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The Dems bring the pain: The real cost of the health care bill is about more than just money
NY Post ^ | March 21, 2010 | MICHAEL TANNER

Posted on 03/21/2010 4:12:13 AM PDT by Scanian

As the health care leviathan slouches toward a final vote in the House of Representatives — or at least a final “deeming” — it is worth taking one final look at what’s at stake.

In the end, this vote is not about the corruption of the legislative process — although this has been tawdry and sleazy almost every step of the way.

The Democrats have bought votes with pork and special deals. They’ve twisted and ignored congressional rules. They’ve threatened and intimidated critics. And they’ve ended up with a new procedure that will allow them to pass the bill without actually having to vote on it.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; costs; deathpanels; deathscam; debt; freedom; healthcare; nothealthcare; obama; obamacare; romney; romneycare; socialism; votebuying

1 posted on 03/21/2010 4:12:13 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

The Federal Government’s powers are limited to those incuded in the Enumerated Powers clause. Those not included are reserved to the States or to the People. We are way beyond the enumerated powers here and in violation of the 10th Amendment.


2 posted on 03/21/2010 4:15:25 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Scanian

Are these not impeachable offensives and if so why are we not screaming them at the top of our lungs at the GOP


3 posted on 03/21/2010 4:17:55 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (cockblock the sock puppet in 2010)
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To: Scanian

I’m not sure but what this whole health care reform debacle hasn’t been a gift from God. If any country ever needed a wake up call it’s America. I wonder that if we lose, and the vote goes against us today, it’s not just one more step in the wake up call we’re getting. It’s like we had rolled over and hit the snooze button when Obama was elected, despite so many signs of this total incompetence to even hold the office, let alone the 3,000 plus positions in government that he would be filling while in the office. Even with the MSM doing everything in its power to hide his background and spin his lack of experience, it was obvious to those who paid attention that he was not the man for the job. Now that we have him, I think it’s time for the next chapter from God. And we’re seeing that right now, with all the things that have gone amiss under his guidance. And, if we are still hitting the snooze alarm, the next step is to have this health care reform monster loosed on our country. Many of life’s most valuable lessons are learned the hard way, to the point of pain. I shudder to think what the step after passage of this monstrosity will be. I pray to God, literally, that He won’t have to give that part of the lesson.


4 posted on 03/21/2010 4:26:53 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: Scanian

Praying for this “reform” and joke of an administration to fail.


5 posted on 03/21/2010 4:30:47 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (You better HOPE you end up with a little CHANGE in your pocket after he's finished.)
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To: Scanian

“Of course we lie. Lie lie lie. Then, Lie lie lie. We are NBC
the channel of the DNC and al Qaeda. ”


REASON FOR THE LIES:

In ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE, THERE ARE DEATH PANELS.
MANY MANY MANY MANY DEATH PANELS.


DEATH -PANEL: Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions). Page 280 Sec 1151
DEATH -PANEL: Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.) Page 425 Lines 4-12
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!) Page 430 Lines 11-15
DEATH-PANEL: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 272 SEC. 1145
DEATH-PANEL: GOVT COMMITTEE decides what treatments/benefits you get Page 30 Sec 123
DEATH-PANEL: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!) Page 427 Lines 15-24
DEATH-PANEL: Rationing Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans Page 85 Line 7
DEATH-PANEL: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.) Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.Page 494-498 DEATH-PANEL: Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you Page 42
DEATH-PANEL: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 1-9 DEATH-PANEL: HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED Page 29 lines 4-16
DEATH-PANEL: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?) Page 429 Lines 10-12
DEATH-PANEL: Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.) Page 335 L16-25 Pg 336-339
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable! Page 354 Sec 1177
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.) Page 239 Line 14-24
DEATH-PANEL: GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!) Page 429 Lines 13-25
DEATH-PANEL: Rationing Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!) Page 85 Line 7
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!) Page 425 Lines 17-19:

ACORN: Payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & ACORN Page 65 Sec 164
ACORN: Govt will use ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan. Page 95
ACORN: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations, ACORN Medical Services Page 469

Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.Page 127 Lines 1-16
Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! Page 241 Line 6-8
Doctors: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!) Page 317 L 13-20
Doctors: Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.) Page 253 Line 10-18
Doctors: Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?) Page 379 Sec 1191
Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you. Page 298 Lines 9-11

Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! Page 149 Lines 16-24
Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!) Page 145 Line 15-17
Employer with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.Page 150 Lines 9-13
Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.) Page 126 Lines 22-25
Employers: Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure - Page 22
Employers: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly. page 12 4 lines 24-25
Employers: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.' Page 84 Sec 203

HOSPITALS: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.) Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3

ILLEGALS: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)Page 170 Lines 1-3
ILLEGALS: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Page 50 Section 152
ILLEGALS: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (illegal aliens.) Page 91 Lines 4-7

MARRIAGE: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so the government can 'deduct' their fees from your bank account)Page 195
MARRIAGE: Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. Page 489 Sec 1308
MARRIAGE: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. Page 59 lines 21-24:
MARRIAGE: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & 'National ID Health card' - Page 58

MONOPOLY: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan) Page 341 Lines 3-9
MONOPOLY: Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries. Page 265 Sec 1131
MONOPOLY: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. Page 102 Lines 12-18
MONOPOLY: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?) Page 321 2-13

NEW TAXES: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.Page 167 Lines 18-23
NEW TAXES: The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead) Page 203 Line 14-15



6 posted on 03/21/2010 4:32:26 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jwparkerjr

What a horror show for people who WERE ALREADY AWAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 03/21/2010 4:32:45 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: jwparkerjr

America of the past isn’t America of today. The culture is very sick. About half of the population is mental. It is a socialist bastion in competition with an Asian country that is more capitalistic than it is. It’s hard to root for the home team under those cirumstances.


8 posted on 03/21/2010 4:42:21 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: Scanian
From the article: "That is what is at stake here. If this bill passes, America may be less healthy, and it will likely be less prosperous. And, almost certainly, it will be less free."

The final push to see us in the always failed socialist agenda. The people who push this are nucking futz!

9 posted on 03/21/2010 4:52:47 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: jwparkerjr

The alarm bells have been ringing for decades. What makes one think they will now be answered?


10 posted on 03/21/2010 4:54:25 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: jwparkerjr

I think this is a good place to post the following link from youtube..The “Greatest Generation” is just about gone. Have we squandered what they gave us for which they paid such a terrible price? Remember to pray today at 11 a.m. with those who will gather in the Capitol Rotunda for the first time in 100 years to pray for our nation. Click on the following or Copy and paste if you wish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnQDW-NMaRs


11 posted on 03/21/2010 5:00:11 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Scanian
The outcome of any vote by Congress on health care is irrelevant since Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care! Therefore the so called legislation on its face is Unconstitutional! The people are not bound to comply with an Unconstitutional act of Congress! This is a power regulated to the states per the 10th Amendment!

It is the reason why Idaho and Virginia have passed legislation blocking federal health care from being illegally imposed on the citizens of those states by reasserting their 10th Amendment rights and 34 other states considering similar legislation! This is the point people need to hammer home with their Congress critters!
12 posted on 03/21/2010 5:00:23 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: broken_arrow1
The Federal Government’s powers are limited to those incuded in the Enumerated Powers clause. Those not included are reserved to the States or to the People. We are way beyond the enumerated powers here and in violation of the 10th Amendment.

Why do you think 37 states are threatening lawsuits against H.R. 3200 if it passes?

13 posted on 03/21/2010 5:09:10 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88
I don't think lawsuits will stop this socialist coup. At some point, Obama will compromise the judicial system and get the ruling that he wants. Not even the Supreme Court is immune to the pressure and forces the Marxists can use. Maybe if enough states would nullify the Federal edicts the US could survive. However, it would take state interposition and the interruption of Federal tax payments to the Feds to have any real chance. The states would need to place themselves between their citizens and the FedGov and receive all tax payments and only disburse those that do not violate the 10th Amendment to the national government.
14 posted on 03/21/2010 5:24:53 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Scanian

The African AmericanDr. Jesse Cannon a doctor of 30 years I protested TURN COAT JOHN TANNER, bribed by a NATO job, said he’d retire..0 may get to the point of having to CONSCRIPT the retired doctors, or import Non-English speaking ones or both.

TURN COAT BRIBED BY NATO JOB JOHN TANNER rally 3/20/2010
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2475145/posts?page=16
AIN’T JUST GRANNY & GRAMPS GETTING WHACK, MILITARY IS TOO.
KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

Hold your own street protest in front of your reps local offices. Or busy street corners. Try and get the local media to cover it. Hammer the Medicare/SS issue, nothing like mad grannies and gramps.

This is from a 2007 contact list of congressional aides. Some might not be there any longer, but worth a try. The ones on the one post are senate aides, a few have bounced back, it’s worth the effort to clog up their email system along with the phones, and 1/3rd of these senators are up for re-election.

Mail must be inspected for anthrax takes 2 weeks, so if you snail mail send a post card

Contact SENATE congressional aides.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1857768/posts
U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121
U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111
Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep
Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Toll free to the US Senate:
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)
Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS
Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/
Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Sunday March 21st.

Good idea from the bloggers at Hillbuzz:
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/03/17/action-items-march-17th-2010/
They offer specifics and links on how to put pressure on Dem DONORS, who have private numbers for legislators who may have taken their phones off the hook.
Congress may not want to hear from us, but they’ll listen to the money men.

Call them and fax them them instead of telling us you don’t trust them.
www.faxzero.com for two free faxes a day.
www.gotfreefax.com for another 2 free faxes per day.
Congressional Dems on Twitter
http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter
RUSH says to pressure these 2
Charles Wilson, Ohio Toll Free Number 888-706-1833 DC (202) 225-5705 fx: (202) 225-5907, Bridgeport, (740) 633-5705 fx: (740) 633-5727, Canfield, (330) 533-7250 fx: (330) 533-7136 Marietta, : (740) 376-0868 fx: (740) 376-0886 Ironton, (740) 533-9423 fx: (740) 533-9359 Wellsville, 330) 532-3740 Canfield, here is the zip code 44406.
Joe Cao DC (202) 225-6636 Fax: (202) 225-1988, NO (504) 483-2325 Fax: (504) 483-7944
NEW FLIPPERS
Rep. Bart Gordon TN (202) 225-4231 Fax: (202) 225-6887 Murfreesboro, TN 37130 GETS A NASA JOB for his vote
(615) 896-1986 Cookeville (931) 528-5907 Gallatin, (615) 451-5174
Mark Schauer D.C. (202) 225-6276 Fax: (202) 225-6281 Jackson, MI (517) 780-9075
Fax: (517) 780-9081 Toll-Free: (877) 737-6407
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,
Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871
Dennis Cardoza DC (202) 225-6131, Fax: 225-0819, 800-356-6424, Merced, (209) 383-4455 Fax: 726-1065 Modesto 209) 527-1914 Fax: 527-5748 Modesto, (209) 527-1914
Fax: 527-5748
Jim Costa Fresno 559-495-1620, Fax:559-495-1027, Bakersfeld, 661-869-1620 Fax: 661-869-1027 DC Phone:202-225-3341 Fax: 202-225-9308 Fax (202)225-5745
James Oberstar (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
John Boccieri (D), Ohio Voted Yes on Stupak, NO on Health Care.Contact info - DC office (202) 225-3876 - Fax - (202) 225-3059 (330) 489-4414, Local Fax - (330) 489-4448
Betsy Markey DC 202.225.4676, fx. 202.225.5870, Ft. Collins, 970.221.7110fx 970.221.7240, Greeley, 970.351.6007 fx 970.351.6068, Lamar, 719.931.4003
fx 719.931.4005, Sterling, 970.522.0203 fx 970.522.1783
Alan Boyd FL DC 202) 225-5235, (202) 225-5615 Fax Tallahassee (850) 561-3979
(850) 681-2902 Fax Panama City (850) 785-0812 (850) 763-3764 Fax
S. Kosmos FL DC (202) 225-2706 Fax: (202) 226-6299, Port Orange, FL 32129
Phone: (386) 756-9798 Fax: (386) 756-9903 Orlando, FL 32826
Phone: (407)-208-1106 Fax: (407)-208-1108
Brad Ellsworth IN Evansville (812) 465-6484 fx: (812) 422-4761 Terre Haute (812) 232-0523 fx: (812) 232-0526 DC ph: (202) 225-4636 Toll Free: (866) 567-0227
fx: (202) 225-3284
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (RETIREING, His going away present to the USA, gets a NATO JOB for vote.
Thinks you are harassing him! Rep. John Garamendi’s (CA-10) (202) 225-1880
Fax: (202) 225-5914 Walnut Creek, (925) 932-8899 fax: (925) 932-8159 Antioch (925) 757-7187 Fax: (925) 757-7056 Fairfield, Phone: (707) 438-1822 Fax: (707) 438-0523
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
MOVED TO UNDECIDED
rec’d from NCTeaParty.com — Despite earlier assurances that he was a NO on health care reform and would not change his mind, Rep. Heath Shuler, NC 11, is now undecided.
Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th http://shuler.house.gov/ DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422 Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734 Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: hayden.rogers@mail.house.gov
Lincoln Davis 202.225.6831Fax: 202.226.5172 Columbia Office 931.490.8675
Jamestown 931.879.2361 Fax: 931.879.2389 McMinnville, 931.473.7251 Fax: 931.473.7259

INCLINED
Tim Walz MN 202-225-2472 Rochester 507-206-0643 Mankato 507-388-2149 MAYO CLINIC DEAL
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Steve Cohen TN, DC (202) 225-3265 Fax: (202) 225-5663, Memphis, TN, 901) 544-4131 Fax: (901) 544-4329
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE

NEW NO’s
Travis Childers MS On the Net: Travis Childers, http://www.childers.house.govRep. Glenn Nye, Virginia Beach
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928, Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304
Michael A. Arcuri (NY-24)
Harry Teague NM

James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!

1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351


15 posted on 03/21/2010 6:20:32 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Truth29

If this Bill becomes Law ? We will soon find out if we still even have a Constitution . This Commie President of ours may begin to rule instead of govern. Assuming that he and his Party continue to get away with all they have done so far .


16 posted on 03/21/2010 6:32:15 AM PDT by dbrew2u
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To: dbrew2u
"this Bill becomes Law ? We will soon find out if we still even have a Constitution . This Commie President of ours may begin to rule instead of govern. Assuming that he and his Party continue to get away with all they have done so far."

Obama is just going to keep on pushing. Next up immigration reform AKA amnesty and then cap and trade/global climate hoax restrictions. He isn't going to stop with Obamaserfcare. We are going to have to forcefully confront him to have any chance at all. Conservative states need to band together and assert the 10th amendment by more than lawsuits. Obama will compromise the judicial system and it will take years to get cases through the courts. Maybe the concept of state interposition could be used to place a barrier between the state citizens and FedGov. It would need to go so far as to interrupt the flow of Federal tax dollars from the state citizens to the Feds to have any effect. If the Feds want to raise the anty, then the next more would be theirs as well as the reaction.

17 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:27 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: central_va

re: What a horror show for people who WERE ALREADY AWAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, but isn’t that always the way it is?


18 posted on 03/21/2010 11:38:09 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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