well said.

Accurate, I’m sure.

Thanks tons.


7,460 posted on 03/21/2010 10:46:09 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

This stuff sounds so well intended, doesn’t it. Let’s all sacrifice to build up a new glorious world that will make everyone happy except a few old fuddy duddies. Nothing really new, this is like the dream of Babel except spread horizontally instead of vertically.


7,461 posted on 03/21/2010 10:47:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: cookiedough
I sure wouldn’t take a narcotic unless my pain was severe and OTC drugs did not work.

I agree that some strong medications are not the preferred medications for many people. Sometimes they are the only recourse for pain management.

7,462 posted on 03/21/2010 10:49:28 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: beagleone

I wouldn’t want to be welcomed to Obamacare while this fraudulent scoundrel takes all the best for himself. I am truly surprised at the apathy of the American people who I always perceived as a people who would NEVER tolerate a tyrant. However month by month they are. The more blatant, the less effective action. Puzzling!! CO


7,463 posted on 03/21/2010 10:49:32 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Irish Eyes

will do.


7,464 posted on 03/21/2010 10:50:17 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: El Gato

Roll call makes it easier to dodge I suppose.


7,465 posted on 03/21/2010 10:50:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

WELL PUT, imho.

Thx.

Heading to bed.

Thanks for your kind replies.

LUB


7,466 posted on 03/21/2010 10:50:46 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Thanks, tried everything. Did not work for me. I guess it is not working out the way they wanted.


7,467 posted on 03/21/2010 10:52:39 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Quix

Your welcome friend. And with that, I must say Goodnight. I am very bagged now. It’s been a hard day. I can’t imagine what it feels like for you guys. My prayers are with you evey day anyway. In fact, I adopted 6 Marines to pray for every day back when President Bush was President and still pray for them and others today. I refused to join the Presidential Prayer Team for Obama but kept up with the prayers for the Marines. Love y’all. CO


7,468 posted on 03/21/2010 10:53:13 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: All

Since Planned Parenthood is so happy, we might as well reverse opp their thank your reps page:

http://www.ppaction.org/network/hcr10fvng?qp_source=hcr10fvng_tw


7,469 posted on 03/21/2010 10:54:03 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: All

http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2010/03/22/time-to-get-ready-to-shame-some-house-dems-tom-coburn/


7,470 posted on 03/21/2010 10:54:25 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Likely demonic numbing. I could never fathom Bush Derangement Syndrome, how America supposedly got so sick of him in early 2008, any more than I can why the visibly shifty Obama got the kudos he did and the anemic response from McCain who could get very mad when he wanted to.


7,471 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: AliVeritas

Cool site...thanks.


7,472 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:53 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All
Thanks everyone for this thread. Very disappointed with the way the country is moving. Work with everything you have in the up comming primaries and this November election.

Calling it a night.

7,473 posted on 03/21/2010 10:58:53 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: jim35; All
Vote 'em out this November!

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll165.xml

7,474 posted on 03/21/2010 10:59:53 PM PDT by Tarkus2040 ("In politics the middle way is none at all." --John Adams)
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To: All

Paul Ryan’s Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1aHU-pms


7,475 posted on 03/21/2010 11:03:04 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: Tarkus2040

Thank you for the list. I’ll do my part to vote them out.


7,476 posted on 03/21/2010 11:04:10 PM PDT by jim35 (Tea Party former Republican)
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To: Tarkus2040

bttt


7,477 posted on 03/21/2010 11:05:35 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!!)
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To: BigEdLB
Cat! You need a longer blade... There are wider things to cut.

That one will do fine in replacing the Dr. Guilotine's little toy. We'll need a lot of them, and fewer of the long blade models.

7,478 posted on 03/21/2010 11:15:01 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Quix

Quix, I am not at all alien to the idea the internationalists want to take over, and they are doing their best to do so. So while I do think MeCain could be motivated by that movement, I also think it’s possible he’s just a moronic simpleton dupe.

The guy strikes me as too clever by half. I’m not convinced he knows what Soros is, or fully comprehends his negative impact on our nation. John IMO is more into the good ole boys club here. Kennedy, Kerry, Lieberman, Feingold, John wanted to be buds with them all. He didn’t grasp what Obama was. Why would he be more likely to know who the others were, and how they could negatively impact this nation. He doesn’t take this stuff serious. He’s still a frat boy at heart, although he likes to throw his weight around occasionally for kicks.

I don’t think MeCain cares about much more than himself. For him the good times just don’t end. He’s been softened by the perks and the good times his life affords.

I don’t necessarily like the Country Club connotation, but MeCain is there strictly for the power, the laughs, and being a thorn in the side of other people he doesn’t like.

He’s just an inglorious bastard prick.

That’s my take on it, but yours is another reasoned viewpoint that I’m not convinced isn’t as good an explanation as my own.


7,479 posted on 03/21/2010 11:26:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: Arizona Carolyn; MissH

I’m with ya. Geraldo should go back to opening dead gangsters vaults. Between Shep Smith, the Obama sympathizer and Geraldo, I wanna drink Drano.


7,480 posted on 03/21/2010 11:50:57 PM PDT by 506Lake (Complacency is no longer an option, folks.)
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To: AliVeritas

Thanks for posting the link. I hope the WI GOP has more Paul Ryans around that I can vote for! :)


7,481 posted on 03/21/2010 11:51:34 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: All

There is a rumor going around on FB regarding a “yea” vote tallied under Murtha’s name? Does anyone have any info. on this? Was someone selected by his state’s governor to vote in his stead until a special election or something? I mean I’m from Chicago originally, so dems voting from the cemetery is nothing new to me — just didn’t know a dead Representative could vote in the House!


7,482 posted on 03/21/2010 11:56:05 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Brad's Gramma

“This YouTube speech??? http://ow.ly/1pavC";

yes, that one, but the link on youtube only shows a very brief few seconds of the whole speech - it was impassioned, sincere and spot on - as was Paul Ryan’s before that - well worth the watch!!

(if all else fails, I bet you could view them on cspan’s site, since they covered it all continuously - just need to get the video point where you want)


7,483 posted on 03/22/2010 12:12:53 AM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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7,484 posted on 03/22/2010 12:33:24 AM PDT by AKSurprise ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: AKSurprise

Gosh, he is ugly and I don’t just mean his looks. He has an ugly soul.


7,485 posted on 03/22/2010 12:46:39 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SE Mom

The thing we have to remember is not to let them off the hook for this sham. They will try to bring up something else controversial (illegal immigration) in order to change the subject away from health care and the much deserved punishment they are due for their crime against America.

Health care needs to be the topic 24/7 from now until November and even then beyond. We need to be relentlessly hammering it. When Katie Couric says “what about immigration?” we should say “Don’t care, let’s talk about repealing the fradulent health care takeover”.


7,486 posted on 03/22/2010 1:01:04 AM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: llandres

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOdvn2dtM0A

Try this one.....


7,487 posted on 03/22/2010 1:11:08 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

President Reagan Saw This Coming…in 1961
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/02/11/president-reagan-saw-this-comingin-1961/


7,488 posted on 03/22/2010 1:39:59 AM PDT by BellStar (Be strong ........Joshua 1:6)
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To: BellStar

So did Eisenhower.


7,489 posted on 03/22/2010 1:41:43 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty
Gosh, he is ugly and I don’t just mean his looks. He has an ugly soul.

There's a tragic irony in that. My "liberal" friends voted for Obama based on his looks, manner of speaking, and what they perceived to be his compassionate personality. When pressed, they would all admit they knew nothing of issues and didn't care to know about them.

7,490 posted on 03/22/2010 1:57:18 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Dragonspirit

Don’t think so!

Healthcare and amnesty are 2 faces of the same agenda to “change” USA into a SSocialist third-world country with huge consequences on the real way of living(freedom,free speech,wealth,free trade and values/culture).
They want to hold American people with a tight grip


7,491 posted on 03/22/2010 2:13:32 AM PDT by Ulysse (a)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yes, but trust me, you will get a chance to see why Canada sucks so much.

*sigh, I’m really bummed out about this. I was looking forward to living in a free country. Now I have to fight there and here!


7,492 posted on 03/22/2010 2:17:25 AM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: BenKenobi

OK, soooo, does anyone have a count of the yeas & nays? I’d like to keep their names handy for future references.


7,493 posted on 03/22/2010 3:28:35 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Want real change? Vote out Pelosi, Reid and Franks!)
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To: Dragonspirit

Health care needs to be the topic 24/7 from now until November and even then beyond. We need to be relentlessly hammering it. When Katie Couric says “what about immigration?” we should say “Don’t care, let’s talk about repealing the fraudulent health care takeover”.

You are %100 on the money my friend, we cannot let this go ,ever


7,495 posted on 03/22/2010 3:30:36 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: jenk; sabe@q.com

Stupak isn’t from Wisconsin, he’s in Michigan.

His opponent has gained over 7,000 supporters since Stupak’s announcement yesterday.


7,496 posted on 03/22/2010 3:54:07 AM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: All

I will be sending $$$ to help defeat all the demoncraps - they will pay for their corruption


7,497 posted on 03/22/2010 4:02:40 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (I'm not one of those "who are we to judge?" people)
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To: Canadian Outrage

THANKS TONS AND TONS.

MAY GOD BLESS YOU 10 TIME OVER FOR YOUR CARING AND PRAYERS.


7,498 posted on 03/22/2010 4:23:27 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: freekitty

You said that very eloquently & very well. My heart breaks for what this country is descending into. And this night was made possible by one soulless almost-a-man.


7,499 posted on 03/22/2010 4:23:38 AM PDT by AmericanMermaid
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To: HiTech RedNeck

BECAUSE OF

1. Demonic influences.

2. decades long propaganda, mass mind control techniques.

3. Neuro Linguistic Programming during all OThuga’s speeches during the campaign

4. The heart of man that want’s something for nothing.

5. Lawlessness and rebellion have increased in the land—the globalists efforts have helped insure that . . . and . . . it is the era when the worst of the world will occur.


7,500 posted on 03/22/2010 4:25:47 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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