'Deem and pass' dead; Now it's the 'Supermax' rule with few amendments, little debate

1 posted on 03/21/2010 5:15:40 AM PDT by gusopol3

Momentum is so on our side.

This could be a contributor to just ONE flip yes to no.

2 posted on 03/21/2010 5:19:32 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)

Supermax. As in Prison Nation, USSA.

3 posted on 03/21/2010 5:20:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)

These people are shameless.

4 posted on 03/21/2010 5:20:44 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)

Alcee Hasings (D) FLA talking about rules of the House.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9prQt3SLYCQ

5 posted on 03/21/2010 5:21:51 AM PDT by Mr. Wright

The outcome of any vote by Congress on health care is irrelevant since Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care! Therefore the so called legislation on its face is Unconstitutional! The people are not bound to comply with an Unconstitutional act of Congress! This is a power regulated to the states per the 10th Amendment!

It is the reason why Idaho and Virginia have passed legislation blocking federal health care from being illegally imposed on the citizens of those states by reasserting their 10th Amendment rights and 34 other states considering similar legislation! This is the point people need to hammer home with their Congress critters!

6 posted on 03/21/2010 5:22:14 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)

No matter what “trick” they use, the American people are now clued in about how their government works. Totally disgusting how they “represent” us ...

7 posted on 03/21/2010 5:22:31 AM PDT by Free America52 (The White guys are getting pissed off. We beat Hitler Hirohito and Krushchev. Obama will be easy.)

Hard to believe that Nanzi would schedule a vote if she didn’t have the votes in her shopping cart already.

8 posted on 03/21/2010 5:22:53 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)

Alcee Hasings (D) FLA talking about rules of the House.

If it were a republican saying that they are making up the rules as they go this would be front page news on every paper and the opening story on every news broadcast.

The problem in the US is rooted in a corrupt press...which facilitates corrupt politicians. Until the press is reformed I question how solid, long term improvement there can be with politicians.

9 posted on 03/21/2010 5:24:47 AM PDT by highlander_UW (Happiness doesn't come from owning something; it comes from being a part of something)

Great, you have the video ! Searching for “Alcee Hastings” only brings up the thread with the NRO link, no video.

10 posted on 03/21/2010 5:24:54 AM PDT by gusopol3

"Supermax"

Is that the industrial strength version of Depends? Nancy (formerly known as "Sweet Deem Baby") always has such a strong command of the language to draw on.

11 posted on 03/21/2010 5:25:30 AM PDT by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)

Don’t take this the wrong way. I see you post this quite a bit and I actually agree. We have debated about the courts and this before. I just want to know how you see this playing out... if they pass it? Do you think the courts will overturn it or do you think it will take “We the People” rising up in civil disobedience... or something else?

LLS

12 posted on 03/21/2010 5:26:28 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Wolverine)

“Even without the Slaughter Solution, this rule is an affront to the democratic process. Rather than living up to their promises of transparency and accountability, the Democratic Majority is now openly flouting them. By severely limiting debate and protecting the backroom deals that have so angered the American people, the Majority has demonstrated their top priority remains forcing through their government takeover of our healthcare system at all costs.”

The rule sets up following votes today, which House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said would most likely be taken between 1 and 2 pm this afternoon: The first vote will be on the Supermax rule itself; the vote will be on the Senate version of Obamacare, including the special deals like the Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase, Gator Aid and the Cadillac Tax, the vote will be on a motion to recommit on the “sidecar” reconciliation package that contains changes in the Senate bill sought by the House, and the fourth and final taly will be on sidecar measure.

Dreier said the net effect of this rule will be the same as “deem and pass. “If this rule and the bills it provides consideration for pass tomorrow, the American people will be stuck with every pig in the poke that is Senate-passed bill. It will be law. The fixes will not be. Members can try to argue they only supported the Senate bill in a fixed form, but the American people won’t buy it.”

13 posted on 03/21/2010 5:26:40 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")

This *thing* is far from over.

The Senate ain't going to roll over and play dead, they're going to makes changes. Then its back to the House for more infighting by the Rats.

To quote Dubya on his biggest goof:

"I'll see ya at the signing"

14 posted on 03/21/2010 5:27:51 AM PDT by Condor51 (A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new. [A. Einstein])

To: LibLieSlayer

Do you think the courts will overturn it or do you think it will take “We the People” rising up in civil disobedience

The latter. The people are the government, not Congress, not the White House and not SCOTUS. The people have the final say as to how they will be governed. Our founding fathers not only understood this concept but initiated it as evident by the following passage in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

15 posted on 03/21/2010 5:31:22 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)

Ranking Minority Member Rep. David Dreier, R-CA, who led the charge against "deem and pass."

Another Very Good Republican.

There have been so many, standing up and fighting MengeleCare.

Anyone who clings to the old idea that "there's no difference between the parties" is, in my book, a democrat operative.

Remember, when someone says "vote conservative no matter what party" and neglects to notice that EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT in the Senate voted for MengeleCare and EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN in the Senate voted against it, that someone is probably a democrat operative.

For me, this formula works: Vote for the most conservative in the R primary and then vote for the R in the general.

People pushing 3rd parties are democrat operatives.

16 posted on 03/21/2010 5:31:31 AM PDT by samtheman

To: highlander_UW

The State-run media is disgusting — they are in the tank for this guy Obama and the RAT Party. The real problem is going to be for us to vote out these guys in November. State-run media will, I am positive, be on a dedicated mission to make whomever is running against an incumbent RAT a loser and a bad choice. They will do in-depth reports on anything they can find on the person running against the incumbent. They, the press, are one of the big reasons our country is in this mess. Their graduates come from the likes of Columbia University; an ultra liberal school.

17 posted on 03/21/2010 5:31:37 AM PDT by Mr. Wright

To: Free America52

......the American people are now clued in about how their government works......

I would doubt more than 1 in 500 or even perhaps 1,000 is aware of the details of this rule. All they know is what the MSM wants them to know

18 posted on 03/21/2010 5:32:40 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)

To: highlander_UW

“The problem in the US is rooted in a corrupt press...which facilitates corrupt politicians. Until the press is reformed I question how solid, long term improvement there can be with politicians.”

While I agree with you regarding the press and the media, wholeheartedly, other than boycott, tell me how to “reform” them, PLEASE!!!!

19 posted on 03/21/2010 5:32:46 AM PDT by jakota (®)

I have the feeling come monday America may see a new map of the USA.

Instead of red/blue states we will see states with a crosshatch pattern of either being Pro or Against Obamacare.

Or seceded states.

20 posted on 03/21/2010 5:32:53 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)

Constitutionality should be relevant, but it’s not. We are facing evil, ranging from those who compromise with evil “for the greater good” and because “the end justifies the means” to pure evil. They cannot be stopped by the law, only by numbers or by force. I’m hoping that we have the numbers on our side for whatever vote Pelosi permits, although I’m not convinced that Civil war would be a bad option either, considering the destruction we’re already facing with the insane deficit spending.

21 posted on 03/21/2010 5:37:24 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)

I think you are a little to giddy over this process Condorman.

22 posted on 03/21/2010 5:37:40 AM PDT by Sarah-bot (The bloom is off the fart blossum)

People enable the state run media by paying their cable and sat TV bill each month. I cancelled it almost a year ago.
Fox radio on hourly commercials is just as bad as the rest. People posting here are saying Fox TV news is in with the rest for Obama like election night 2008.

TV has led to serfdom.

23 posted on 03/21/2010 5:38:33 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)

To: Free America52

the American people are now clued in

This is what dismays me. I don't think the general public has any idea what's going on. They believe the mainstream news that tells them a small segment of racists don't want them to be able to see a doctor.

I was downtown yesterday. The crowd was amazing. It was definitely mostly white. I heard nothing racial. It was polite. Folks offered water to the police, got on the sidewalk when they were told to. The most unintimidating crowd you ever saw. Crowds at sporting events are scarier by far. And not a gumwrapper left on the ground.

Why mostly white since this issue affects everyone? My sister has a friend who listens solely to spanish language stations. She doesn't believe what my sister tells her is going on, she believes her radio and tv stations. I lay an enormous lot of the blame for what is going on at the media's door.

And, sadly, I don't think we'll be taken seriously in numbers of 25,000. Because a benign crowd of 25,000 is no threat. We were entertainment. Were we 1000 lobbing firebombs and smashing windows, we'd get credibility. This is not us. We need truly multiples of millions to do this peacefully.

24 posted on 03/21/2010 5:39:03 AM PDT by JustSurrounded (No More. Not another inch. Not another penny. The retreat stops here.)

It's the hands...watch the hands......

25 posted on 03/21/2010 5:40:39 AM PDT by cbkaty (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life---Churchill)

The Senate bill will be passed with the false expectation that a fix will follow. The fix will never happen and we will all be stuck with the Senate version.

Although we can’t repeal it for 3 more years, we can limit funding for the new agencies, etc. and keep it at bay until we have the White House again.

26 posted on 03/21/2010 5:41:08 AM PDT by dan on the right

People should really drop the civil war talk at this point. There is something called the escalation of force. In this example the escalation of force starts where you call your representatives. After today’s vote the next escalation will be to challenge the law in court, and conduct civil disobedience. If the court refuses to uphold the Constitution, then each to his own. I hear Madagascar is nice this time of year.

27 posted on 03/21/2010 5:43:09 AM PDT by Sarah-bot (The bloom is off the fart blossum)

Now it's the 'supermax' rule with few amendments...

Supermarx rule, that should read.

28 posted on 03/21/2010 5:43:49 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)

The outcome of any vote by Congress on health care is irrelevant since Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care!

29 posted on 03/21/2010 5:44:39 AM PDT by Labyrinthos

Nah not yet.
Whatever happens in the House today vote wise, at most Barry and Nan will have a Pyrrhic Victory.

The senate has many more 'rights' for the minority party to delay and/or change things. And the Senate Rats won't like this amended House version of their Senate Bill.

It's far from over in the US Congress.

30 posted on 03/21/2010 5:44:51 AM PDT by Condor51 (A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new. [A. Einstein])

I’m hoping that we have the numbers on our side for whatever vote Pelosi permits, although I’m not convinced that Civil war would be a bad option either, considering the destruction we’re already facing with the insane deficit spending.

The people are the government, not Congress, not the White House and not SCOTUS. We have the final say as to how we will be governed. Our founding fathers instilled this principle in the Declaration of Independence. Below is a passage exemplifying that fact:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"

31 posted on 03/21/2010 5:45:02 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)

Pelosi make the wicked witch look hot.

32 posted on 03/21/2010 5:45:28 AM PDT by Sarah-bot (The bloom is off the fart blossum)

Too giddy. nah. I'm just going by what Orin Hatch said.

This fight is far from over.

33 posted on 03/21/2010 5:47:38 AM PDT by Condor51 (A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new. [A. Einstein])

34 posted on 03/21/2010 5:48:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)

Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate a lot of things that Congress regulates like energy, education, food, drugs, communications, space exploration, the environment, labor relations, trasportation, etc.

Exactly! It's the reason why we are in this mess! We have incrementally strayed from the Constitution for many decades. It's all the more reason to stop the socialists and reverse their agenda by returning to the Constitution. We need to steal a page out of the socialist playbook they have been using for decades. The Conservative agenda to restore the Constitution must be done with unrelenting and increasing pressure against those who seek to destroy the Constitution. View any setback as only temporary.

35 posted on 03/21/2010 5:49:03 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)

I think Slaughter could definitely compete with Pelosio for that wicked witch look.

36 posted on 03/21/2010 5:51:04 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (MELT THE PHONE LINES AGAINST OBAMACARE NOW!!!!)

To: highlander_UW

-- The problem in the US is rooted in a corrupt press...which facilitates corrupt politicians. --

The problem in the US is rooted in a gullible and ill-informed public. In the former Soviet Union, the public knew the press was corrupt. The press in the US used to be partisan, leaving it to the people to sort through all the lies.

Better for the people, in the long run, if the press is never perceived as being "reformed" into the mythical objective watchdog that it claims to be.

37 posted on 03/21/2010 5:54:46 AM PDT by Cboldt

You’re right of course, but most “Independents” don’t want to hear it. They want to think they’re voting for the person, not the party.

38 posted on 03/21/2010 5:57:47 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)

And they are right to do so during the primary. Vote the person, the most conservative person running in the R primary.

But in the general, it’s vote R or succumb to demo-induced death. Death. Death of America.

Islamics always say: Death to America.

The dems actually mean it.

39 posted on 03/21/2010 6:00:38 AM PDT by samtheman

I could not agree more about your observations of our esteemed press corps, or corpse as it may be. The level of shilling for this is and their boy is unprecedented. They will most definitely go after any challenger in November to try and discredit them in hopes of averting a disaster. Let's make it happen!

40 posted on 03/21/2010 6:05:23 AM PDT by RU88

The African American Dr. Jesse Cannon, a doctor of 30 years I protested TURN COAT JOHN TANNER, bribed by a NATO job, said he’d retire..0 may get to the point of having to CONSCRIPT the retired doctors, or import Non-English speaking ones or both.

TURN COAT BRIBED BY NATO JOB JOHN TANNER rally 3/20/2010
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2475145/posts?page=16
AIN’T JUST GRANNY & GRAMPS GETTING WHACK, MILITARY IS TOO.
KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

Hold your own street protest in front of your reps local offices. Or busy street corners. Try and get the local media to cover it. Hammer the Medicare/SS issue, nothing like mad grannies and gramps.

This is from a 2007 contact list of congressional aides. Some might not be there any longer, but worth a try. The ones on the one post are senate aides, a few have bounced back, it’s worth the effort to clog up their email system along with the phones, and 1/3rd of these senators are up for re-election.

Mail must be inspected for anthrax takes 2 weeks, so if you snail mail send a post card

Contact congressional aides.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1857768/posts
U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121
U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111
Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep
Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Toll free to the US Senate:
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)
Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS
Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that I’m calling. So far it’s been busy but I’m going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762

CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/
Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Sunday March 21st.

Good idea from the bloggers at Hillbuzz:
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/03/17/action-items-march-17th-2010/
They offer specifics and links on how to put pressure on Dem DONORS, who have private numbers for legislators who may have taken their phones off the hook.
Congress may not want to hear from us, but they’ll listen to the money men.

Call them and fax them them instead of telling us you don’t trust them.

www.faxzero.com for two free faxes a day.
www.gotfreefax.com for another 2 free faxes per day.
Congressional Dems on Twitter
http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter
RUSH says to pressure these 2
Charles Wilson, Ohio Toll Free Number 888-706-1833 DC (202) 225-5705 fx: (202) 225-5907, Bridgeport, (740) 633-5705 fx: (740) 633-5727, Canfield, (330) 533-7250 fx: (330) 533-7136 Marietta, : (740) 376-0868 fx: (740) 376-0886 Ironton, (740) 533-9423 fx: (740) 533-9359 Wellsville, 330) 532-3740 Canfield, here is the zip code 44406.
Joe Cao DC (202) 225-6636 Fax: (202) 225-1988, NO (504) 483-2325 Fax: (504) 483-7944

NEW FLIPPERS
Rep. Bart Gordon TN (202) 225-4231 Fax: (202) 225-6887 Murfreesboro, TN 37130 GETS A NASA JOB for his vote
(615) 896-1986 Cookeville (931) 528-5907 Gallatin, (615) 451-5174
Mark Schauer D.C. (202) 225-6276 Fax: (202) 225-6281 Jackson, MI (517) 780-9075
Fax: (517) 780-9081 Toll-Free: (877) 737-6407
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,
Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871
Dennis Cardoza DC (202) 225-6131, Fax: 225-0819, 800-356-6424, Merced, (209) 383-4455 Fax: 726-1065 Modesto 209) 527-1914 Fax: 527-5748 Modesto, (209) 527-1914
Fax: 527-5748
Jim Costa Fresno 559-495-1620, Fax:559-495-1027, Bakersfeld, 661-869-1620 Fax: 661-869-1027 DC Phone:202-225-3341 Fax: 202-225-9308 Fax (202)225-5745
James Oberstar (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
John Boccieri (D), Ohio Voted Yes on Stupak, NO on Health Care.Contact info - DC office (202) 225-3876 - Fax - (202) 225-3059 (330) 489-4414, Local Fax - (330) 489-4448
Betsy Markey DC 202.225.4676, fx. 202.225.5870, Ft. Collins, 970.221.7110fx 970.221.7240, Greeley, 970.351.6007 fx 970.351.6068, Lamar, 719.931.4003
fx 719.931.4005, Sterling, 970.522.0203 fx 970.522.1783
Alan Boyd FL DC 202) 225-5235, (202) 225-5615 Fax Tallahassee (850) 561-3979
(850) 681-2902 Fax Panama City (850) 785-0812 (850) 763-3764 Fax
S. Kosmos FL DC (202) 225-2706 Fax: (202) 226-6299, Port Orange, FL 32129
Phone: (386) 756-9798 Fax: (386) 756-9903 Orlando, FL 32826
Phone: (407)-208-1106 Fax: (407)-208-1108
Brad Ellsworth IN Evansville (812) 465-6484 fx: (812) 422-4761 Terre Haute (812) 232-0523 fx: (812) 232-0526 DC ph: (202) 225-4636 Toll Free: (866) 567-0227
fx: (202) 225-3284
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (RETIREING, His going away present to the USA, gets a NATO JOB for vote.
Thinks you are harassing him! Rep. John Garamendi’s (CA-10) (202) 225-1880
Fax: (202) 225-5914 Walnut Creek, (925) 932-8899 fax: (925) 932-8159 Antioch (925) 757-7187 Fax: (925) 757-7056 Fairfield, Phone: (707) 438-1822 Fax: (707) 438-0523
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
MOVED TO UNDECIDED
rec’d from NCTeaParty.com — Despite earlier assurances that he was a NO on health care reform and would not change his mind, Rep. Heath Shuler, NC 11, is now undecided.
Rep. Heath Shuler, North Carolina 11th http://shuler.house.gov/ DC Office Number: (202) 225-6401, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6422 Local Office Number: (828) 252-1651, Local Fax Number: (828) 252-8734 Chief of Staff: Hayden Rogers email: hayden.rogers@mail.house.gov
Lincoln Davis 202.225.6831Fax: 202.226.5172 Columbia Office 931.490.8675
Jamestown 931.879.2361 Fax: 931.879.2389 McMinnville, 931.473.7251 Fax: 931.473.7259

INCLINED
Tim Walz MN 202-225-2472 Rochester 507-206-0643 Mankato 507-388-2149 MAYO CLINIC DEAL

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Steve Cohen TN, DC (202) 225-3265 Fax: (202) 225-5663, Memphis, TN, 901) 544-4131 Fax: (901) 544-4329
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE

NEW NO’s
Travis Childers MS On the Net: Travis Childers, http://www.childers.house.govRep. Glenn Nye, Virginia Beach
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928, Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304
Michael A. Arcuri (NY-24)
Harry Teague NM NO
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District

And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.

At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!

1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351

41 posted on 03/21/2010 6:11:40 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)

CNN is now reporting that she has the votes. They will pass the Senate Bill and that will be it, rest assured, until after the election, then all heades will be let loose....On to Cap and Trade and Amnesty....Further ruining USA.

42 posted on 03/21/2010 6:50:25 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)

Don’t insult Margaret Hamilton, She was a good person and a great actress.

43 posted on 03/21/2010 6:51:07 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)

Yes indeed. Perhaps that is the God’s will, that the abominable law be passed only to lead to a Supreme Court test over state’s rights under the 10th amendment.

My cursory review of constitutional law from the perspective of how a tenth amendment defense could be overcome does not yield any clear instrument. But that may only mean I am blind to to expected tactics.

For example, the 14th amendment restricts and imposes on state’s rights, and therefore weakens the 10th amendment but only insofar as due process and equal protection provisions. There is nothing I see in the 14th that overcomes a state’s right ‘to prohibit a mandate to purchase anything’.

Do you have detailed info on what those behind the 10th amendment defense, what they are expecting to be the federal position? They should have a defense ready against the expected federal legal wrangling, but what is to be expected is what I want to know.

Also, do the jurists behind the 10th amendment defense for prohibiting the mandate for purchasing health insurance. do they think the Supreme Court can temporarily stop enactment of ‘Obamacare’ law?

Sorry for all the questions especially on such elaborate issues, but I have unfortunately doubts about your point especially as I search as devil’s advocate to find its weaknesses.

For example, if there is a strong case to oppose the Obamacare mandate, then why in history was this not used to stop the mandate for a medicare tax? The answer to this seems more clear; under the 16th amendment Congress may tax income and describe its purpose for reimbursing medical costs of seniors. Under Medicare THERE IS NO REQUIRED PURCHASE OF ANYTHING.

So a next question is why don’t Obama and dems hike the medicare payroll tax rate and then reimburse costs of medicare for all persons? This would seem to avoid a tenth amendment challenge. The answer is that it is not politically palatable.

So if the tenth amendment jurists that you indirectly rely on are called to action, then we need and pray they can stop this law once passed, to stop its enactment temporarily while the Supreme Court deliberates the tenth amendment defense.

The positive perspective therefore, after having suffered the nauseating process of witnessing this abominable law passed, will be a court victory for the tenth amendment which will spur additional successful suits to render socialism dead in the United States.

But the grave risk is to the Supreme Court. I would expect an attempt on the lives of supreme court juctices because they would stand in the way of this socialist takeover the United States. I pray they have secret service protection.

On the other hand if the socialists attempt to eliminate certain members of the Supreme Court, then this would be clear grounds for revolution. Let’s hope it never gets that far.

44 posted on 03/21/2010 6:58:35 AM PDT by Hostage

Fox radio on hourly commercials

It's not just as bad, it's the same thing. The top of the hour short news headlines come from AP, I've been told, and Shep Smith just reads them, for instance afternoon drive time. They are the most important propaganda tools that the left has, as I'm certain a very large # of Americans get their only news from that source, driving to and from work. They used it to degrade Bush support through '05-'06 by emphasizing Iraq casualty count and other bad news on Iraq. When their weren't "enough" US deaths to report for a given day, they'd give 3 day counts, or total numbers since such and such time. Another ploy is to have the announcer state the "conservative" position, then have some direct player who is staged as a "victim" provide the leftist counterpoint.So, Shep comes on and says, "Republicans say the health care bill costs too much yada yada", then , "but Jo Ann Blow says (go to audio) "I go to bed in fear everynight that I'll lose my house if I get sick." You will hear a direct player on the pro-life side on audio if they can find an old (obviously male ) bishop talking against abortion. It's all leftist theater, and I'm sure it's been honed over the years to the finest propaganda value they can wring out of two minutes.

45 posted on 03/21/2010 7:19:17 AM PDT by gusopol3

1: Obama, Pelosi and Biden et al keep intoning that the Republicans have offered no alternatives. 2: The republicans point out that their alternatived are being ignored by the majority. 4: Obie counters with that little bit of televized street theater masqueraded as a “discussion” and bi partisan. 5: Then he, Pelosi and Biden et al go back to version of 1:.

Now they adopt a rule to...shut the Republicans up and not allow them to present amendments.

46 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:14 AM PDT by cake_crumb (RR on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)

Fox/Saudia News is now as bad as the rest of them.

47 posted on 03/21/2010 7:22:07 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)

How so? IF the Rats pass this today - how does it go back to the Senate?

48 posted on 03/21/2010 7:22:59 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)

There is nothing I see in the 14th that overcomes a state’s right ‘to prohibit a mandate to purchase anything’.

Then you are saying the federal government has the authority to mandate people must buy a product or service and have the authority to punish people for refusing to purchase a good or service. The following article further explains the Unconstitutionality of Federal health care : FreedomWorks to House of Representatives: Individual Mandate Unconstitutional

Do you have detailed info on what those behind the 10th amendment defense, what they are expecting to be the federal position?

I don't have the content for the legislation passed by Idaho and Virginia nor the proposed legislation for the other states.

For example, if there is a strong case to oppose the Obamacare mandate, then why in history was this not used to stop the mandate for a medicare tax?

This is illustrates a point I have been making all along. We have strayed so far from the Constitution that people rationalize one Unconstitutional act sets the precedent for further Unconstitutional acts. That reasoning couldn't be more illegal/Unconstitutional in and of itself.

So a next question is why don’t Obama and dems hike the medicare payroll tax rate and then reimburse costs of medicare for all persons? This would seem to avoid a tenth amendment challenge. The answer is that it is not politically palatable

They are out to obliterate the Constitution by ignoring the Constitution. BO/BS considers the Constitution a document of negative rights. He prefers to run it over than go around the Constitution.

On the other hand if the socialists attempt to eliminate certain members of the Supreme Court, then this would be clear grounds for revolution.

The socialists began the revolution against our Constitutional form of government decades ago. We need to stop the revolution and reverse the socialist trend.

49 posted on 03/21/2010 7:25:46 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)

“While I agree with you regarding the press and the media, wholeheartedly, other than boycott, tell me how to “reform” them, PLEASE!!!!”

They have gained control and power through TV. Changing the channel will not help. Fox is just as bad now.

Every month your cable/sat TV bill is divided up and each network and their other channels (CNN has 5 or so, Viacom/CBS has 8?) and they get about $1 to 3 a month.

The only way is people enmasse cancel Tv service. Sadly it will never happen. The populace is controled through TV and the media. If people have to chose between serfdom and TV - they will gladly accept serfdom.

50 posted on 03/21/2010 7:25:47 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)

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